SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Thu, 23 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 78 In this issue: copy and paste reflux disease Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Re: Enzymes Re: need recipes Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey another Asacol question Re: another Asacol question Re: constipation and SCD Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: constipation and SCD Re: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Baked Quince recipe Re: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: Incidence of colds / flu RE: psyllium Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: colemas Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: copy and paste Message-ID: <971022205314_-124312692@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: aol - cut and paste Message-ID: <971021151907_-790435502@emout07.mail.aol.com> >>>Joan, >>>Try 'copy' and 'paste'. 'Cut' erases the original document, but 'copy' just copies it. >>>Since I have the list 'digested', I download it on a disk, then 'copy' it and paste it on the e-mail. My sister gave me this idea since she can't figure out how to insert messages on someone else's e-mail message either. Simone Simone - i cant cut and paste on aol either. i have been checking this out. i can only do it once and i dont know where the rest of the copy goes. Joan ps there is somewhere you can post a note to aol and someone who knows will email you. if you find out let me know ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: reflux disease Message-ID: <971022223445_-1695722886@emout13.mail.aol.com> Hi everyone I've been on the diet faithfully now since October 1st. Since then however I have had two bad flares of my reflux disease. Has anyone else had this experience. Is it related to the diet?? Are there things I should be avoiding/changing?? thanks Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:50:51 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <971022225050_1789993655@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Dear Lucy, thanks very much for yr reply. I may have miscommunicated one thing. I don't have constipation. I have a "loosely" formed stool, lots of bloating/gas, and infrequent bowel movements (maybe every one and a half to two days). I have been checked and rechecked for parasites and bacteria like h. pylori. All are negative. One the other hand, I've been told there are so many paras. and/or bad bacteria that doctors don't even know how to test for them all so who knows? I may have a critter that's not been identified. I'm willing to try combining, as well as going of the nut bread for a few days to see if I improve. Thanks for your info and help. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <971022225814_1735043130@emout20.mail.aol.com> Dear Pat, Elaine and I have already had a discussion on this, but thank you very much for the suggestion and for replying to my note. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Enzymes Message-ID: <971022230937_981917248@emout19.mail.aol.com> Moira, I have been told by me nutritionist, who supports the scd, that enzymes are important to take if you have a depleted immune and digestive system because one's body is not properly producing the correct levels of enzymes to do the job, at least for the first few months. So I am going to be taking them as soon as they arrive (I order by mail). Secondly, I've not had constipation on the scd so I can't answer except to say that I've been told others have had it on the scd. I'm not sure what's "legal" to take for it tho'. Lastly, I've also been told the scd will take care of candida but I think it depends on how severe the case is. I've had very severe Candidiasis and am taking anti-fungals (Rx), and following the diet. I was eating the allowed honey but have since stopped except for use in making nut bread because, as many anti-candida books say, honey just feeds yeast. I just decided to maximize my time on anti-fungals while following the diet in other respects. We'll see.....Maybe if one was prepared to treat the yeast over many months (like 6-8), instead of 3 or 4 months, just using the diet wd work fine. My nutritionist says you can take pau d'arco and grapefruit seed extract instead of Rx meds if you want to treat it "naturally". Good luck. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:24:02 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: need recipes Message-ID: <971022232217_1994032965@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hi Tina, I can't eat tomatoes so I haven't made the lasagna or used tomatoes in my spagetti squash but, as for the squash....I usually just cook it in the oven after seeding it, and putting it in a baking dish filled with a bit of water, and season with s & p, maybe add dried herbs, sometimes a little olive oil. Then, when baked, I add addi'l seasoning or oils if I want. I use it more as a baked potato substitute. Sometimes for breakfast I'll have spag. squash and a soft-boiled egg all mixed up. It really tastes good if you're the kind who used to love toast broken up in yr eggs! Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:48:58 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <19971023041722.AAA7026@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: painsolv@smartt.com > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU; scd-list@longisland.com > Subject: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 4:45 PM Dear All, Late on this colds and flu discussion , but I think it involves a lot of variables such as a persons age example a person that is 7 is much more apt to catch colds and flu than a person who is 45 as once you catch one strain you develop an immunity to that particular strain. Teachers are a prime example of this when they start out there careers they are much more apt to catch things but by the time they are in there 50's they have pretty much been exposed to most every thing out there. I myself avoided the flu last year and the rest of my family had it , but I did have a flu shot. This fall on the other hand I have had two colds. Both after getting my flu shot. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:27:27 -0400 From: aculverh@engin.umich.edu (Annie Culverhouse) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Message-ID: <v0211010ab0750f30f3a3@[141.213.25.73]> Post Hi,I'm new to the list and received a few messages already. LIZ: Was wondering what the name of the enzymes were that you ordered and where can you order them? I've had UC since May96 and started the diet in June 97 after several attempts to get off Prednisone. If finally worked after 10 months I was free of steroids. The diet sure did help! My symptoms reduced by 80% after a few days of being on the diet. Does anyone have recommendations for making the Lois Lang bread taste good. I've attempted the recipe several times adding cinnamon or herbs...I can't get it to taste good. Thanks for your help! --Annie Annie Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 273 Chrysler Center Ann Arbor MI 48109-2092 ph: 313/647-7187 fax: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: another Asacol question Message-ID: <971023103827_1268239768@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Hi, Do any of you who have been taking Asacol experience any skin problems (ie. acne), or unusual diarrhea (even though following the basic diet as closely as possible- no fruit or other vegetables)? It's been 3 weeks that I have been taking Asacol -6 a day. Thanks, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:24:20 -0400 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: another Asacol question Message-ID: <85256539.0059FC23.