SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Tue, 4 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 90 In this issue: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" wine anyone? Re: recipes Re: slow improvement on SCD Pat/sugar Chicken FInger Recipe fats Dietmar/cholesterol Re: SCD-list V1 #88 Re: slow improvement on SCD The answer to the big "D" Re: More yoghurt Split Pea Soup.. Re: wine anyone? Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Re: wine anyone? Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Dietmar/cholesterol Re: Montreal area Re: Split Pea Soup.. Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: wine anyone? slow improvement RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" RE: Dietmar/cholesterol Re: slow improvement -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:25:35 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984610F8B1@LOGIXMAIL> Mary, I sit here stunned from reading your email. My prayers and hope go out to you. Why do we, and the medical community appear so dumb!! Cholesterol is an extremely essential chemical to many of our body functions. It would be like saying to you, congratulations for getting your white blood cells way down below the norms. They actually call that leukemia! I quote from Udo Erasmus' book, lower cholesterol "statistically increases death rate from suicide and cancer... Increased cancer may be due to lack of oil-soluble anti-cancer anti-oxidants: vitamins E and A, and carotene. These are transported to our cells by the same LDL (a form of cholesterol) that bring fats and cholesterol, and may become deficient when LDL levels in blood decrease." "Increase suicide may result from increased aggression, supported by the finding that low cholesterol levels reduce the number of receptors for serotonin on brain cell membranes." As it relates to me, I know for a fact, when my cholesterol is low, I am quite depressed. As I have raised it, I feel quite good! I hope that treatment for you cancer is coming along well! I know a woman here in phoenix who recovered from major breast cancer using shark cartilage extract and Hydrogen Peroxide IV treatments. If interested, I can get you the name of the MD doctor who treated her. She was a remarkable recovery! Perhaps, working on getting your cholesterol back up coulc help too?? pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 2:47 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Pat and Julie, > > Regarding cholesterol, mine was so low awhile back that it was below > 100. I > was congratulated by the nurse and doctor. Very shortly thereafter, I > was > diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. > > Someone on another list said that the idea of cholesterol figures > were made > up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell drugs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:40:49 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: wine anyone? Message-ID: <345E9940.74CB53C7@snet.net> What is the experience of you guys with dry wine? I know "the book" allows for it. Does it agree with you? if so, who much, how often? other types of alcohol or mixed drinks? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:15:08 -0600 From: "jcorless" <jcorless@dhc.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: recipes Message-ID: <199711040138.TAA27570@dhc.net> Thank you, I will try these very soon. ---------- > From: PI5DA@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: recipes > Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:27 PM >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello, >=20 > I found a few more recipes good for SCD. Here are some of them: > Hope you like them, >=20 > Simone :) >=20 >=20 > MIDWESTERN TURKEY MEATBALLS > WITH YOGURT AND DILL SAUCE >=20 > 1lb ground turkey =BC tsp. Cinnamon > 1C yogurt, divided 1/8 tsp. Ground cloves > =BD onion, chopped =BC tsp. Chili powder > 1 Tbs. Lemon juice 1 =BD tsp. Fresh dill or > =BC C parsley, chopped =BD tsp. Dried dill > =BD tsp. Garlic, minced =BC tsp. Pepper > =BD tsp. Salt >=20 > Preheat oven to 400*. Mix the turkey with 3 Tbs. Yogurt, onion, > lemon juice, parsley, garlic, salt, cinnamon, cloves, and chili > powder. Shape into 20 meatballs, each 1 =BD " in diameter. Place > on a shallow pan and bake 25 minutes turning meatballs once > midway through. While the meatballs are cooking, mix remaining > yogurt, dill, and pepper to make the sauce. =20 > To serve, pour yogurt dill sauce over meatballs. >=20 >=20 > DIJON TURKEY BURGERS >=20 > 2 tsp. Oil 2 Tbs. Parsley, chopped > 1 C onion, chopped =BD tsp. Salt > 1 lb. Ground turkey =BC tsp. Pepper > 3 Tbs. Mustard (Dijon) >=20 > Saut=E9 onions in oil until lightly browned. > Mix all ingredients together and shape > into 5 patties. Cook in skillet on medium > heat approximately 12 minutes. >=20 >=20 > SALMON PATTIES WITH=20 > CUCUMBER AND DILL SAUCE >=20 > PATTIES: CUCUMBER DILL SAUCE: >=20 > 1 can (14 =BE oz.) salmon =BD C yogurt > 2/3 C almond flour =BC sm. Cucumber, seeded > =BC C liquid and diced > 2 eggs, beaten =BD sm. Tomato, diced fine > 3 Tbs. Onion, finely chopped 1 Tbs. Onion, finely chopped > 1 Tbs. Fresh dill 1 Tbs. Fresh dill, or > =BD tsp. Salt and Pepper =BE tsp. Dried dill > 2 tsp. butter=09 >=20 >=20 > PATTIES: Drain salmon. Combine all ingredients together. > Form 6 patties Cook in butter in skillet over medium heat > about 4 minutes on each side or until browned. >=20 > SAUCE: Mix all ingredients well. Serve over patties >=20 >=20 >=20 > ORANGE SPICED BABY CARROTS (serving :4)=20 >=20 > =BD C water =BD tsp. Vanilla extract > =BD C orange juice =BC tsp. Nutmeg > 1 Tbs. Butter 1 =BD tsp. Orange zest > 1 lb. Baby carrots >=20 > Put water, orange juice, and butter in a sauce pan. > Add carrots. Cover tightly and simmer on low heat=20 > 25 minutes or until carrots are crisp-tender. =20 > Check occasionally to make sure carrots don=92t burn.=20 > If needed, add a few Tbs water. > Sprinkle carrots with vanilla, nutmeg, and orange > zest. Mix well. >=20 >=20 > DILL ROASTED CARROTS (Yield: 2 =BD Cups) >=20 > 1 lb. Tender carrots =BC tsp. Salt > 1 =BD Tbs. Better dash pepper > =BC tsp. Dry-dill 1 Tbs. Water > 1 tsp. Fresh dill >=20 > Preheat oven to 375*. Pare carrots and scrub well. =20 > Cut into strips, like french fries. Place carrots in > middle of a piece of heavy-duty foil. Dot with butter, > and sprinkle with seasonings and water. Wrap the > carrots securely in foil, and crimp the edges. > Bake 45 minutes or until carrots are tender. >=20 >=20 > GRANNY SMITH APPLE SAUCE (serves: 4) >=20 > 2 lb. Granny Smith Apples honey to sweeten > 2 Tbs. Fresh lemon juice =BC tsp. Nutmeg (opt) > 1 C water =BC tsp. Vanilla (opt) > =BC tsp. Cinnamon >=20 > Pare, core and cut apples into bite - size pieces. Put them=20 > in a large heavy pot. Add lemon juice and water. Mix well. > Bring to boil, cover, and simmer gently until apples are > soft. Remove from heat. Add cinnamon and honey. Mix > well with wooden spoon (metal may darken the sauce). >=20 >=20 >=20 > BUTTERNUT SQUASH PUREE (serves: 4) > =20 > 1 butternut squash, 1 quarter size slice of=20 > peeled, seeded, and fresh ginger root > sliced 2-3 C chicken stock > 1 shallot, peeled, =BD tsp. Salt > and sliced =BC tsp. Ground cardamom > =09 > Preheat oven to 450*. > Place squash, shallots, ginger root, and 1 cup chicken > stock in a shallow pan and bake 1 hour or until squash > is soft. Place pan contents in food processor with steel > blade. Process until smooth, gradually adding stock,=20 > salt, cardamom until puree. Reheat if necessary. >=20 >=20 >=20 > STUFFED ACORN SQUASH (serves: 4) >=20 > 2 C water 1 C cranberries (fresh or frozen) > 2 acorn squash, halved, =BC tsp. Cinnamon > and seeded =BD tsp. Salt > =BD sm. Spanish onion, 2 Tbs. Walnuts, chopped (opt) > chopped 1 egg white > =BD Granny Smith apple, 3 tsp. Orange juice or=20 > peeled and diced apple cider >=20 >=20 > Preheat oven to 400*. > Bake squash for 35 minutes, cut side down in a large dish with 1 =BD cu= p water > in it.=20 > While squash is baking, prepare filling. Combine onion, apple, and celery in > a medium - low heat for 15 minutes or until apple is soft. Remove from heat > and add remaining ingredients. =20 > Remove squash from oven and cool enough to handle. Scoop out half of t= he > flesh, leaving enough so the squash retains its shape. Do not break th= e > skin. =20 > Add scraped out squash to apple mixture. Divide stuffing into 4 parts and > fill the squash shells. > Bake for 30 minutes or until tender. >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:00:59 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD Message-ID: <01bce8cd$e1025f20$LocalHost@default> >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello everyone ! > >I have a very question someone may be able to shed some information on. > >It has been exactly 1 month since I started the SCD diet. So far most of my >bloating and cramping has gone away almost from the begining. snip >However, the chronic "D" (diarrhea) has not improved. And I still get those snip my diet consists of chicken (usually breast), and turkey >(ground breast usually), fish, eggs, cheddar cheese, zucchini, bananas, snip >the purpose of getting rid of the diarrhea. I am at a loss. >Any help is much appreciated. >Simone Hello Simone: Page 45 (The Book)"When brisk diarrhea is no longer present, eggs may be added to the diet." Hope this helps William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:55:28 EST From: SHADOWPUP <SHADOWPUP@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Pat/sugar Message-ID: <b82e04f.345e9c83@aol.com> no need to disagree with me, Pat. i just caught myself. you ARE right. after i saw your post to Moira, i immediately realized it and was going to write in, then i saw YOUR post to me so want to make clear Pat is right. (feels good, dont it?) its funny (actually sad) that so many things that have been brainwashed into the mind, sticks. i have had the same experience with the candida diet. it does not work. so, moira, go ahead and follow the diet as outlined. it IS the simple sugars that dont need to be broke down that we should be able to digest. theoretically Larry should have no problem. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:55:57 -0700 From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Chicken FInger Recipe Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971104035557.00666454@mail.planet.eon.net> Hello everyone! Just thought I'd pass along this terrific recipe - we love it!! Chicken Fingers 4 Chicken breasts, halved, skinless, boneless 1/2 c butter 3/4 c nut flour 1/4 c grated parmesan cheese 3/4 tsp salt 1/4 tsp dried basil 1/4 tsp ground thyme Cut each chicken breast half into 2 to 3 finger length pieces. Melt butter in small saucepan. Combine next 5 ingredients in small bowl. Stir well. Dip each chicken piece into butter then coat with crumb mixture. Place on greased foil-lined baking sheet. Bake in 400 degrees F (205 degrees C) oven for 25 - 30 minutes. Bake until golden brown and no pink remains in meat. Makes 16 to 24 pieces. YUMMMM! Just a brief update on Martine's progress - tomorrow she drops down to 2.5 prednisone from 3 tablets (15 mgs) where she will stay for about a month. She's very happy to be weaning off of this drug. It is so wonderful to see her looking and feeling so good and healthy! Martine is maintaining her weight and very much getting on with her life. Hope you enjoy the recipe. ALLAN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:03:10 EST From: SHADOWPUP <SHADOWPUP@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: fats Message-ID: <9c777d52.345e9e51@aol.com> high levels of cholesterol are caused primarily by the consumption of sugar, alcohol and caffeine. eggs, butter, etc. do not raise cholesterol levels IF YOU KEEP sugar, alcohol and caffeine OUT of your diet. control of cholesterol is impossible when sugar is in the diet. one-fourth of all enzyme systems are dependent on fats. quoted from "its all in your head" by dr. hal huggins Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:58:05 EST From: SHADOWPUP <SHADOWPUP@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Dietmar/cholesterol Message-ID: <17ae1cd0.345e9d1f@aol.com> Dietmar took the words right out of my mouth. what is going on here is "they" want us sick. so they make this low-fat crap because we are ignorant enough to buy it. everyone is on a low-fat fad craze. its not fat that makes us sick and puts us in the hospital. IT IS REFINED SUGAR. so, what they do is remove the fat and add the sugar KNOWING we shouldnt be eating it and what it will end up doing long term. and look now at how many people are sick. