SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Thu, 6 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 92 In this issue: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" TREATMENT OF ACTIVE CROHN'S DISEASE WITH HEPARIN Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" scd pemmican Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" ALMOND FLOUR IN SF re:re:Something Evil SCD and antifungals Re: scd Re: SCD and antifungals Re: SCD and antifungals Re: wine anyone? Re: wine anyone? Re: wine anyone? RE: SCD and antifungals Re: I forget to say something... Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Yogurt Treat Re: Elaine's comments -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:14:09 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971105161409.0069c3c4@smartt.com> At 07:05 PM 11/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks Dietmar! I read Sears book actually (a while ago) but was fustrated >trying to follow the diet and was having trouble with grains so I forgot >about what I read. Jane > > I read it (3x, actually, to get a real handle on the scientific explanations he gives about e.g. the insulin-glucagon system) more for his explanations about the variouis hormone cascades / pathways; that area of his writing was MOST relevant to me, rather than his diet (although the gist of his diet is pretty simple to explain: "eat more good fats, eat less refined carbo's, eat adequate protein, and don't beat yourself up for not following the 'diet fad of the month'") Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:22:50 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971105162250.0069c374@smartt.com> At 03:35 PM 11/5/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Dietmar, > >You have mentioned the book "The Zone" several times. It sounds very >interesting so when I was at the health food store last night I looked for >it in their book section. The have 2 different books by Barry Sears; 1- >"Enter The Zone", copyright 1995; and "Mastering The Zone copyright 1997. > >Each was marked as $25.00 USD. Which one should I get or both? - I don't know. The book I read was simply called "The Zone", neither entering nor mastering it ... I guess he "diversified his assets" after putting out his first book? Why not call someone who works with nutrition (nutritionist at a hospital? local naturopath? health food book store owner?) and ask them which they think should be read first or which you don't need to bother reading? Maybe the second one has more recipes or something (I think I read something to that effect on his website, but don't quote me on it, it's been 5 months since I looked at it ... I was trying to ask him a question about bufallo meat, but he never replied, probably overhwelmed by e-mails & a question that's "too far out"!). >Which >should I read first? And do you think I could find them less expensive? As any bookstore; it's a best-seller, they're usually published as hardcovers first, then, when that demand abates, they switch to putting out paperback versions; or maybe there's a used-book store you could check with. (How old are you, just out of curiosity?) >They were hardbound versions. > >Suggestions welcome, > >Linda > > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 18:42:09 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <9711060042.AA19641@swansong.amd.com> my wife and i are on the zone diet for 1.5 years now, i have both books, i would read the "Enter The Zone" to find out why sears thinks the diet works, and if i actually went on the diet i would buy the "Mastering The Zone" because there are some important tips in the latter that would have saved us some suffering during the first six months, also the latter book has some dietary adjustments on the portion sizes and minimum quantity of food for small women that came for the HMO study in san antonio texas, he also outlines three phases of commitment to the diet, and i know people who simply who follow the zone by not eating starches or sugars and they lose weight and their blood pressure falls to youthful levels, it is very hard to eat too much in the way of veggies. you can also get an intro to the diet at http://www.enterthezone.com/whatis ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Nov 5 17:37:25 1997 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: BAX From: "Linda" To: SCD-list@longisland.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:35:19 -0700 Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: SCD-list@longisland.com Content-Length: 663 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dietmar, You have mentioned the book "The Zone" several times. It sounds very interesting so when I was at the health food store last night I looked for it in their book section. The have 2 different books by Barry Sears; 1- "Enter The Zone", copyright 1995; and "Mastering The Zone copyright 1997. Each was marked as $25.00 USD. Which one should I get or both? - Which should I read first? And do you think I could find them less expensive? They were hardbound versions. Suggestions welcome, Linda ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:50:18 -0700 From: "Linda" To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <88256547.000430A3.00@baxworld.com> Ted, Thanks for the information. > i would read the "Enter The Zone" to find out why sears thinks the