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> Hi Simone, I had a similar problem with the big D when I was on asacol. The reason for the D was because Asacol has lactose in it and I am lactose intolerant, are you? My doctor switched me to Pentasa as a result. Good Luck!!! Lynn PI5DA @ aol.com Thursday October 23, 1997 10:38 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list @ longisland.com cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) Subject: another Asacol question -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Do any of you who have been taking Asacol experience any skin problems (ie. acne), or unusual diarrhea (even though following the basic diet as closely as possible- no fruit or other vegetables)? It's been 3 weeks that I have been taking Asacol -6 a day. Thanks, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 11:34:17 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: constipation and SCD Message-ID: <9710231634.AA17330@swansong.amd.com> one very common problem with the the low carb zone diet is constipation, which is similar to SCD in that respect, it's attributed to excess levels of arachidonic acid being released by fat cells. dr. sears recommends fish oil, i personally took 10 1000mg daily to fix my constipation. the EPA in the fish oil competes for the same enzyme that AA needs to make class 2 eicosanoids. in "protein power" the dr's eades recommend fish oil in increasing quantities until the stool floats. i was able to reduce the 10 to 2 daily, which i take instead of eating salmon. since i eat the same meal for breakfast lunch and afternoon snack i have been able to determine that AA in eggs and red meat really constipates still. you can read about AA and such in laymans terms at http:/www.zonehome.com/zlibstar.htm in thse two articles, Gamma-Linolenic Supplementation and Arachidonophobia Part I, The Case for Higer Levels of DGLA Michael G. Kurilla, May 9, 1996 Gamma-Linolenic Supplementation and Arachidonophobia Part II, Mechanics of GLA Supplementation Michael G. Kurilla, May 10, 1996 by the way, dr sears recommends vitamin E with fish oil. fish oil may solve your contstipation problem too. ----- Begin Included Message ----- Dear Lucy, thanks very much for yr reply. I may have miscommunicated one thing. I don't have constipation. I have a "loosely" formed stool, lots of bloating/gas, and infrequent bowel movements (maybe every one and a half to two days). I have been checked and rechecked for parasites and bacteria like h. pylori. All are negative. One the other hand, I've been told there are so many paras. and/or bad bacteria that doctors don't even know how to test for them all so who knows? I may have a critter that's not been identified. I'm willing to try combining, as well as going of the nut bread for a few days to see if I improve. Thanks for your info and help. Liz ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:54:53 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Another Survey Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D86@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I found the informal survey we did on colds and flu so interesting, I hoped you all would not mind another informal survey... I am very interested to know how many you have dental mercury amlagams? How many have the newer copper amalgams? How many have had root canals? How many have had amalagams but have had them removed? Thanks very much for your reply. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:01:53 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <199710231926.MAA19832@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Pat, I have two mercury fillings and one root canal. The two fillings done once in the 70's. Root canal done in 1989. Barb Mills Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: constipation and SCD Message-ID: <971023143248_1994092563@emout08.mail.aol.com> Ted, Thanks very much for your info. I will try the fish oils. Cheers, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:42:23 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <19971023191052.AAA27452@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Another Survey > Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 1:54 PM Dear Pat, I have at least ten huge fillings , you are right on that there is much very interesting information coming to light about these. For instance they are banned from being used in Germany. Also free removal is guaranteed over there. It is very important not to have them taken out by just anyone there is a very detailed careful procedure that must be followed or you can get much sicker. The United States American Dental association is fighting all this new data big time. John Hopkins did a study on 100 Sclermadema ( I know I killed that spelling ) patients and all 100 showed toxic levels of mercury in there systems. It is on my list of things to do to improve my health. I am not saying these make all people ill but those with weak immune systems are particularly vulnerable to problems from amalgams. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <v01550100b0750b6baf81@[206.40.74.60]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Root canal, about 6 1/2 yrs. ago, upon returning from 3 years in India. Acute gingivitis diagnosed. Prateeksha >I found the informal survey we did on colds and flu so interesting, I >hoped you all would not mind another informal survey... > >I am very interested to know how many you have dental mercury amlagams? > >How many have the newer copper amalgams? > >How many have had root canals? > >How many have had amalagams but have had them removed? > > >Thanks very much for your reply. > >Pat ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Baked Quince recipe Message-ID: <v01550101b0750c2edd3d@[206.40.74.48]> Cut this out of the newdspaper this morning...attracted to it because one quince cooked with honey has 31 g. of carbo! Haven't tried it yet, but plan to look for quince in the store soon. I am not familiar with this fruit but it is in season now in Northern California. Essentials of Quince Cokkery: avail mid-august thru nov, peaking in oct. Buying. look for pale golden-yellow fruit, sometimes tinged with green. Even when ripe, they'll be hard, but fdon't squeeze them, because they bruise easily. Storage. up to two weeks in fridge in plastic or paper bAg. Preparation. Wipe any fuzz briskly from quince with paper or cloth towel, or under running water with a scrub brush. If the recipe calls for skin to be removed, peel with a veggie peeler. With a very sharp knife, carefully halve and then quarter the quince. Do this slowly and deliberately, as the flesh is extremely hard; even experts say it's easy to cut yourself. Finally, still slowly and carefully, remove the core from the quince quarters. Now, they're ready to cook. BAKED QUINCE Serve warm alone or topped with our "jam", french creme, or with one of our cookie recipes. INGREDIENTS: 4 Med-size quinces 4 Tablespoons water 2 Tablespoons fresh lime juice 1/3 cup honey INSTRUCTIONS: Preheat oven to 350 degrees Peel, quarter, and core the quinces. Place flat-side down in a glass baking dish; add the water and lime juice. Sprinkle with the honey. Cover with aluminum foil and bake for 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 hours. Quinces are done when the flesh is very tender (a butter knife will easily cut it) and they have turned a rosy color. Serve warm, drizzled with the syrup from the baking dish. Serves 4. PER SERVING: 120 CALORIES, 0 G PROTEIN, 31 G CARBOHYDRATE, 0 G FAT (0 G. SATURATED), 0 MG. CHOLESTEROL, 4 MG SODIUM, 1 G FIBER. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <971023173647_340226471@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Pat, I have several old amalgam fillings and one root canal. Think I know where your headed! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:57:34 +0200 From: Odd Oivind Bergstad <oddb@stovner.vgs.no> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971023215734.00692ac4@vgs.sn.no> Some norwegian doc's I know have cured CD in some patients simply by remove amalgame (mercury) fillings. But this is only a very small subset of= patients. Odd =D8ivind ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <971023173630_1369124775@emout09.mail.aol.com> Pat, I have several old amalgam fillings and one root canal. Think I know where your headed! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:57:57 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <88256539.0078731D.00@baxworld.com> Interesting survey. I have approximately 8 mercury amalgam fillings that I am very actively pursuing having replaced. My doctor had a lot of blood work done and I have a very high amount of mercury in my system. Just a side note, which may or may not have anything to do with the amalgams, but besides my intestinal problems, I have Fibromyalgia. Linda psullivan@saleslogix.com on 10/23/97 10:54:53 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Another Survey -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- I found the informal survey we did on colds and flu so interesting, I hoped you all would not mind another informal survey... I am very interested to know how many you have dental mercury amlagams? How many have the newer copper amalgams? How many have had root canals? How many have had amalagams but have had them removed? Thanks very much for your reply. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 16:10:43 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <9710232210.AA189350@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi, Please forgive the late response, as I have been working 10-13 hour days and have a week's worth of SCD reading to catch up on. I have noticed that I don't seem to get many colds/flus every year. However I usually attributed it to taking more vitamin "C" than the norm. When I do get a cold, it only seems to last a 3-4 days. Now, throat infections are much harder to overcome (3 this year). These knock me out for up to a week. Anyone else ? Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 16:15:29 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: psyllium Message-ID: <9710232215.AA141780@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Pat, > I have found the over the counter product called Equalactin to work very > well for me (It is primarily microcrystalline cellulose.) .... I'm surprised no one else caught this ! Microcrystalline *cellulose* implies a complex sugar, and therefore not permitted on the SCD. Although some of still require Pentasa for CD which has cellulose in it. And others use Asacol for UC which has lactose in it. Like it says in the book, sometimes you just don't have a choice. Nonetheless, the choice is always yours. Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 16:37:48 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <9710232237.AA104910@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jeff, > thanks so much for your quick, clear and specific feedback. I greatly > appreciate it. I'm encouraged by your comments/experience. I'm also very > glad that YOU are doing so well w/ the SCD. If you don't mind, tell me, > what DID YOU EAT those first few months?! Sorry for the long delay. The beginning... - home-made chicken soup (from book) for lunch (+L) and supper (+S) - I always include some DCCC just before microwaving it ( I found this the best way to be able to eat it ) - cheesecake for breakfast (+B) +L +S - hamburger patty with mustard +B +L (sometimes +S) - sometimes canned tuna/salmon for +B or +L - chicken, turkey, or fish +S - yogurt and grape-gelatin (jello) for mid-morning, mid-afternoon snacks - later also include as nighttime snack - I tried eggs and cheese, but found they caused problems. Although I have used eggs and honey in the cheesecake since day one. Introduced later... - cookies and muffins after 1.5 - 2 months - cooked spaghetti squash, zuchinni after 2 months - ripe bananas after 2.5 - 3 months - cheese after 2.5 - 3 months - eggs after 3 - 3.5 months Currently... (same as the beginning except I now have) - the soup at +L only - the cheesecake at +L or +S, - +B (and often +L) is a hamburger patty, 2 soft eggs, 2 slices cheddar cheese - muffins are now made with bananas - yogurt now includes honey with a banana mixes together - occacionally eat cooked apples The muffins, cookies, grape-gelatin, and yogurt mixture I have 3 times a day for my snacks (in between meals). So I guess you can call this food combining since I keep the fruit stuff together. This works well for me. I still have not gotten around to making the nut bread, as I believe in introducing only one new food at a time. I then judge how my body reacts to it. This way of eating seems bland and boring, however it is working for me. And besides to me it's just food, no need to get fancy. Hope that helps. Keep with it, "little steps allow you to climb the mountain". Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:14:50 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023161450.006b53b0@smartt.com> Well, I guess the lesson you can draw from THAT is ... DON'T get a flu shot? Let your body's systems take care of it, as it's done for millions of years? Dietmar ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I myself avoided the flu last year and the rest of my family had it , but >I did have a flu shot. This fall on the other hand I have had two colds. >Both after getting my flu shot. > Take Care, > Kay > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:31:28 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: colemas Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023163128.006b7c8c@smartt.com> I'm having trouble understanding what "colemas" are ... it's not a word I'm familiar with, so I presumed it was a melding of the words "colonic" (as in the British "high colonic" meaning "enema") plus the word "enema". It appears I'm wrong in that assumption; please feel free to explain what a colema is. Thanks. Dietmar ~~~~~~~~~` At 05:38 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Dietmar - > >you will have to re-ask your question because it is not clear to me. what do >you mean what are colemas made of? (and no, i do not like comparing them to >colonics or enemas. they are 500% more effective). > >Joan > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:40:22 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023164022.006baf50@smartt.com> At 10:58 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Pat, Elaine and I have already had a discussion on this, but thank >you very much for the suggestion and for replying to my note. Liz > > Dear List-Members: When you have a PERSONAL message to send, one that really has NOTHING to do with anyone except one specific person you want to e-mail (such as the sample above), could you PLEASE do a "copy & paste" (if you prefer to use the keyboard instead of the mouse for that, do a CTRL+C for copy, then a CTRL+V for paste) and e-mail DIRECTLY to the person you're talking with? Instead of (a) using the <longisland.com> server & wasting their generously-donated facilities/time, and (b) wasting the list-members' time & energy reading your private e-mail. Thanks. ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #78 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 24 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 79 In this issue: Why? Re: Another Survey Re: personal messages Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: Another Survey survey Blueberry Lemon Muffins Survey and queries RE: psyllium Re: Why? Re: overactive immune system Preliminary results of amlgam survey. Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey yogurt AOL Re: personal messages Re: Why? Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: Survey and queries Re: AOL Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: Why? Re: Another Survey Re: Preliminary results of amlgam survey. Re: Why? Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins 25 lbs of almond flour Re: Why? RE: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey (conversation is getting ugly) Re: 25 lbs of almond flour Re: 25 lbs of almond flour Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Smoking and UC Re: Smoking and UC -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: KevandDee@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Why? Message-ID: <971023201155_1135279237@emout02.mail.aol.com> All: Does anyone know why this diet works for so many people, but not for everyone? Even Elaine said in her book, and her post the other day, that if you have severe UC, and have tried the diet for one month with no improvement, then it probably will not work for you. I'm very discouraged...have been on the diet for 23 days, and my bleeding, pain, gas, constipation/diarrhea, are all worse! I eat fish, some chicken (white, boneless, skinless), no nut bread (can't tolerate it), some homemade yogurt (didn't really seem to set well with me), cooked veggies, peanut butter (natural), eggs (every now and then), only acceptable cheeses (shredded), drink water and fruit juice (unsweetened). I'm baffled, and I am getting scoped again November 13 if the bleeding hasn't stopped. Bummer. I'm on 40 mg. prednisone per day, and switched from Azulfadine to 6 Asacol per day in approximately February 1997. I do not believe the minute amount of lactose in the Asacol is the problem, as I was never this "bad" before. The only other different thing is that I've added fish and chicken to my diet; I was a vegetarian for six years but felt the need to get some protein incorporated into my diet. But again, somehow I just don't feel the meat is the problem. I guess I'm going to look into food combining next. If you've gotten this far, thanks for listening! Any suggestions are truly welcome. Deanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:23:48 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <19971024005226.AAA3904@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: Linda > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Another Survey > Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 5:57 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Linda, I also have Fibromyalgia. Fun isn't it. Take Care , Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 18:54:05 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <9710240054.AA185338@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi group, Without any intent to offend anyone... I agree with Dietmar that a lot of the messages are more personal to one person only, and these should be taken "offline" (mailed to them directly). Some people go back and forth when the original message for the group may have already been answered, and the conversation has gone off on a tangent. Another pet peeve I have are the *excessive* use of replies. If you are responding to a message which was just posted, don't bother using reply because you want everyone to know what you are referring to. If they just got a message from "Joe", and you comment on what they "Joe" said, people on this list are smart enough to know what message you are talking about. Keep in mind that the subject line (RE: blah, blah) pretty much tells you what the topic of your response is. If you are responding to a specific point made by someone, only include one or two lines as necessary. We will get the point of your response. If a few days have passed, then yes it could be appropriate to include more of the original message. It's ok to hit the reply button, but please remove the un-necessary lines. I get the digest version of the SCD list. Sometimes one day can have up to 2000 lines. I forward them to myself and strip out the useless reply lines. This new message I received is often 25-50% smaller in length. I am not upset at anyone, this has just been annoying for a vey long time. I hope newer computer users will learn the accepted protocol. Usually you include the couple of lines of the original message preceded with "> " and then your message. For example... ---- example 1 Hi Joe, > I discovered a great recipe last night What was it ? Paul ---- OR ---- example 2 Hi Joe, What great recipe was that ? Paul ---- Notice how example 2 never needed the original message :) My 2 cents. Sorry, if this sounds petty to some. Perhaps I've just been working too hard (long hours) and I am a bit cranky. Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:28:33 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <19971024005706.AAA7142@a-zcusto> Dear Dietmar, But last year it prevented me from getting a very nasty flu. So I think it is a toss up. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 18:57:55 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <9710240057.AA107768@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:54:53 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> Hi Pat, I have many mercury fillings :( I had one changed for a plastic-type filling (you never mentioned plastic). It looks white and you can't tell it's a filling (looks nice). Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:04:52 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: survey Message-ID: <19971023.180457.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> Hi Pat, Three of my fangs have amalgam fillings. I've heard that fluoride should be avoided by IBD people. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:55:34 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <199710232255_MC2-24F3-DCAA@compuserve.com> Ellen, I bought some blueberries at Whole Foods last night(dried) and made your muffins. They were great. However, I did notice that the blueberries ha= ve sucrose which isn't allowed on the SCD diet. Correct me if I am wrong. I= did it this time but did not know if I should have. Maybe your Whole Foo= ds store is different than ours. Great recipe. Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:31 -0400 From: "Alice Van Tol" <vantolab@intrepid.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Survey and queries Message-ID: <199710240308.XAA23487@intrepid.net> A new Crohn's diagnosee - one month now. But this was after two months of diarrhea, a colonoscopy, thus the diagnosis. I've read the SCD list with enormous interest, because I've had no pain, never did, but have been on Asacol (six daily) for one month and cut out all dairy products and chocolate. Using ghee (clarified butter) now and also have no gluten problems, have been eating collard greens, kale, broccoli, beans and eggs and wheat products, honey, popcorn rice cakes, grits and even dared a zucchini muffin recipe that used brown sugar! Now I learn Asacol had lactose! From this I am beginning to believe that I don't have Crohn's, despite my doctor's diagnosis (his reputation is super-stellar) which was UC but after tests he called to say it was Crohns. Before I confront him with this on Nov.4, I would like to hear from some of you about the following: 1. How many of you with UC and CD have had periodontal problems and how severe? I have recently read somewhere about gum disease and colon problems. 2. How many of you have cats, dogs, birds or other animals? There is a reason for this question: Two weeks after obtaining a puppy in July, the diarrhea started - pup had been diagnosed first with coccidia (a parasite) and immediately after, with giardia (usually from a bad water source). Vet thought I had giardia from pup. Stool tested, no parasites, colonoscopy then ordered. This is just so coincidental because I have never had this problem and am not experiencing the problems I reas about on this list. I WAS diagnosed in January with diabetes, went on a diet and lost 40 pounds and blood sugar has never been over 119 since. The diet for diabetes and the SCD or CD diets are at dagger points with each other. I do not connect my weight loss with Crohns, because I strenuously dieted, to LOSE THIS WEIGHT, cutting out all meats except chicken and salmon, no butter, cheese or animal fats, and it wasn't easy., but lived on good salads, crudities, all veggies, peanut butter and popcorn rice cakes. The mention of parasites in the SCD list today caused me to finally write. I have the book and am ready and willing to use the SCD diet at any moment. Finally, since the medical world has discovered what causes stomach ulcers, why hasn't this discovery been related to colon problems? I think all SCd people have made this connection, but has the medical world? Sorry for the length, will not write this much again, but will so appreciate replies. We have to find answers about cause and cure and I am researching like mad. Alice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:21:01 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: psyllium Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D92@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Dan, thx for pointing this out. I thought though that cellulose is the undigestible part of vegetables etc. and is simply a fiber/bulking agent, not a sugar as the "lose" would certainly imply. Anyway, I only used it for about 10 days and it got my D under control and then was able to quit and use psyllium as I usually do. Psyllium though did not work for me when I was having bad D, it only seemed to make things work better once I got the D under control. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Woods [SMTP:dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 3:15 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: psyllium > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Pat, > > > I have found the over the counter product called Equalactin to work > very > > well for me (It is primarily microcrystalline cellulose.) .... > > I'm surprised no one else caught this ! > > Microcrystalline *cellulose* implies a complex sugar, and therefore > not > permitted on the SCD. > > Although some of still require Pentasa for CD which has cellulose in > it. > And others use Asacol for UC which has lactose in it. Like it says in > the book, sometimes you just don't have a choice. > > Nonetheless, the choice is always yours. > > Thanks... Dan. > > *************************************************************** > * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * > * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * > *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:17:06 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <19971023.201730.10454.2.rosset@juno.com> Dear Deanna, I'm sorry to hear you haven't been responding to the diet. I noticed peanut butter on the list of foods you are eating. I have found that it can cause bloating, etc. Personally, I would avoid it during the beginning stages. I've been on the diet for 4 years, and there are 2 foods that I have to be very careful with: peanut butter and beans. For the most part I avoid them. Lucy PS. The other thing I would go easy on is fruit juices. Are you buying commercial juices? You might reread what Elaine says about them in the book. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:45:35 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: overactive immune system Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023204535.006b4454@smartt.com> At 08:12 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >isnt an overactive immune system tied in with AUTOIMMUNE problems? in other >words, arent you wide open for autoimmune diseases? > > > Only if there is an outside (i.e. coming from outside the body) factor (such as a bacteria, or, more specifically, a protein segment of a bacteria's coat or DNA or whatever) that enters the body, is an irritant to the body so that the body cranks up its defense systems, and if this "alarm trigger" is SIMILAR to some body component so that the body attacks not only the "outside insult" but also its (deceptively similar) own parts. So just because your immune system is "hyper" active (maybe some folks are simply "tuned to be more high-powered"?) doesn't mean it'll start attacking its own tissues. Things are not always so simple in biological systems ... one wishes they WERE as simple as pie, but if that were the case we'd all be healthy as heck by now! Dietmar > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:53:21 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Preliminary results of amlgam survey. Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D94@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Would be nice if we could get some more replies but so far 9 out of 9 replied that they have mercury amalgam fillings and several have additional root canals. I have just finished reading a book called "It's All in Your Head" by Dr. Hal Huggins. It is very intriguing and quite convincing that mercury is not something we should have in our mouths or body. In fact, overwhelmingly convincing. This Dentist has been at the forefront of studying the affects of Mercury Amalgams on the entire body including the GI tract. And he has paid a dear price for it from other dentists and the ADA. Why are these associations so closed minded? Money, inertia and the fear of being shown that they are wrong it seems. Very similar to the typical response Elaine gets from the various GI associations. Interestingly, he also gets into Blood Chemisty tests and shows what happens to peoples Blood chemistry when they have their amalgams removed using the correct extraction protocal that he has painstaking learned through trial and error over the past 25+ years. I have never learned so much useful info from any other book I have ever read. He also recommends to his mercury toxic patients a diet that is amazingly close to SCD. I can highly recommend this book as being both an interesting read and extremely informative. It can be gotten through Amazon.com or his own web site hugnet.com. You decide whether or not this could be a significant issue for you and for other people trying to recover from lots of different things, especially auto-immune kind of diseases. Enjoy! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:53:05 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023205305.006adea0@smartt.com> At 08:28 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Dietmar, > But last year it prevented me from getting a very nasty >flu. So I think it is a toss up. > Take Care, > Kay > OK, so that's your conclusion. That was the point of the survey: to find the facts. Hoever, if we leave out all the people who have a stake in pushing flu shots (i.e. the doctors & companies & bureaucracies in the medical-industrial complex who make money off having you say "yes"), there appears to be a concensus amongst medically-trained people, (and even among fully "orthodox" physicians OUTSIDE Canada & the US) that flu shots in fact WEAKEN your body's defense systems & that taking them develops a life-long reliance on them by the body. Isn't that what all drug companies & paid practitioners want? The ideal "drug" is one that keeps the patient hooked all their life! If you have contacts in medical circles in Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, or other continental European countries, you might be surprised to discover that they don't buy into this American-style "flu shot" or "give 'em a shot for every illness coming down the pike" method of medicinal "care". But, hey, it's your body. And, sure, if it seems to work great, people always love that kind of "pill" ... when prednisone or the polio vaccines first came out, they too were the greaest thing since sliced bread; the real story of how they fucked up the body only trundled along a few decades later. Oh, well ... ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:03:34 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurt Message-ID: <971024000303_-1024805318@emout10.mail.aol.com> hi Lucy - thanx for your advice. made another batch today and i ended up with 2 quarts! making it with 1/2 and 1/2 is simply out of this world Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: AOL Message-ID: <971024000420_-1762570438@emout12.mail.aol.com> the reason i am on aol is because 3/4 of my family around the country is. you cannot go into chat rooms on any other system. you cannot keep in closer contact short of the person being in the same room. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:38:04 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <19971024040646.AAA13309@a-zcusto> Dear Dan and All, You can still hit the reply key but then delete the previous message so that things don't get so repetitive. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:42:01 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <01bce02e$ca09f960$LocalHost@default> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 6:17 PM Subject: Why? > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >All: > >Does anyone know why this diet works for so many people, but not for >everyone? Even Elaine said in her book, and her post the other day, that if >you have severe UC, and have tried the diet for one month with no >improvement, then it probably will not work for you. I'm very >discouraged...have been on the diet for 23 days, and my bleeding, pain, gas, >constipation/diarrhea, are all worse! I eat fish, some chicken (white, >boneless, skinless), no nut bread (can't tolerate it), some homemade yogurt >(didn't really seem to set well with me), cooked veggies, peanut butter >(natural), eggs (every now and then), only acceptable cheeses (shredded), >drink water and fruit juice (unsweetened). I'm baffled, and I am getting >scoped again November 13 if the bleeding hasn't stopped. Bummer. > >I'm on 40 mg. prednisone per day, and switched from Azulfadine to 6 Asacol >per day in approximately February 1997. I do not believe the minute amount >of lactose in the Asacol is the problem, as I was never this "bad" before. > The only other different thing is that I've added fish and chicken to my >diet; I was a vegetarian for six years but felt the need to get some protein >incorporated into my diet. But again, somehow I just don't feel the meat is >the problem. I guess I'm going to look into food combining next. > >If you've gotten this far, thanks for listening! Any suggestions are truly >welcome. > >Deanna Hi Deanna : How can you be sure there is no sugar in either the peanut butter or the juices if you did not make them yourself? DO NOT TRUST LABELS EVER untill you are in some state of remission. To trust a label at the beginning of the diet is extremely dangerous. Hope you can find the answers to better health. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:06:21 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <19971024043459.AAA15667@a-zcusto> Dietmar, Your answer is offensive and in very poor taste. Does using words like that help get your point across . I think not. I will go back to being a lurker. I only stated that for me personally I did not get a flu that put five people in my family in bed for two weeks. That is a fact. I am not advocating the flu shot for all. I weigh the decision carefully every year. I have Behcets which compromises my immune system in many more areas than UC or CD does. You are guilty of the same thing many doctor's are in my opinion, your way or no way. Obviously I am open to many things like the Scd, it has fixed my colon 99.9 percent . I just celebrated one year on the diet. Now I continue to look for things that can help my other symptoms. Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:47:01 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey and queries Message-ID: <19971023.214711.10454.3.rosset@juno.com> >Finally, since the medical world has discovered what causes stomach >ulcers, >why hasn't this discovery been related to colon problems? I think all >SCd >people have made this connection, but has the medical world? It boils down to if a bacteria is causing stomach inflammation and ulcers, why should it be such a leap of faith to think that a bacteria could be doing the same thing in the intestines? Possibly what the SCD does is keep the bad bacteria under control, which would expain why so many people end up right where they started if they go back to eating the way they used to. Hopefully someone is working on finding the bacteria that might be causing IBD. A 2 week course of an antibiotic would be a wonderful way to go! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:43:25 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: AOL Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023214325.006b96f0@smartt.com> At 12:05 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >the reason i am on aol is because 3/4 of my family around the country is. you >cannot go into chat rooms on any other system. you cannot keep in closer >contact short of the person being in the same room. > >Joan OK, Joan, that makes sense ... ALTHOUGH: Yahoo has chat rooms that are accessible to anyone. But I can see your point ... I wish you continued happy internetting! Sorry if I got a bit harsh in venting my spleen about AOL, I just have little patience for mega-corps that suck when there are so many other excellent & cheaper companies around (I don't know how IBM.net compares to your AOL service, but that who I would go with if I had to choose a mega-corp for "being everywhere" reasons). Bye, Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:23:56 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971023222356.006ba6e0@smartt.com> At 12:06 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dietmar, > Your answer is offensive and in very poor taste. Does >using words like that help get your point across . Huh? Did I miss something? I have no idea what you're talking about! >I think not. I will go >back to being a lurker. If you mean the word "lurking" ... well, I wasn't using it in a derogatory sense ... excuse me if you feel insulted & personally mean by that word (I don't consider you a "lurker", you participate plenty); and in the sense that I think of "lurking on the Net" to me it merely means someone who doesn't say much but is merelyhappy to read the messages passing by their screen. If your understanding of "lurk" in a net-sense is different, maybe we should ask someone who can tell us what the "real" meaning is here? (I'm presuimg THAT is why you're upset???? I'm actually quite clueless what the upset is about). >I only stated that for me personally I did not get >a flu that put five people in my family in bed for two weeks. Oh, you're talking about the flu shot discussion! >That is a >fact. I am not advocating the flu shot for all. I weigh the decision >carefully every year. I have Behcets which compromises my immune system in >many more areas than UC or CD does. > You are guilty of the same thing many doctor's are in my opinion, your way >or no way. Yep; except I'm not ... I said (if I remember correctly) something to the effect that the N. American way of giving shots (e.g. flu shots) for every damn thing that comes down the pike is NOT the be-all-and-end-all of how medicine is practiced, so to take it with a grain of salt & not to think there aren't other ways of doing things, but in the end YOU have to decide. ust trying to open the vistas, since N. Americans have a very narrow, "we're the centre of the world" focus and aren't aware that the world does things differently outside our hallowed, sheltered boundaries. Pardon me for telling you about the world "out there". > Obviously I am open to many things like the Scd, it has fixed my >colon 99.9 percent . I just celebrated one year on the diet. Now I continue >to look for things that can help my other symptoms. Well, that's the whole point of being involved with this list-server, right? We're all trying to figure out solutions, yes? So let me repeat: I don't really know WHAT I said that upset you so much, but it wasn't meant to cause you such grief as you seem to feel. See you around, Dietmar > Kay > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: KevandDee@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <971024054710_-1057685752@emout02.mail.aol.com> William: First of all, thank you for your input. I guess I do not know for sure about the sugar content, although the peanut butter is pretty obvious due to the difference in taste and texture from "regular" peanut butter, and the fact I buy it at a health food store specializing in a lot of no sugar type stuff makes me pretty confident it is acceptable. As for the fruit juice, the two I've been drinking are Dole, unsweetened pineapple juice, and orange juice (although I've pretty much cut out OJ...hurts almost immediately after drinking). I think I'll follow up with the makers on the sugar content as Elaine suggests. But, I still don't understand why I am worse. You think all the stuff I have cut out would be helping, at least somewhat. Sorry if I sound so negative--working on my attitude! :) Deanna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:39:55 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <l03010d02b076555994b7@[206.112.46.21]> Dear Linda & Kay, With my UC under control, my fibrmyalgia has become my main health issue. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 08:27:43 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Preliminary results of amlgam survey. Message-ID: <199710241526.IAA04488@pnn.com> I have many mercury fillings and 2 root canals. So that makes it 10 of 10. Haven't looked into having the fillings removed. Tom On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:53:21 -0700, Pat Sullivan wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Would be nice if we could get some more replies but so far 9 out of 9 >replied that they have mercury amalgam fillings and several have >additional root canals. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:41:40 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <9710241541.AA17533@swansong.amd.com> watch out for health food stores, Whole Foods told me that all their beef was range fed, when i asked why the beef fat didn't have a yellowish tint (white fat means corn fed) the butcher quickly responded that it wasn't all range fed, and then he said it was only free of anti-biotics and hormones. in another instance their bulk protein powder was (is still) labeled as two tablespoons equals 25g of protein, i bought an accurate scale and measured two level tablespoons at about 18 g, no way it there could be 25g of protein in 18 g of protein powder, it took three heaping tablespoons to get 25g of protein in 28g of powder. the store manager weighed this out for himself and agreed that the bin label was wrong. the profiteers dont care ,they change their image to suit the business environment. ted ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:03:41 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <19971024163229.AAA2694@a-zcusto> Dietmar , Here is what you wrote since your memory is so short. As I point out to my children people that feel the need to resort to four letter words such as the one you chose are merely showing a lack of intelligence and class. As to your polio reference my uncle suffers with this, I am rather glad my generation missed having to deal with polio. Kay ---------- > From: painsolv@smartt.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey > Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 11:53 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 08:28 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Dietmar, > > But last year it prevented me from getting a very nasty > >flu. So I think it is a toss up. > > Take Care, > > Kay > > > > OK, so that's your conclusion. That was the point of the survey: to find > the facts. > > Hoever, if we leave out all the people who have a stake in pushing flu > shots (i.e. the doctors & companies & bureaucracies in the > medical-industrial complex who make money off having you say "yes"), there > appears to be a concensus amongst medically-trained people, (and even among > fully "orthodox" physicians OUTSIDE Canada & the US) that flu shots in fact > WEAKEN your body's defense systems & that taking them develops a life-long > reliance on them by the body. > > Isn't that what all drug companies & paid practitioners want? The ideal > "drug" is one that keeps the patient hooked all their life! > > If you have contacts in medical circles in Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, or > other continental European countries, you might be surprised to discover > that they don't buy into this American-style "flu shot" or "give 'em a shot > for every illness coming down the pike" method of medicinal "care". But, > hey, it's your body. And, sure, if it seems to work great, people always > love that kind of "pill" ... when prednisone or the polio vaccines first > came out, they too were the greaest thing since sliced bread; the real > story of how they fucked up the body only trundled along a few decades later. > > Oh, well ... > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:45:21 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <8825653A.005BF9B7.00@baxworld.com> Ellen or Laurie, I must have missed the Blueberry Lemon Muffins. Can you send me the recipe? Thanks Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 12:07:58 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> > Here is what you wrote since your memory is so short. > As I point out to my children people that feel the need to resort to four > letter words such as the one you chose are merely showing a lack of > intelligence and class. Inflammatory language and intent to harm is not limited to four letter words. Can we not strive to be kind and give one another slack? Most everyone on this list is suffering from a disease that can make us short-tempered and not always say the right thing. I would urge that we all try to let such things go by, or at least not escalate bad feelings. We're here to help each other. Kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:41:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <199710241741.MAA24506@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> The dried blueberries I got from the Whole Food in Dallas contains blueberries, oil and cranberry juice. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Thu Oct 23 21:59 CDT 1997 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:55:34 -0400 > From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> > Subject: Blueberry Lemon Muffins > Sender: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> > To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > Content-Length: 520 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ellen, > > I bought some blueberries at Whole Foods last night(dried) and made your > muffins. They were great. However, I did notice that the blueberries have > sucrose which isn't allowed on the SCD diet. Correct me if I am wrong. I > did it this time but did not know if I should have. Maybe your Whole Foods > store is different than ours. Great recipe. > > Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:56:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com, SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Subject: 25 lbs of almond flour Message-ID: <199710241756.MAA24747@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, I've just received my first 25-lb shipment of almond flour and am wondering how to store it. I want to put it in the freezer. I can fit in the whole box as is, but wonder how easy it would be to scoop out 3 cups at a time for a recipe if it's been frozen. I could put it in individual plastic bags, but don't want to really do that if I can easily scoop out the frozen stuff. What have others done? Thanks so much, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:14:30 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <01bce0a8$ac48a1e0$263b36ce@backpack> Deanna, I've been on the diet almost 3 months and just recently determined that I was intolerant of nut flour. As for unsweetened juices, I can only drink unsweetened pineapple juice, but only about one glass full a day. I can't drink any other unsweetened juices even when they are diluted. Some of the people in this group say they can tolerate the juices if they are diluted 1 to 1 with water. You might try that. I've been on asulfidine for years with no ill effects, but twice I tried going on asacol and all-### broke loose each time. Although there isn't much lactose in asacol, it really does a number on me. For vegetables, I can only eat broccoli; the others create problems for me. I'm also able to eat all meats with no problem. Peanut butter gives me a bad case of gas. Although my diet is very limited (more so than what Breaking the Viscous Cycle calls for), I've found the combination that works for me. My gut has been in great shape for the last two weeks. The foods I just mentioned may be causing your continued problems. It might help for you to go to the bare basics mentioned in the book for a while. If this helps start adding one different allowable food at a time to see how you react to it. Then go for at least three days without adding other different foods. It may take awhile to find out what combination works for you, but once you find it, life will become more bearable. It's rough being your own test subject, but you don't really have any other alternatives. Don't give up on the SCD too quickly. I found that this diet was worth sticking to even though it took sometime for me to find what worked for me. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: KevandDee@aol.com <KevandDee@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 5:15 PM Subject: Why? >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >All: > >Does anyone know why this diet works for so many people, but not for >everyone? Even Elaine said in her book, and her post the other day, that if >you have severe UC, and have tried the diet for one month with no >improvement, then it probably will not work for you. I'm very >discouraged...have been on the diet for 23 days, and my bleeding, pain, gas, >constipation/diarrhea, are all worse! I eat fish, some chicken (white, >boneless, skinless), no nut bread (can't tolerate it), some homemade yogurt >(didn't really seem to set well with me), cooked veggies, peanut butter >(natural), eggs (every now and then), only acceptable cheeses (shredded), >drink water and fruit juice (unsweetened). I'm baffled, and I am getting >scoped again November 13 if the bleeding hasn't stopped. Bummer. > >I'm on 40 mg. prednisone per day, and switched from Azulfadine to 6 Asacol >per day in approximately February 1997. I do not believe the minute amount >of lactose in the Asacol is the problem, as I was never this "bad" before. > The only other different thing is that I've added fish and chicken to my >diet; I was a vegetarian for six years but felt the need to get some protein >incorporated into my diet. But again, somehow I just don't feel the meat is >the problem. I guess I'm going to look into food combining next. > >If you've gotten this far, thanks for listening! Any suggestions are truly >welcome. > >Deanna > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:13 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: RE: Another Survey Message-ID: <01bce0ab$25d55a60$263b36ce@backpack> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BCE070.79768260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I moler in my face has an amalgm filling. Some of my teeth have two = fillings. I've had some of these filling as much as 33 years. 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Some of my teeth have two fillings. I've had some of these filling as much as 33 years. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:43:19 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey (conversation is getting ugly) Message-ID: <01bce0ac$b2c0ae60$263b36ce@backpack> Hey Folks, Let's not blast each other over the net. If private issues need to be discussed, send a private email message to the offender. Chucking spears at one another on the list isn't necessary. Chide in private and praise in public. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:58:23 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 25 lbs of almond flour Message-ID: <19971024.115825.10478.0.rosset@juno.com> On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:56:00 -0500 (CDT) Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Liz, What works for me is to bag up the flour in gallon size freezer bags. It seems like you end up with about 6 bags. Keep one bag in the refrigerator and the rest in the freezer. As soon as you are running low, bring another bag down from the freezer. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:42:05 -0400 From: aculverh@engin.umich.edu (Annie Culverhouse) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 25 lbs of almond flour Message-ID: <v02110109b076aa129693@[141.213.25.73]> >What have others done? > >Thanks so much, >Liz Liz: I've bought 3-4 medium to large(depending on freezer size) rubbermaid containers and put the nut flour in those, stuck them in the freezer. I keep 5lbs of flour in the fridge in a canister. I have also sent some home with my mom for her to store. Hope this helps! Annie Annie Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 273 Chrysler Center Ann Arbor MI 48109-2092 ph: 313/647-7187 fax: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:22:07 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <199710241722_MC2-250C-5F8A@compuserve.com> Thanks. I will try to find them at another store. Thanks for the recipe= =2E Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:24:49 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <199710241725_MC2-250C-5FC2@compuserve.com> Linda, Here it is: Blueberry Lemon Muffins 3 eggs 1/2 cup honey 1 tsp vanilla 1/8 tsp salt 2 1/2 c. almond flour 3/4 c. dried blueberries 1 T. grated lemon rind (fresh) 1 tsp baking soda Mix eggs with the honey. Add the vanilla and salt. Mix well. Gradually= add the almond flour. Mix well. Blend in the blueberries and lemon rind. Finally add the baking soda*. Fill muffin cups about 1/2 full. Bake at= 350 for about 20 minutes. Makes 1 dozen muffins. About 220 calories, 15g carbohydrate, and 75 mg calcium in each muffin. I add the baking soda last because it begins to react immediately when mixed with wet ingredients. It's rising power is a timed reaction. (Baking powder rises twice--first it reacts with wet ingredients and then it has a risin= g reaction to heat. We don't have the advantage of two reactions when usin= g only baking soda.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 17:57:42 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <9710242257.AA17576@swansong.amd.com> FYI it appears that UC sufferers are mostly non-smokers, has anyone tried nicotine gum or transdermal patches. according to one study the nicotine and predisone act the same way, with nicotine be about 50% effective compared to predisone. i dont know where MD's are on this, but it may be a choice between UC and nicotine for maintaining remission. there are about 57 articles on PubMed that discuss the use of nicotine in various colitis applications, either as a patch/gum/enema, with and without the use of 5-ASA drugs. it is interesting. ted ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:21:49 -0400 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <199710242324.4557600@bedford.net> Smoking sometimes seems effective for my colitis. My last ND wasn't too thrilled about the patch idea, but he was willing to perscribe it for me (this was before it was OTC). His experience with patients was that it wasn't very effective. Bill ---------- > From: Ted Kyle <ted.kyle@vantis.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Smoking and UC > Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 6:57 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > FYI > > it appears that UC sufferers are mostly non-smokers, has anyone tried nicotine gum or transdermal > patches. according to one study the nicotine and predisone act the same way, with nicotine > be about 50% effective compared to predisone. i dont know where MD's are on this, but > it may be a choice between UC and nicotine for maintaining remission. there are about > 57 articles on PubMed that discuss the use of nicotine in various colitis applications, > either as a patch/gum/enema, with and without the use of 5-ASA drugs. it is interesting. > > > ted ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #79 **********************
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