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #88 Message-ID: <971103183125_2058703179@emout11.mail.aol.com> Pat and Joan, I basically had to go off of the candida diet because of low blood sugar. I had absolutely no energy, plus other problems with grains. I had a similiar experience about 8 years ago when I tried a diet described by a New York dr. called "Medical Makeover". So instead of using my head and eating fruits, I got discourged and went back to eating junk. Then I got hooked on the low-fat thing, but still ate sugar because it doesn't contain any fat. Then I really got sick. I have been on scd for almost a month and a couple of times I have started to feel that really "low feeling" so I made sure I ate fruit with almost every meal and I picked-up. If I could'nt have the fruit, I would have abandoned this diet. I'm doing so well, "knock on wood" and "the proof is in the pudding". Take care, Jane P.S. Pat, thanks for responding to diets I can recommend to friends. I'm going to read Atkins. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: JPS3450@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD The answer to the big "D" Message-ID: <971104001355_-1862605445@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Alright folks I've been holding out. Ive been on the diet for almost 11 months and think that I have a solution to the big "D". Now this may not work for everyone and I certainly dont represent any herbal stores, but I recently went to a herbal store and found a product that has completely taken the "D" out of my BM's. I originally went to get some psyillium because I thought that would help---But the clerk suggested a product called CLT-X which consists of slippery elm bark, marshmellow root, dong quai root, and some yam root,. and ginger root. What a beautiful combination-it worked like magic. The product I take is made by Natures Sunshine and I hope it works for you as well as it did for me. I have unsubscribed because my E-mails have become too plenty, and I seem to get many messages twice. If anyone wants any further information you can personally E-mail me at jps3450@aol.com Good luck By the way I have UC for 15 years and think that SCD is healing me. To those of you that are considering cheating.....DONT DO IT!!! Love, J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:32:56 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: More yoghurt Message-ID: <01bce8e3$1b68bb40$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: Bernt Johansson <etxbtjn@sta.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 11:55 AM Subject: More yoghurt >SCD MAILING LIST >Hi all. >I know that there's been a lot of messages concerning youghurt >making the last weeks, but I would like to post this one anyway. >A few months ago, there was a discussion whether you could use >only commercial youghurt and "bake" it for 24 hours or not. >I don't know if anyone tried that (at least I haven't seen any >postings on it), but now I can tell you that, for the last few >weeks, Iv'e eaten about three gallons of this kind of homemade >commercial yoghurt with no negative reaction at all. >I remember that a couple of weeks ago, in a discussion about if >you could use to much commercial yoghurt as starter, someone said >that commercial yoghurt could contain up to 30 percent lactose. >I don't know about the U.S. commercial yoghurt, but here in Sweden, >no commercial yoghurt (except the flavoured ones) contains more >than seven percent carbohydrates (the flavoured ones around fifteen). >Recently, there was a discussion/comparison on yoghurt preparation >time. How about this: Two minutes to wash the container, one minute >to pour in the yoghurt and put it in the oven - a total time of >three minutes. Try to beat that if you can! >Bernt Johansson >Sweden Hello Bernt So nice to hear from Sweden. I would be intrested in hearing your opinions on the first pharagraph, page five zero (50) of Breaking the Vicioius Cycle. William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-List@longisland.com Subject: Split Pea Soup.. Message-ID: <971103225200_1370609310@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi Everyone, That Split Pea Soup does sound good! I was hoping to find the recipe for it in Elaine's Book. Anyone have a recipe for this that they would like to pass on to the group? Thanks..JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:38:56 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971103203856.006b1d44@smartt.com> At 07:40 PM 11/3/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >What is the experience of you guys with dry wine? I know "the book" >allows for it. > >Does it agree with you? > Alcohol, period, does not agree with me. Luckily I've never enjoyed it either except for a very rare summertime glass of beer with pizza or something like that. Notice she wrote "dry". That's because alcohol as such is a refined carbohydrate aka "sugar", thus it would ferment in your system and give good feeding ground for all those bugs we're trying to starve out. The reason she says "dry" is because the "dryness" (meaning "least sweet") means those are the wines with the lowest sugar content, thus they will be the most "tart", even "sour". Dietmar >if so, who much, how often? > >other types of alcohol or mixed drinks? > >Jeff > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:00:54 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971103220054.006c5108@smartt.com> At 12:34 PM 11/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To the group: > >When I compose my email it looks great on my computer (Lotus Notes). But >when I receive the message back from the SCD-list server it looks horrible. >For instance, I just sent a message to Moira with a list of Whole Foods >Markets and I had tabbed the stores into columns. When I got the message >from the server it was all messed up! > >What am I doing wrong? > >Help! > >Linda > > > You're not actually doing anything "wrong" ... the problem is, the way I see it (and I agree, it is rather scrambled), you're not using a dedicated e-mailer to compose the messages (or IS "Lotus Notes" an e-mailer? I thought it was a word-processor?) I use "Eudora"; the other world-wide popular e-mailer is "Pegasus" (the former has a freeware version, the latter is free, period). Netscape also has an e-mailer built-in, though I don't use it. If you use any of these, your e-mails will most likely look exaclty as you see them, which is definitely easier on the recipient, right? Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Message-ID: <971104083543_629435691@mrin38> A little FYI- Lotus Notes is Work Group development platform used as a communications tool in many organizations. Unfortunately, developers at different sites are not always aware of what standards to conform to. This is especially the case when an internal e-mail package developed with Lotus Notes is used for internet e-mail. It is actually the "Enhancements" given to mail that cause most of the problems. I really have a tendency to sound like a know-it-all, don't I? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:36:54 -0600 From: deelen@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Timothy R. Van Deelen) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <199711041436.IAA29533@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu> Dietmar wrote: >Notice she wrote "dry". That's because alcohol as such is a refined >carbohydrate aka "sugar", thus it would ferment in your system and give >good feeding ground for all those bugs we're trying to starve out. > No. The alcohol in beer, wine, and spirits is ethenol. It is NOT a carbohydrate. It is a metabolic by-product of glycolysis under anaerobic conditions (carbohydrate digestion), a different chemical species. The distinction between dry and sweet wines is due to incomplete digestion of carbohydrates by the introduced yeast (aka incomplete fermentation) which leaves residual sugars, most of which is probably fructose. In much the same way that we make completely-fermented yogurt where all the lactose is consumed, one can make wine in which virtually all the sugars are consumed (and converted to energy, ethenol, lactic acid, and glycerol). Alcohol in one's system will not "ferment" since it is already an end-product of the fermentation process. Beer is very similar to wine but it is not allowed on the SCD diet because it depends on incomplete fermentation to be carbonated, same with champagne. Spirits are different because they're distilled, another process. The spirits that Elaine lists as "legal" (scotch, whiskey, ....) are ones that do not have sugary-substances blended with them after distillation. I am a 19-month veteren of the SCD and a have had ups and downs but the overall trend has been steady, remarkable improvement. Right now, I live day to day with NO chron's symptoms. I drink the occasional (2-3 drinks a week max) dry or semi-dry wine and scotch and soda with no ill effects whatsoever. My opinion is that since alcohol can irritate, experimentation should wait until you've been on the diet long enough for symptoms to subside. Tim P.S. As a former enthusiastic home-brewer I have an idea for SCD-legal beer. If there are any other former home-brewers that would like to discuss it, contact me by private e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:10:42 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <01bce93c$3312a220$293b36ce@backpack> Pat Said >Huggins says for many, many decades 220-225 was considered ideal and >normative. He also says if he can get people off white sugar and >refined carbos, and then get them to eat at least 2 eggs per day and up >to 1/4 pound of butter that whether or not not they are high or low, >their cholesterol will eventually normalize around 220. > >pat Hi All, I just thought of something that happened to me when I read this passage. A year and a half ago I had my blood tested and it that showed that my white cell blood count was low and that a couple of enzyme levels were elevate in my liver. Just before I went on the SCD in July my gastroentrologist checked out my blood to see if these conditions still existed. They did. So I was scheduled for a liver biopsy for the following month. In the mean time I went on the SCD and had been on the diet for a month when I went in for the liver biopsy. The doctor drew some more blood and found that my white cell blood count and all of my liver's enzyme levels were normal. He asked me what had changed. I told him that I started this SCD diet and had lost 20 lbs in the process (this weight that I needed to lose). To that he said that whatever I did, it was the right move and that I should keep it up. He also said there was no reason for me to have a liver biopsy since the blood situation had straightened itself out. He told me that high cholesterol caused the problems that were in my blood. He told me to have another blood test in December to make sure that my blood is still in good shape. I have no doubt that the next blood test will be normal. I say this because I'm probably consuming as much fat now as I did before I went on the SCD, yet my cholesterol level dropped down into the normal range. I eat a heck of a lot of cheddar cheese, eggs, and other fat laden foods. I'd say from my own experience that the SCD is a very healthy diet. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:42 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <01bce93d$74c0cac0$293b36ce@backpack> > >Regarding cholesterol, mine was so low awhile back that it was below 100. I >was congratulated by the nurse and doctor. Very shortly thereafter, I was >diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. > >Someone on another list said that the idea of cholesterol figures were made >up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell drugs. > To all, Just a side note. I've been told that the high colesterol hype was seezed upon by margerine business interests. When margerine made its debut a couple of decades ago, there was no market for the stuff. So the industry started hyping low fat diets to get people to switch from butter to margerine. I don't know if this is fact or fiction, but if it's fact, then market interests are behind a lot of the hype. We all know how business and profit go hand-in-hand (even when it calls for deceptive marketing tactics). Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:31:46 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Dietmar/cholesterol Message-ID: <01bce93f$24a2ed00$293b36ce@backpack> >Dietmar took the words right out of my mouth. what is going on here is "they" >want us sick. so they make this low-fat crap because we are ignorant enough to >buy it. everyone is on a low-fat fad craze. its not fat that makes us sick and >puts us in the hospital. IT IS REFINED SUGAR. so, what they do is remove the >fat and add the sugar KNOWING we shouldnt be eating it and what it will end up >doing long term. and look now at how many people are sick. > >Joan > More appropriately, I don't know that the medical community wants us sick as much as producers of low fat foods want more profit. Many doctors in the medical community just stick to what they believe which is based on scientific studies that they read about. If a study hasn't been conducted that uses the proper protocals, then the main stream medical professionals don't want to embrace the alternative ways that may improve our health. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Montreal area Message-ID: <971104113246_1236475798@emout08.mail.aol.com> I don't live there anymore, but when I visited last Xmas I bought the dry curd cottage cheese at the Bagel bakery on either St. Viateur or Fairmount--I can't remember which one--and it was wrapped in cellophane and wax paper. (Farmer's cheese) I think that it was made by Astro. It may be sold at health food stores also, but I couldn't find any. As for the nuts, I grind them myself in a coffee grinder. Good luck. P.S. Which part of Montreal are you located in? Rosa Kuhn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:52:17 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Split Pea Soup.. Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971104095001.2d1f942e@megamed.com> Dear JoEllen I tried soaking the split peas in water first, the water is all absorbed, there is nothing to pour out in the morning, so how can we get the sugars out that the book says we must? Moira> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:14:51 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Wonky-looking e-Messages Message-ID: <88256545.005E3F8B.00@baxworld.com> Dietmar, Thanks for your thoughts. Lotus Notes is strictly email. But unlike other email software it does allow for some 'formatting' like a word processor does - however, very limited. Jim sent me some good information regarding Lotus Notes email to external locations, i.e. not another Lotus Notes user. Which is the case when sending to the SCD list - I just need to keep my emails simple and see if that improves the look when received through external sources. Regards, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 11:35:29 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <9711041735.AA19341@swansong.amd.com> just wondering ? do flares and such intensify when "still losing weight" on the SCD and do things seem to get better when weight normalizes ? does SCD seem to work best for underweight dieters ? what if the problem Deanna reported and the fact that this diet does not seem to work for everyone is due to weight loss and the freeing of Arachidonic acid into the blood from the fat cells, the Arachidonic acid plagued me when i lost 38lbs and i took lots of fish oil to combat it. (before dieting i only had pain/cramps/constipation followed D, my son has colitis, i have been normal for over a year, my son just started diet control for colitis) the arachidonic acid is a real deal for me, i eat read meat and i can tell it from the consistency of my bowel the next day, i eat three eggs and i wont have a BM for two to three days. i know this because three out of the four meals i eat daily are the same every day every meal, the only variation is the fourth, it is almost always chicken/vegatables. =======start of included file================================================= deanna wrote: I'm very discouraged...have been on the diet for 23 days, and my bleeding, pain, gas, constipation/diarrhea, are all worse! ========end of included file================================================ ted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:31 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <19971104.111340.10478.0.rosset@juno.com> >I drink the occasional (2-3 >drinks a >week max) dry or semi-dry wine Jeff, I have discussed the wine issue with Elaine and I know that she would rather we stick with the VERY DRY only. Apparently, the higher the alcohol content, the drier the wine. I try not to buy anything below 12.5 % alcohol content, if possible I'll get 13%. Most chardonnays are dry enough, as are most carbernet sauvignons, merlots, and several other red wines. Just check the alcohol content on the label. I also indulge in vodka and fresh squeezed orange juice without any trouble. Obviously it isn't wise to get carried away with the drinking. Everything in moderation... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:04:33 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: slow improvement Message-ID: <39b7b4d5.345f7fa3@aol.com> Hello everyone!! I would like to thank you all who offered me advice. I phoned Elaine this morning and she told me that pretty much I am doing OK, just cut down on dates perhaps. One month is too soon to get dramatic results, and the fact that my arthritis pain and most of the bloating has gone away is great improvement for the time being. Also, she told me that Asacol is a medical joke, and is totally useless. However, she recommended Azulfidine in small doses. Last year I took 3 a day and was violently ill and had to stop on the 3rd day. Elaine said that was because I was put on large doses immediately, and she is going to fax me a research article on the proper dosage of the drug to show my doctor. Regarding psyllium, she recommeded I stay off it for the time being and see what happens. Lastly, she sends her best wishes to every one in the group, and feels terrible about the 'disagreements' that had been going on that caused some veteran group members to drop out. She hopes you all will get along and help eachother for the sake of what the list stands for. Thanks again, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:57 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846112A23@LOGIXMAIL> Good info Glen. As Joan posted here earlier, it is sugar and refined flours that drive cholesterol up, not fat and cholesterol bearing food. Just curious, what was you cholesterol before and after SCD? What did your doc consider "normal"? pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn L. Rung [SMTP:backpack@cyberlynk.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:11 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat Said > > >Huggins says for many, many decades 220-225 was considered ideal and > >normative. He also says if he can get people off white sugar and > >refined carbos, and then get them to eat at least 2 eggs per day and > up > >to 1/4 pound of butter that whether or not not they are high or low, > >their cholesterol will eventually normalize around 220. > > > >pat > > Hi All, > > I just thought of something that happened to me when I read this > passage. > > A year and a half ago I had my blood tested and it that showed that my > white > cell blood count was low and that a couple of enzyme levels were > elevate in > my liver. Just before I went on the SCD in July my gastroentrologist > checked out my blood to see if these conditions still existed. They > did. So > I was scheduled for a liver biopsy for the following month. In the > mean time > I went on the SCD and had been on the diet for a month when I went in > for > the liver biopsy. The doctor drew some more blood and found that my > white > cell blood count and all of my liver's enzyme levels were normal. > > He asked me what had changed. I told him that I started this SCD diet > and > had lost 20 lbs in the process (this weight that I needed to lose). To > that > he said that whatever I did, it was the right move and that I should > keep it > up. He also said there was no reason for me to have a liver biopsy > since the > blood situation had straightened itself out. He told me that high > cholesterol caused the problems that were in my blood. He told me to > have > another blood test in December to make sure that my blood is still in > good > shape. I have no doubt that the next blood test will be normal. > > I say this because I'm probably consuming as much fat now as I did > before I > went on the SCD, yet my cholesterol level dropped down into the normal > range. I eat a heck of a lot of cheddar cheese, eggs, and other fat > laden > foods. I'd say from my own experience that the SCD is a very healthy > diet. > > Glenn > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:45:32 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Dietmar/cholesterol Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846112A25@LOGIXMAIL> True, but many of the studies that they base there thinking on are conducted by people like the margarine industry and extremely flawed and hardly scientific. They have the money though to make them look scientific and to hype the reults to the media and the mdeical community which doe get the docs attention. Thus they end up believeing something that is false. Deception only really works when it is mixed with a healthy dose of truth. It is still deception. > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn L. Rung [SMTP:backpack@cyberlynk.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:32 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Dietmar/cholesterol > > > > More appropriately, I don't know that the medical community wants us > sick as > much as producers of low fat foods want more profit. Many doctors in > the > medical community just stick to what they believe which is based on > scientific studies that they read about. If a study hasn't been > conducted > that uses the proper protocals, then the main stream medical > professionals > don't want to embrace the alternative ways that may improve our > health. > > Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:57:35 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: slow improvement Message-ID: <199711042157.PAA09178@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> I wonder why Elaine thinks Asacol is a joke.. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Nov 4 14:05 CST 1997 > From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:04:33 EST > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: slow improvement > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everyone!! > > I would like to thank you all who offered me advice. > > I phoned Elaine this morning and she told me that pretty much I am doing OK, > just cut down on dates perhaps. One month is too soon to get dramatic results, > and the fact that my arthritis pain and most of the bloating has gone away is > great improvement for the time being. > > Also, she told me that Asacol is a medical joke, and is totally useless. > However, she recommended Azulfidine in small doses. Last year I took 3 a day > and was violently ill and had to stop on the 3rd day. Elaine said that was > because I was put on large doses immediately, and she is going to fax me a > research article on the proper dosage of the drug to show my doctor. > > Regarding psyllium, she recommeded I stay off it for the time being and see > what happens. > > Lastly, she sends her best wishes to every one in the group, and feels > terrible about the 'disagreements' that had been going on that caused some > veteran group members to drop out. She hopes you all will get along and help > eachother for the sake of what the list stands for. > > Thanks again, > > Simone > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #90 ********************** SCD-list Wed, 5 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 91 In this issue: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Articl Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Yogurt Making RE: Split Pea Soup.. Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Articl Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Margarine vs. Butter Elaine's comments something evil Crohn's Info. Re: something evil SCD & pregnancy Re: something evil Re: Crohn's Info. Re: wine anyone? Re: More yoghurt Re: wine anyone? Oops RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" RE: something evil RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" DCCC vs Bakers cheese Re: wine anyone? Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" SDC - Spanish Cheese Question RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Crohn's Info. Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" New person I forget to say something... Re: initial resistance Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: slow improvement on SCD The answer to the big "D" Re: dry curd cottage cheese in SF Re: BIG THANK-YOU!! Fwd: Health Freedoms at Stake Re: something evil Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:15:41 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Articl Message-ID: <199711050347.TAA28764@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Dietmar, Found this in my 'pending file'. Could you send me a copy when you have a moment? Thanks again, Barb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:23:03 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <01bce991$beaa68e0$353b36ce@backpack> Pat, Before SCD, my cohlesterol was close to 300. After 2 months on the diet it was about 210. Glenn Pat said, ->Good info Glen. As Joan posted here earlier, it is sugar and refined >flours that drive cholesterol up, not fat and cholesterol bearing food. >Just curious, what was you cholesterol before and after SCD? What did >your doc consider "normal"? > >pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Fran Peterson <scs@olypen.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt Making Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971104193547.1f875eae@mail.olypen.com> Dear List, What is the yogurt starter? Where do you get it? What is the recipe and method for making yogurt in the oven? Thanks, Fran ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:41:35 -0600 From: jhubbard@ghg.net (Joe Hubbard) To: 'SCDList' <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: RE: Split Pea Soup.. Message-ID: <01BCE972.D599C7E0@max7-34.ghg.net> According to my cook books, split peas do not have a skin and are small, = so they can be rehydrated by cooking and don't require soaking. I have = made split pea soup a few times, but now I wonder if it really is = allowed? I've also made refried beans using pinto beans. I love them, = but I don't think they are allowed either. =20 Anyone else have more info on this pea/bean subject? Carla I tried soaking the split peas in water first, the water is all = absorbed, there is nothing to pour out in the morning, so how can we get the = sugars out that the book says we must? Moira> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:53:42 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Articl Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971104215342.006b36fc@smartt.com> At 06:15 PM 11/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dietmar, > >Found this in my 'pending file'. Could you send me a copy when you >have a moment? > >Thanks again, > >Barb > > OK. Give me your mailing address. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:14:20 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971104231420.006b905c@smartt.com> >I say this because I'm probably consuming as much fat now as I did before I >went on the SCD, yet my cholesterol level dropped down into the normal >range. I eat a heck of a lot of cheddar cheese, eggs, and other fat laden >foods. I'd say from my own experience that the SCD is a very healthy diet. > >Glenn > > That's unreal, Glenn. Doesn't that just make you jump up & down with joy?! It's good you told us about that. Fat-Lovers of the world, unite! (Did anyone watch "3rd Rock from the Sun" tonight? About "FatLosers Anonymous"? A rhetorical question, no need to reply!) Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:26:16 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Margarine vs. Butter Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971104232616.006b9dcc@smartt.com> At 08:19 AM 11/4/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>Regarding cholesterol, mine was so low awhile back that it was below 100. I >>was congratulated by the nurse and doctor. Very shortly thereafter, I was >>diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. >> >>Someone on another list said that the idea of cholesterol figures were >made >>up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell drugs. >> > >To all, > >Just a side note. I've been told that the high colesterol hype was seezed >upon by margerine business interests. When margerine made its debut a couple >of decades ago, there was no market for the stuff. So the industry started >hyping low fat diets to get people to switch from butter to margerine. I >don't know if this is fact or fiction, but if it's fact, then market >interests are behind a lot of the hype. We all know how business and profit >go hand-in-hand (even when it calls for deceptive marketing tactics). > >Glenn > > > "The Story of Margarine": - invented by the Germans during World War II when they had a shortage of dairy products; it was a terrible tasting product, made from refined veg. oils, but what can you do when there's no 7-11 around, eh? The word "margarine", according to my dictionary, comes from "margaric acid", a type of fatty acid that's in lichens & some veg oils) - the idea was also taken on by the Allies, especially the Brits & the Canadians (the latter having to export all their goodies to the Yank & Brit war machine: butter fat was an essential ingredient for producing some material or lubrication or something, so very little was available for civilians), who called it "oleo-margarine". Because it was such a sickly-looking imitation of butter, (so an 80-ish friend of the family tells me), they packed a little container of food colouring (made from coal tar, just like all the other good food colouring we have in foods today!) along with it; when you got it home, you mixed it up to give it a "healthy" yellow colour. (They hadn't figured out yet how to make the colour stay mixed at the oleo-factory, so it would separate out & look all streaky when they tried it at first) - Then, of course, came the "health food 60's", and the industrial-food complex figured out they could do an endrun around cows & dairy farmers while also leeching off the health craze, so they "re-invented", re-engineered, and rehabilitated margarine to make is sound like an up-scale, health-wise thing to have on your table. I guess ol' Bessie on the farm is glad to have us back! She must have been feeling udder-ly lonely with everyone rejecting her. Can you say "Moo" with a smile on you face? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:46:15 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Elaine's comments Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971104234615.006c1780@smartt.com> Elaine, if you're looking in ... I must say it's very nice to hear how forthcoming you are with advice to people who contact you. I for one really appreciate that you're willing to spend your time & energy & money to help us. With many thanks, A list member, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 03:57 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Nov 4 14:05 CST 1997 >> From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> >> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:04:33 EST >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: slow improvement >> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >> X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) >> Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Hello everyone!! >> >> I would like to thank you all who offered me advice. >> >> I phoned Elaine this morning and she told me that pretty much I am doing OK, >> just cut down on dates perhaps. One month is too soon to get dramatic results, >> and the fact that my arthritis pain and most of the bloating has gone away is >> great improvement for the time being. >> >> Also, she told me that Asacol is a medical joke, and is totally useless. >> However, she recommended Azulfidine in small doses. Last year I took 3 a day >> and was violently ill and had to stop on the 3rd day. Elaine said that was >> because I was put on large doses immediately, and she is going to fax me a >> research article on the proper dosage of the drug to show my doctor. >> >> Regarding psyllium, she recommeded I stay off it for the time being and see >> what happens. >> >> Lastly, she sends her best wishes to every one in the group, and feels >> terrible about the 'disagreements' that had been going on that caused some >> veteran group members to drop out. She hopes you all will get along and help >> eachother for the sake of what the list stands for. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Simone >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:07:33 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: something evil Message-ID: <199711050902.BAA25256@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> I sat down at the computer tonight after a long night of cooking and baking, and i found a stack of papers that Matthew had left when he was doing his homework earlier this evening. They were compositions for his english class, memoirs. One dealt with his old rocking horse which he still remembers fondly, the other was a surprise. It was called "Something Evil," and it was about his experience this year with the thing that has come to dominate our lives: Crohn's Disease, and about the diet he is on now as aresult. I'm typing it up so that I can have it later. My 12 year old is one great kid. I wanted to share it for some reason "Something Evil" Something evil got into me this year, into my stomach. And I couldn't run, and I couldnt wear my shoes, had to wear sandals every day. Frustrating? You don't know about frustrating. This thing wasn't my fault, but that still did'nt change the fact that it was there, and I could do nothing at all to fix it. We kept going to the doctor for all kinds of checkups. There was even a time when I couldn't eat solid food for two days. Somehow, that got scheduled for the day we had pizza on a school field trip. They had pizza. And then came steroids. A mild amount, but that's what they were. Boy. did I feel great! I thought I was all better; until we started edging off the medication a week at a time. Turns out steroids don't exactly have a lasting effect. Things happened real slow, but I'm better now (knock on wood). Of course I can't eat a lot of foods, especially stuff that's not made at my house. I guess that's just yet another challenge in my life. I never thought I'd be on a diet at age twelve, but if it means I get to be me again, believe me, I'll get used to it. Matthew Hooker-Agvanian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:40:33 -0500 From: jacentab@hunterlab.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Crohn's Info. Message-ID: <199711051240.HAA00273@troi.hunterlab.com> Hi Everyone, my name is Jacenta. I'm a new member of the mailing list and a new SCDer (4 weeks). My body's choice of nasty things to do to me is IBS. It's been great reading the suggestions, opinions and shared resources of the group. I just ran across a short article in the Oct. 9 Washington Post, p. A6 (we were on vacation and I'm just now catching up on old issues), and thought it might help someone with Crohn's. "Injections of an antibody that targets a natural human protein are showing promise in hard-to-treat cases of Crohn's disease, a chronic digestive illness. The treatment involves injections of an antibody called cA2. It neutralizes a protein known as tumor necrosis factor that is thought to play a role in causing Crohn's. The treatment was developed by Centocor Inc. of Malvern, Pa. The company financed the study, which was conducted on 108 patients by Stephen R. Targan and colleagues from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and will be published in the New England Journal of Medicine......." Who knows, maybe the medical establishment actually came up with something useful, which won't cause nasty side-effects. Good luck to Crohn's people. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:08:55 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: something evil Message-ID: <l03010d01b0861fac3d17@[206.112.46.13]> Dear Steve, I'm trying to type this with this giant lump lodged in my throat. Quite some kid you've got there. I would encourage him to continue writing. First of all he's obviously got a knack for expression, but most importantly writing can be an invaluable tool for him to cope with his "evil". Thanks for sharing it. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:30:42 -0500 From: Fiona Grapp <fionag@umich.edu> To: Scd-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD & pregnancy Message-ID: <s4602edd.033@umich.edu> Hi Everyone - I just started on SCD on Sunday. Based on the difficulty I am having figuring out what to eat, it makes me realize that my old diet seemed to be based on everything I can't have now. No wonder I'm so sick! I started the diet on Sunday and on last night (Tuesday) I found out I was pregnant. Has anybody had experience with SCD while being pregnant? Is it a bad idea to start the diet while pregnant? I don't feel I can ask my gastroenterologist because she told me there is absolutely no relationship between food and ulcerative colitis. From my own experience running to the bathroom after eating something sugary, I know she's wrong. Does anybody have any SCD pregnancy experience they can tell me about? thanks, Fiona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:46:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: something evil Message-ID: <971105083206_1468088526@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Sometimes kids just have a way of saying it simply, yet profoundly! Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:57:48 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's Info. Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971105065532.0897bad4@megamed.com> Hi Everyone, my name is Jacenta. I'm a new member of the mailing list and a new SCDer (4 weeks). My body's choice of nasty things to do to me is IBS. It's been great reading the suggestions, opinions and shared resources of the group. I just ran across a short article in the Oct. 9 Washington Post, p. A6 (we were on vacation and I'm just now catching up on old issues), and thought it might help someone with Crohn's. "Injections of an antibody that targets a natural human protein are showing promise in hard-to-treat cases of Crohn's disease, a chronic digestive illness. The treatment involves injections of an antibody called cA2. It neutralizes a protein known as tumor necrosis factor that is thought to play a role in causing Crohn's. The treatment was developed by Centocor Inc. of Malvern, Pa. The company financed the study, which was conducted on 108 patients by Stephen R. Targan and colleagues from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles and will be published in the New England Journal of Medicine......." Who knows, maybe the medical establishment actually came up with something useful, which won't cause nasty side-effects. Good luck to Crohn's people. Dear Jacenta, Thank you so much for the information. Another scientist, Dr Wakefield in the U.K, has found Crohn's to be linked to the MMR vaccine. He is currently risking his job trying to get this research published. ( It is apparently not popular to publish info adverse to mandatory vaccine programs!) I also read that Crohn's can be helped by Pro Biotics such as Nature's Biotics or a similar Soil Based Organisms. The reason as I understand it is that the MMR can introduce viruses into the intestinal tract which lodge themselves in there and disrupt the functioning of the colon, turning it into a hamburger meat- like texture. The soil based organisms work to dislodge these organisms. I know I have not explained it well, but this is how it was explained to me. Anyway, many have been cured of Crohns by going on soil based organisms. I have no financial connection to this therapy. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 07:59:30 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <199711051600.IAA12046@pnn.com> Lucy, Having grown wine grapes commercially since the early 70's, I felt compelled to correct your misconceptions of "dry" vs. alcohol. The term dry for wine refers to its residual sugar content. A sweet wine still has sugar in it while a dry wine has none. We care about the sugar obviously. The alcohol content is really a different thing and a dry wine could have low or high alcohol. Wine is made by fermenting ripe grapes. One of the criteria for deciding when to harvest the grapes is the sugar content of the grapes. The fermentation process turns the sugar into alcohol at the rate of 2 to 1. So, if you harvest grapes at 24% sugar and ferment it dry, then you will end up with 12% alcohol wine. If you fermented it to 10% alcohol and then stopped it, you would have used 20% sugar and thus the finished wine would have 4% residual sugar. So in that respect, you might say that the 12% alcohol wine had less sugar than the 10% wine, but that is only if both wines started with 24% sugar grapes. The 10% wine could just as easily have started with 20% sugar grapes and be dry, or the 12% alcohol wine could have started with 26% sugar grapes and still be sweet. You can't know anything other than the description of dry, semi-dry, etc. unless you have a sugar test kit. Since grape juice is OK, I wonder how much harm the residual sugar in wine would cause. If the grapes are low sugar at harvest time, sugar can be added during fermentation. In that case, any residual sugar could be part sucrose. So I suppose that only drinking wine with no residual sugar would be the best way to know for sure. Tom on Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:31 -0800, Lucy Rosset wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>I drink the occasional (2-3 >>drinks a >>week max) dry or semi-dry wine >Jeff, >I have discussed the wine issue with Elaine and I know that she would >rather we stick with the VERY DRY only. Apparently, the higher the >alcohol content, the drier the wine. I try not to buy anything below 12.5 >% alcohol content, if possible I'll get 13%. Most chardonnays are dry >enough, as are most carbernet sauvignons, merlots, and several other red >wines. Just check the alcohol content on the label. >I also indulge in vodka and fresh squeezed orange juice without any >trouble. Obviously it isn't wise to get carried away with the drinking. >Everything in moderation... >Lucy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:05:47 +0100 From: Bernt Johansson <etxbtjn@sta.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: More yoghurt Message-ID: <3460B57B.383C@sta.ericsson.se> Hello William. Could you please specify what you would like me to comment. I'm not so sure that we have the same edition of the book, because in my book (from February 1997), the first paragraph on page 50 starts with: The strictness of this diet...... I don't think there's much else to say than what Elaine herself says at the bottom of the same paragraph: ...follow it with fanatical adherence. Do that!! I've tried cheating a few times and I sure didn't like the result of it. Bernt Johansson William Laing wrote: > > Hello Bernt > > So nice to hear from Sweden. > I would be intrested in hearing your opinions on the first pharagraph, page > five zero (50) of Breaking the Vicioius Cycle. > > William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:22:45 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <l03010d01b08669d99bd3@[206.112.46.13]> Dear Tom, Neat! Thanks for the wine lesson. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:30:11 -0500 From: jacentab@hunterlab.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Oops Message-ID: <199711051830.NAA00292@troi.hunterlab.com> Oops, I hope that I haven't hurt anyone's feelings by posting a medical article. I just read through some old postings and realized (belatedly) that this site is just for SCD information. I'll stick to only that in the future. It's my first experience with a mail group and I'm still learning. Jacenta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:49:06 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984611612B@LOGIXMAIL> If Elaine could package the SCD diet as a patented drug, it would be a multi billion dollar drug!! The cholesterol reducing drugs, when they work, decrease cholesterol 5-10%, with side affects and no scientific correlation with decreased heart attacks. Glenn, this is awesome. Don't let it go too low though! Eat your butter and eggs! :-) pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn L. Rung [SMTP:backpack@cyberlynk.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:23 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat, > > Before SCD, my cohlesterol was close to 300. After 2 months on the > diet it > was about 210. > > Glenn > > Pat said, > > ->Good info Glen. As Joan posted here earlier, it is sugar and > refined > >flours that drive cholesterol up, not fat and cholesterol bearing > food. > >Just curious, what was you cholesterol before and after SCD? What > did > >your doc consider "normal"? > > > >pat > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:54:54 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: something evil Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984611612F@LOGIXMAIL> thats cool. Thanks for sharing that! You son is a neat kid. Congrats! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us [SMTP:aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 1:08 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: something evil > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I sat down at the computer tonight after a long night of > cooking > and baking, and i found a stack of papers that Matthew had left when > he was > doing his homework earlier this evening. They were compositions for > his > english class, memoirs. One dealt with his old rocking horse which he > still > remembers fondly, the other was a surprise. It was called "Something > Evil," > and it was about his experience this year with the thing that has come > to > dominate our lives: Crohn's Disease, and about the diet he is on now > as > aresult. I'm typing it up so that I can have it later. My 12 year old > is > one great kid. I wanted to share it for some reason > > > "Something Evil" > > Something evil got into me this year, into my stomach. And I > couldn't run, and I couldnt wear my shoes, had to wear sandals every > day. > > Frustrating? You don't know about frustrating. This thing wasn't my > fault, > but that still did'nt change the fact that it was there, and I could > do > nothing at all to fix it. > > We kept going to the doctor for all kinds of checkups. There > was > even a time when I couldn't eat solid food for two days. Somehow, that > got > scheduled for the day we had pizza on a school field trip. They had > pizza. > > And then came steroids. A mild amount, but that's what they > were. > Boy. did I feel great! I thought I was all better; until we started > edging > off the medication a week at a time. Turns out steroids don't exactly > have > a lasting effect. > > Things happened real slow, but I'm better now (knock on wood). > Of > course I can't eat a lot of foods, especially stuff that's not made at > my > house. I guess that's just yet another challenge in my life. I never > thought I'd be on a diet at age twelve, but if it means I get to be me > again, believe me, I'll get used to it. > > Matthew Hooker-Agvanian > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 13:01:59 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <9711051901.AA19592@swansong.amd.com> ----- Begin Included Message ----- Glenn, this is awesome. Don't let it go too low though! Eat your butter and eggs! :-) ----- End Included Message ----- as has been recently stated on this list, low cholesterol levels lead to problems, but is that true if you are eating a healthy diet , the data that says it's a problem for sure wasn't from people who ate the SCD diet, so its hard to tell what is the best level. i have read that cholesterol is regulated in the cell (not in the blood) execess blood levels are reduced when insulin (sugar) is low, the cell goes to its membrane and gets it from the blood, in the presence of high levels of insulin the cell simply makes its own cholesterol. of course you can still have a glycemic event by eating too much protein at any one time, its not just the simple/complex sugars that can spike your insulin level. ted ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:07:36 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: DCCC vs Bakers cheese Message-ID: <199711052040.MAA26329@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Hi all, While shopping today I made a note of the ingredients in both Dry Curd Cottage Cheese and Bakers Cheese. Also peeked under the lid to not the visible differences. The brand name on both products was Formost. DCCC - Milk ingredients, Microbial enzymes and Bacterial Culture. Bakers Cheese - Milk ingredients, Bacterial Culture, Rennet, Potassium Sorbate. DCCC has a cottage cheese look without any of the moisture. Bakers Cheese was creamy like a riccotta. Here in Vancouver where Formost is one of the 'big' suppliers of dairy products I would say that these two products are completely different. For your information :-) Barb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <971105145053_1136905214@emout03.mail.aol.com> Tom, Thanks for the wine education! Question: when I go out with friends for dinner I usually want only 1 or 2 glasses of red wine. The people at the table don't usually want to order a whole bottle of very dry wine, so I'm stuck just getting a glass of what the house has - I usually get carbernet because I think its drier than merlot. Does it make much difference? What would be a good choice? Thank-you, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <971105150029_2103628308@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Ted, Like to ask a question. Among other things, I suffer from hypoglycemia and have moderate high cholesterol (240). Do you think the scd diet will take care of that? I'm so tired of being tired. Thanks, Jane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:29:24 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846119936@LOGIXMAIL> Ted, Don't know for sure. All I know is that I have read a couple of different books on it and nobody seems to know what normal is anymore since the cholesterol scare. Huggins said that his observations after reading over 1 million blood tests was that 220-225 was what he considers normal and in fact aims his patient at that level. Says on the diet he considers to be healthful, that his patients inevitably head towards that balance whether they were low or high. Says many other researces have concluded this same range for many decades? Eggs and butter are both acceptable SCD foods. Best I know... pat > -----Original Message----- > From: ted.kyle@vantis.com [SMTP:ted.kyle@vantis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 12:02 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > Glenn, this is awesome. Don't let it go too low though! Eat your > butter and eggs! :-) > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > > as has been recently stated on this list, low cholesterol levels lead > to > problems, but is that true if you are eating a healthy diet , the data > that says it's a problem for sure wasn't from people who ate the SCD > diet, > so its hard to tell what is the best level. i have read that > cholesterol is regulated > in the cell (not in the blood) execess blood levels are reduced when > insulin (sugar) > is low, the cell goes to its membrane and gets it from the blood, in > the presence > of high levels of insulin the cell simply makes its own cholesterol. > of course > you can still have a glycemic event by eating too much protein at any > one time, its > not just the simple/complex sugars that can spike your insulin level. > > > ted ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:33:14 -0500 From: Fiona Grapp <fionag@umich.edu> To: Scd-list@longisland.com Subject: SDC - Spanish Cheese Question Message-ID: <s46091dd.024@umich.edu> Does anyone know if Spanish cheese is okay on the SCD? It has the same consistency as farmers cheese (DCCC) but tastes a little tarter. I don't know much about it because I buy it at Arabic markets here in Detroit and usually only the words "spanish cheese" are written in English. If anybody knows I'd love to get an answer. It's a mild cheese that makes great cheese fajitas (now without the tortilla's but it would still be yummy!) Fiona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 15:06:42 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <9711052106.AA19627@swansong.amd.com> OK, thanks, i get it, the 220-225 is what you get from eating healthy diets. ----- Begin Included Message ----- From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Nov 5 14:31:23 1997 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:29:24 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: SCD-list@longisland.com Content-Length: 2078 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted, Don't know for sure. All I know is that I have read a couple of different books on it and nobody seems to know what normal is anymore since the cholesterol scare. Huggins said that his observations after reading over 1 million blood tests was that 220-225 was what he considers normal and in fact aims his patient at that level. Says on the diet he considers to be healthful, that his patients inevitably head towards that balance whether they were low or high. Says many other researces have concluded this same range for many decades? Eggs and butter are both acceptable SCD foods. Best I know... pat > -----Original Message----- > From: ted.kyle@vantis.com [SMTP:ted.kyle@vantis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 12:02 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > Glenn, this is awesome. Don't let it go too low though! Eat your > butter and eggs! :-) > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > > as has been recently stated on this list, low cholesterol levels lead > to > problems, but is that true if you are eating a healthy diet , the data > that says it's a problem for sure wasn't from people who ate the SCD > diet, > so its hard to tell what is the best level. i have read that > cholesterol is regulated > in the cell (not in the blood) execess blood levels are reduced when > insulin (sugar) > is low, the cell goes to its membrane and gets it from the blood, in > the presence > of high levels of insulin the cell simply makes its own cholesterol. > of course > you can still have a glycemic event by eating too much protein at any > one time, its > not just the simple/complex sugars that can spike your insulin level. > > > ted ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:06:53 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's Info. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971105130653.006b8658@smartt.com> Dear Moira: You've told us briefly about "Dr Wakefield in the U.K, has found Crohn's to be linked to the MMR vaccine which turns the intestine into hamburger-meat-like texture", and his efforts, despite the "establishment's" opposition, to use soil-based bacteria to heal the situation ... so don't keep us hanging! Track this guy down, or some on-line papers on his ideas, and share the details with us! Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:16:46 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971105131646.006bd030@smartt.com> At 03:00 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ted, >Like to ask a question. Among other things, I suffer from hypoglycemia and >have moderate high cholesterol (240). Do you think the scd diet will take >care of that? I'm so tired of being tired. Thanks, Jane. > > Jane: I'm not Ted, but I'll reply anyway: read "The Zone" by Barry Sears, he lays that connection out better than anyone I've ever read. Short answer: yes, and especially if you make sure to get plenty of "good fats" (olive oil, butter, avocado, animal fats except hardened ones) into it Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:14:44 -0500 From: jsafam@juno.com (S Albert) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: New person Message-ID: <19971105.161521.16758.0.jsafam@juno.com> Hi! Someone I know through a mothers' group locally referred me to the SCD. I am having once-twice daily diarrhea which seems to be a complete system flush, a small amount of bleeding, stomach cramps, fatigue, nipple thrush (though I haven't been nursing for almost 3 months), and private parts itching. I have been following the diet faithfully since 10/19/97, along with taking a supplement called Paragone and Parazyme for possible parasites. Things seem to be improving slightly thanks to the diet- I am no longer consuming vast quantities of food with weight loss/difficulty maintaining, am not always starving, and the fatigue has gotten somewhat better. Still have sleep problems. I don't have an official diagnosis, although the colonoscopy biopsy results indicate chronic inflammatory disease. My gastro doc believess I have a bacterial infection or Crohns or colitis. Because I have had pretty severe yeast problems, I am reluctant to take Cipro (antibiotic). I have taken 2 rounds of goldenseal root (herb), which is a strong antibiotic (without the yeast proliferation problem) and nothing really changed. My questions, for anyone who can help me, are: Are there a lot of people with Crohns/colitis who also are afflicted with candida? Are the two related? Do they go hand in hand? Have others found that antibiotic therapy is ever really beneficial in this situation? Are those with Crohns/UC and candida problems able to eat cheese or any dairy products? Additionally, the person who directed me to this diet wants to know if you are allowed to have raisins, since grapes are contraindicated. (My friend doesn't have an internet connection.) I am so glad to have found this site. Thanks to the people who started it and maintain it. It is a godsend. Stacia in Maryland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:28:40 -0500 From: jsafam@juno.com (S Albert) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: I forget to say something... Message-ID: <19971105.162842.16758.2.jsafam@juno.com> My gastro advised me to take the Cipro for 10 days, then go to azulfadine (sp?) if the Cipro didn't work. He doesn't really seem to know exactly what he's treating, so it makes me doubly reluctant to take the cipro, just to take it to see if it MIGHT work. Thanks. Stacia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:15:04 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <l03110700b0869f42e6e9@[206.40.74.48]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Moira, Re Dry Curd Cottage Cheese in the Bay area, you're in luck!!!! I live in the Bay Area, Marin County, and in SF you can get it from Country Cheese Co. 415 Divisadero St. SF 94117 tele. # 621-8130 They will ship frozen, also. And, I understand their prices are more reasonable than some of the other stores in the Bay Area, i.e., Whole Foods, $4.49/lb.; Andronico's, $5.99/lb! I called Friendship Dairies (no. on page 147 of the Book) under New York State, and talked to someone in the lab who told me that it is made with skimmed milk and has less than l/2 of 1 percent of lactose in it; 99% fat free, and tastes wonderful...this brand...very mild and soft-tasting. Good luck, Prateeksha In addition >Dear Lucy, > >My son is helping me in the kitchen. His favorite task is helping with green >beans, he cuts off the ends (with a dull knife!) He also loves helping when >I do the food processor, I let him turn it on for me. > >Somewhere I read that the average housewife used to spend 2 to 3 hours per >day on food preparation. Now it is under 20 minutes. > >I think I am up to about 8 hours per day of food preparation--just >kidding--but it seems like it by comparison. Bye bye Burger King. > >Moira > >ps Does anyone know where to get dry curd cottage cheese in the San >Francisco Bay Area? Also, can a child have it who is allergic to dairy?? Are >there any people here on the list who live in the Bay Area?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:30:05 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <88256546.0080D11A.00@baxworld.com> Jane, Read your message about hypoglycemia. I too have Low Blood Sugar. I've been on the SCD since Sept. 27th and I can say that I immediately began feeling more energetic. However, I still need to eat protein between meals and I try to have a piece of fruit late in the afternoon so I can make it until dinner time. My doctor told me I can (or should) eat protein up to 5 times a day. When I do that I don't experience any of the shakes or faintness from the low blood sugar. Just FYI Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:35:19 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <88256546.00813866.00@baxworld.com> Dietmar, You have mentioned the book "The Zone" several times. It sounds very interesting so when I was at the health food store last night I looked for it in their book section. The have 2 different books by Barry Sears; 1- "Enter The Zone", copyright 1995; and "Mastering The Zone copyright 1997. Each was marked as $25.00 USD. Which one should I get or both? - Which should I read first? And do you think I could find them less expensive? They were hardbound versions. Suggestions welcome, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:45:43 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: slow improvement on SCD The answer to the big "D" Message-ID: <l03110703b086abdadc65@[206.40.74.43]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello JP53450@aol.com (no name) Are these roots starches? If not, I'm interested. Prateeksha >Alright folks I've been holding out. Ive been on the diet for almost 11 >months and think that I have a solution to the big "D". Now this may not >work for everyone and I certainly dont represent any herbal stores, but I >recently went to a herbal store and found a product that has completely taken >the "D" out of my BM's. > >I originally went to get some psyillium because I thought that would >help---But the clerk suggested a product called CLT-X which consists of >slippery elm bark, marshmellow root, dong quai root, and some yam root,. and >ginger root. What a beautiful combination-it worked like magic. The product >I take is made by Natures Sunshine and I hope it works for you as well as it >did for me. > >I have unsubscribed because my E-mails have become too plenty, and I seem to >get many messages twice. If anyone wants any further information you can >personally E-mail me at jps3450@aol.com > > >Good luck >By the way I have UC for 15 years and think that SCD is healing me. To those >of you that are considering cheating.....DONT DO IT!!! > >Love, J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:46:07 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dry curd cottage cheese in SF Message-ID: <l03110701b086a65e92af@[206.40.74.43]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Steve, Who's the local supplier of almond flour, in the Bay Area? Prateeksha >Moira, >As a matter of fact, ther are other members in the SF bay area. I live in >SF, Prateeksha is in San Rafael, and there may be others as well. My son >matthew(12) was diagnossed with CD earlier this year, so I also am here as >the parent of a dieter. Anyway I buy baker's cheese in San Francisco at a >cheese store at 415 Divisadero called The Country Cheese Co. The phone # >is:621-8130. If your son is allergic to lactose, then this cheese should be >OK. There is almost none in it. If he is allergic to milk protein or >something like that, then it might be a different story. I also have a >local supplier of almond flour if you are interested. >Good luck, >Steve > >"Listening to the monotonous stacatto of raindrops on the window sill, and >reading my name on my office window: REGNAD KCIN" > Nick Danger, Third Eye ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:46:25 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: BIG THANK-YOU!! Message-ID: <l03110700b080251dcf21@[206.40.74.48]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jan, Although I have one wonderful sister, I wish I had another just like you to support me the way you are supporting with such love your sister. Prateeksha >Dear FANTASTIC list members, >Today you all receive a GIANT hug and kiss from a very grateful sister >of a CD sufferer. >Karen is 30 yrs old and was diagnosed with CD at age 18. She has had 5 >operations, >bowel resections, fistula problems, etc. You all know the score. And she >puts up with >at least 5 to 6 hospital stays per year. However, this past June, her CD >became worse >than ever (terrible D, joint pain that could not be controlled, etc.) >Her doctors >decided their only course of action was to up her predinisone levels >considerably to >stop the D and then cut the dosage in half. This brought on severe >migraine headaches >that not even Demerol or morphine could stop. > >Unfortunately, my sister has always tried to deny the existence of her >disease and >blindly follow whatever her doctors prescribed. But I was tired of >seeing the pro- >fessionals use her as their prime guinea pig, and went to work on my own >seeking out >new info on the net (somehow that sounds rather Star-Trek like, doesn't >it?) Luckily, >I stumbled onto this group and ordered Elaine's book. > >Karen is currently without-computer, so I sent her "THE BOOK" and have >been bombarding >her ever since with copies of your postings via snail-mail. I ordered a >yogurt maker >from Williams Sonoma, ordered the almond nut flour from Hughsons and >found sources for >the dry curd cheese. > >After two months, she has finally started the SCD and I'm anxiously >awaiting word of >how it is going for her. I will keep you posted and also pass on any >questions she has. > >FINALLY, I must thank you all again!!! It was not my "nagging" that >convinced her to >take back her own health and try something new, but all the messages >from people who >have "been there". I think she's always felt so alone with her CD, she >has never >talked with other people who have it. The change in her attitude has >been remarkable. > >P.S. I'm sure you get tired of being asked this, but any words of >encouragement you could offer Karen would be GREATLY appreciated. You >are all my Heroes!! Thanks!! > >A sincerely grateful sister, > >Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:47:12 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Fwd: Health Freedoms at Stake Message-ID: <l03110708b086b0c9051f@[206.40.74.43]> Hi Everyone, I realize this is terribly lengthy, but feel it to be very important. First, it came from my network chiro; then from a friend who is very supportive of the holistic approch to healing. Prateeksha >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:37:29 -0500 (EST) >From: WMidwife@aol.com >To: prateeksha@infoasis.com >cc: premzee@juno.com >Subject: Fwd: Health Freedoms at Stake > >Scary. I think it's worth trying to put in our 2 cents. Can you find the time >to do whatever feels good to you about this? > >Love, Nartana >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: gaiavita@gn.apc.org >To: gaiavita@gn.apc.org >Date: 97-11-01 19:08:02 EST > > >Greetings everyone.... > >This was just received and I invite you to participate in this action if >you are drawn to do so. This impacts all of us in the Holistic Health >Fields. Thank you for your participation. > >Warm thoughts, > >Vita > >Please direct this mail to everyone you can think of ASAP! It concerns >the right to use vitamin supplements and therapeutic dosages of herbal >remedies, food supplements and generally all forms of healing methods based >on >non-pharmaceutical approaches! It is NO JOKE. We are about to lose our >hard won health freedoms RIGHT NOW. This message has been updated 10/21/97. > >YOU MAY LOSE THE RIGHT TO YOUR VITAMINS, HERBS, AND OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IN >LESS THAN TWO WEEKS!!! >An insidious bill, called the CODEX LAW or CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, has >already been sneaked through both the Senate and the House of Representatives >in >record time. It has been passed by both houses. The Codex is a nutrition >code to set worldwide standards for foods, drugs, pesticides and their >trade. The latest German proposal includes the following provisions: > >1. No vitamin, mineral, herb or food supplement can be sold for >preventative or therapeutic use. > 2. None sold as a food can exceed dosage levels set by the Commission. For >example, 50 mg of vitamin C is the top dosage sold in Germany today. >3. CODEX regulations for dietary supplements would become legally >binding in the USA through the GATT Treaty, which would involve enormous >fines in America if we did not comply. >4. All new dietary supplements will be banned unless they pass the >CODEX approval process. You can imagine what that means. > >The wording in the Congressional Bill uses the term "harmonization" which >means that most senators and congresspersons are likely not aware of the >implications. The delegates that make up and decide on the CODEX mandates >are made up of 90% of the giant Multi-national Pharmaceutical corporations. >The drug >companies want to monopolize and create pharmaceutical versions of the >Natural healthfood and nutrient business throughout the world. An >example of the consequences: possession of DHEA is now a felony in Canada >with >the same penalty as that for possession of drugs. You could go to jail for >having DHEA in your house. > >You have LESS THAN 10 DAYS to save your vitamins! The latest development as >of 10/18/97 is that the House and Senate are now voting on a 3rd merged >version of the Codex Bill. (The House Companion Bill). > >What you need to do now is very simple. >1. First, pick up your phone and call 1-800-972-3524. This is the >Congressional switchboard. Leave a message for your Senators AND your >Representatives. Request that the Harmonization Language in the FDA >Reform Bill be amended when it goes to the Conference Committee. State that >you >oppose to Codex Bill and any attempt to regulate nutritioinal supplements as >drugs. This committee, as far as we know, will be meeting THIS WEEK, the >week of 10/21. Also state that you request a public comments period >concerning the harmonization agreements. >2. Please telephone, fax, and email everyone you can think of. Make a >phone tree. Email everyone on your list. Send them this information and >ask them to make calls as well. To stay updated on what to do, email >Jham@concentric.net and request to be put in his distribution list. Or, >call John Hammel at 1-800-333-2553 for a recorded message. (I believe >this is the correct email address. Try all lower case if it doesn't work. >The address is given in John's phone message.) > >You can read the information below if you wish. But the important >thing is to act, before it's too late. > >CODEX: What does it mean? >Although written by a prominent Canadian M.D., the article below, one of >the best we have read on the topic, was distributed by a U.S. group seeking >to stop the CODEX in the U.S. The CODEX affects the U.S., Canada, and all >member nations of the U.N. We urge you to read it and decide if maybe, just >maybe, it's finally time for you to use the democractic process TODAY to >preserve the future of you and your family TOMORROW. > >"If you value freedom of choice in health care, it may still not be too >late for you to help stop the pending world wide suppression of >Complementary Medicine. If the Codex Alimentarius (Nutrition Code) >Commission has its way, then herbs, vitamins, minerals, homeopathic >remedies, amino acids and other natural remedies you have taken for granted >most of your life will be gone. The name of the game for Codex is to shift >all remedies under the prescription category that would be controlled >exclusively by the medical monopoly and its bosses, the major >pharmaceutical firms. This scenario, predictably, has been denied by both >the Canadian Health Food Association (CHFA) and the Health Protection >Branch >(HPB or Hocus Pocus Bunch). Do not for one second believe these people. Let >me explain: > >No, Codex is not a new sanitary napkin. Nor is it a benign group of >boring bureaucrats. It is officially known as the United Nations/World Health >Organization (WHO) Codex Alimentarius (Nutrition Code) Commission. It meets >every 2 years, usually in Rome, and very little has appeared about it in >the media. Nevertheless, documentation supports the possibility that Codex >is the greatest threat to health freedom in the world today. Most of the >information we have on this secretive group can be found on the >Internet. Codex is empowered by governments to set standards of >operation for the health industry. Over 90% of the international >organizations allowed to send delegates to the meetings represent giant >multinational pharmaceutical corporations. The only consumer organization >is the International Organization of Consumer Unions. Neither the natural >health >care industry nor the general public has any representation at Codex >meetings. > >In October, 1996, Codex met in Bonn, Germany to make radical changes in >the rules governing dietary supplements for member nations. The proposals >of greatest concern were those made by the German delegation (Proposed >Draft Guidelines for Dietary Supplements) and is being sponsored by >Hoechst, Bayer and BASF. These are the three drug companies formed when the >Nurenberg War Trials >disbanded IG Farben, manufacturer of the poison gas used in Nazi >concentration camps. This is not the first time that the U.N. has been >linked closely with Nazi war criminals. Ostensibly, their purpose is >"....create a set of international standards to guide the world's growing >food industry and to protect the health of consumers." > >If you really believe that, I have some ocean front property for you at >half price in Saskatoon. > >The drug company backed proposals call for the following: > >No vitamin, mineral, herb, etc., can be sold for prophylactic >(preventative) or therapeutic reasons. >Natural remedies can be sold as food but they must not exceed the >potency (dosage) levels set by the commission. This means that consumer >access to dietary supplements will be limited to the RDA dosage as a >maximum limit for vitamins (vitamin C - 60 mg, vitamin E - 15 mg, etc.). >Supplements without an RDA (e.g. coenzyme Q10) would be illegal to sell >because they would all become drugs. > >Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding, >eliminating the escape clause within the General Agreement of Tariffs >and Trade (GATT) that allows a nation to set its own standards. This >applies to all member countries of the U.N. Any nation that does not accept >and apply these new standards will be heavily fined by the World Trade >Organization (WTO) creating the potential of crippling entire sectors of >that nation's economy. > >All new supplements would be banned unless they go through the Codex >approval process. Five steps have already been taken in the Codex process >over the past few years. Remember Canadian Bill C-7 which was passed >eventually in Canada as C-8? The similarity of the process, the secrecy and >the wording between the Codex proposals and the Canadian laws is uncanny. >Voting in favour of adopting the German proposal has been overwhelming (16 >for and 2 against >in the most recent vote). The Codex process is now at Step Five- >formalization and debate concerning the specific features. In two years, >Codex could jump from step 5 to step 8 to finalize these restrictions. > >The Codex proposals already exist as law in Norway and Germany where the >entire health food industry has literally been taken over by the drug >companies. In these countries, vitamin C above 200 mg is illegal as is >vitamin E above 45 IU, Vitamin B1 over 2.4 mg and so on. Shering-Plough, >the Norway pharmaceutical giant, now controls an echinacea tincture which >is being sold there as an OTC drug at grossly inflated prices. The same is >true of ginkgo and many other herbs and only one government controlled >pharmacy has the right to import supplements as medicines which they can >sell to health food stores, convenience stores, or pharmacies. > >According to Dr.Matthias Rath, researcher and author who discovered a >correlation between vitamin C deficiency and heart disease, the three >Nazi-linked drug companies pushing so hard for the German proposal, >Hoechst, Bayer and BASF, are also manufacturers of heart drugs. Obviously, >with the vitamin competition gone, nothing will stop their profits. > >Yes, very much so. According to John C. Hammell, legal advocate for the >U.S. based Life Extension Foundation, the Nazi-linked proposals have the >backing of Canadian and French Codex commission representatives. In June of >1996, the Codex Executive committee will be creating an expert panel on >herbs which is likely to generate a negative list to prevent public access >to certain herbs internationally (see the list below). The formation of >this expert panel was advocated by none other than the Canadian >representatives. Why then are the HPB and the CHFA denying that the Codex >proposals will have no impact on the >availability of nutritional supplements in Canada? Either spokespersons for >these two groups are ignorant about the proposals or they are lying to the >public in order to protect drug company profits. After all, several voting >members of the CHFA are owned by or are subsidiaries of major drug >manufacturers >or pharmaceutical chains. Neither group can be trusted to give the public >straight answers about the Codex scam. They are in a clear conflict of >interest since they stand to gain financially when the supplement prices >are boosted out the roof. Further evidence of Canadian involvement is the >HPB (Hocus Pocus Bunch) position on what is or is not a food or a drug. >This bunch is >either cleverly devious about their support of pharmaceutical concerns or >just plain dumb. For example, garlic, ginger, licorice and peppermint are >considered to be foods when sold as spices. If a grocery store manager >makes claims for their therapeutic effects, they then become drugs via a >hocus pocus mechanism which remains to be defined. As it now stands in >Canada (and this changes on a regular basis given the current mood, blood >sugar level or whims of officials at the HPB) the following list of >currently available health food store nutritional supplements are >considered nebulously to be either a drug, a drug even in the >absence of claims or a new drug with claims > >Aloe vera >Astragalus >Bilberry >Capsicum >Cascara sagrada >Cat's claw >Chamomile >Dong Quai >Echinacea augustifolia >Echinacea purpurea >Ephedra (Ma huang) >Feverfew >Garlic >Ginger >Ginkgo biloba >Ginseng >Golden Seal >Gotu Kola >Hawthorne >Kava Kava >Licorice >Milk Thistle >Pau D'arco (Taheebo) >Peppermint >Psyllium >Sarsaparilla >Saw palmetto >Yohimbe > >This list is likely to expand over the next two years. >If the Codex and the HPB have their way, your favorite supplements >will be replaced by expensive, patented, over-the-counter or prescription >drugs. >Just look what has already happened to amino acids like tryptophan. Once >available for under $20 for a bottle of 100 tablets of 500 mgs. at your >local health food store, the same tablet is now only available by >prescription at a cost of over $120 at your pharmacy. On top of that, in >order to get a prescription for tryptophan, you will have to convince your >doctor to give you one. This is easier said than done simply because most >medical doctors have no clue what tryptophan does or believe it to be >toxic. Project this shallow >thinking on to the herbs listed above and it becomes quite clear that >public access to natural remedies will be a thing of the past." > >For more information, documentation and a plan of action to fight the >Codex proposals, contact: >John Hammell, Legislative Advocate, The Life Extension Foundation >2411 Monroe St. #2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA >Telephone: 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905 >Fax: 954-929-0507 >E-mail: Jham@concentric.net >Internet web site: http://www/lef.org/lef/index.html > > >>>>>>Suzanne Mac Lean >>>>>>Please contact me at >>>>>>suzannemac@juno.com OR >>>>>>suzanne@buncombe.main.nc.us > >>>>>Subject: (fwd) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:47:29 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: something evil Message-ID: <l03110709b086b1ad3abb@[206.40.74.43]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Steve and Rachel, Yes, I agree with Rachel...some kid you've got there. And tears came to my eyes as I deleted your message, then came Rachel's and her remarks re encouraging him to keep writing I thought very valid...I write in a journal every morning and have done for about 2 mos. or more and I find that all kinds of emotional stuff is emerging re my intestinal disorder and connected to it! Very intersting stuff coming up and I feel cleansed each day as I flush the journal paper down the toilet! Quite a process and very helpful for me. I am healing on many different levels and for me, this is necessary. Prateeksha >Dear Steve, >I'm trying to type this with this giant lump lodged in my throat. Quite >some kid you've got there. I would encourage him to continue writing. First >of all he's obviously got a knack for expression, but most importantly >writing can be an invaluable tool for him to cope with his "evil". Thanks >for sharing it. >Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <971105174046_-1641053683@emout07.mail.aol.com> Thanks Dietmar! I read Sears book actually (a while ago) but was fustrated trying to follow the diet and was having trouble with grains so I forgot about what I read. Jane ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #91 **********************
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