diet works, and if i actually > went on the diet i would buy the "Mastering The Zone" I got the impression such was the case. The "Enter The Zone" appeared to explain the concept and "Mastering" had lots of recipes. I will check ou the web site. Regards, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 18:57:58 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: TREATMENT OF ACTIVE CROHN'S DISEASE WITH HEPARIN Message-ID: <9711060057.AA19645@swansong.amd.com> TITLE: [65] TREATMENT OF ACTIVE CROHN'S DISEASE WITH HEPARIN AUTHORS: J.L. Dupas, F. Brazier, T. Yzet, B. Roussel, J.C. Duchmann, F. Iglicki, Department of Gastroenterology, University Hospital, Amiens, France BODY: It has been suggested that microvascular thrombosis related to vasculitis and procoagulant factors activation may contribute to the pathogenesis of Crohn's disease (CD). Anticoagulant and antiinflammatory properties of heparin may be useful in the treatment of active inflammatory bowel diseases. The aim of this study was to investigate the potential efficacy of heparin in the treatment of active CD. Methods: 13 patients (9 F, 4 M; age 16-31 yr) with active CD (Crohn's disease activity index, CDAI > 200) were included in the open-label study. Disease activity was clinically and endoscopically assessed before treatment. Disease extended only to the colon in 3 patients and to the colon and terminal ileum in the 10 other patients. Eight patients had chronic active CD treated by azathioprine and/or prednisolone for at least 3 months; drug doses were not altered in the 3 weeks period before and were continued at the dose used at entry, throughout the 4-weeks study period. Patients were administered heparin, either intravenously (IV) 3000u/4hrs for 1 week and subcutaneously (SC) (calcium heparinate) 0.1 ml/10kg b.i.d. for the following 3 weeks (n=7), or SC 0.1 ml/10kg b.i.d. for 4 weeks (n=6). Concomitant treatment with other drugs was not allowed during the study. All patients were clinically and biologically evaluated every week for the 4-weeks treatment period and followed up every 2 weeks for 2 months after the end of heparin treatment. Results: After 4-weeks treatment, 7/13 patients (54 %) fulfill the remission criteria (CDAI < 150) and 3 other patients reported significant clinical improvement ([Delta-bar] CDAI>100); 3 patients failed to respond. The mean CDAI decreased from 315 (95%CI:260-369) before treatment to 165 (95%CI:107-222) at the end of heparin treatment (p<0.004). The mean C-reactive protein decreased from 80.5 mg/l (95%CI:45-115) before treatment to 35 mg/l (95%CI:18-52) (p<0.007) after 1-week treatment. Slight increase of rectal bleeding due to overdosage of heparin was observed in 2 patients leading to discontinuation of treatment in one of them. Among responders, 6 patients were still in remission 3 months after the end of treatment and 1 patient had a relapse at week 6. Conclusions: These results suggest that heparin treatment may be effective in patients with active CD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <971105205031_2116801895@mrin40.mail.aol.com> Thanks Linda, I try to eat that protein. I found myself making the scd cranola because it has a lot of honey in it and I thought it helped (had chicken salad first!) Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:19:02 EST From: thesmiths5@juno.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: scd Message-ID: <19971105.221144.5191.2.Thesmiths5@juno.com> After about three weeks, my husband had to get off the diet, due to bleeding, weakness and weight loss. I thought he was doing better, but he didn't, and he's the one who knows. I felt terrible seeing him so weak, because this was my idea and he went along with it. He was eating eggs - maybe that's why it didn't work. I was encouraged reading this list and I'm disappointed because I believe it could work. Elaine's book was the first thing I ever read on UC that made sense. I don't know what's next - been through four years of drugs, and he's still in pain, rarely goes out because of the diarrhea. Good luck to those still persevering - it's not easy. Margaret ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:27:53 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: pemmican Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971105192551.2f8f33ba@megamed.com> Are raw (dried) meats allowed on the SCD diet, such as pemmican, which is definitely a paleo food?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:27:55 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971105192553.2f8f8dc2@megamed.com> Thank you Linda, for the info on low blood sugar. My son also has low blood sugar, is starving between meals. Are you on the HYPO L list?> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:27:24 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: ALMOND FLOUR IN SF Message-ID: <199711060722.XAA18001@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> >Hi Steve, > >Who's the local supplier of almond flour, in the Bay Area? > >Prateeksha Hi Prateeksha, I've been buying almond flour from a company in SF called California Nut Trading Company. I Don't have an address for them, but their phone is 415 243 0320. the man's name is Motzi Dorudian(I'm not at all sure of the spelling of that first name by the way). I have gone by and picked it up, but they ship most of their business (they're wholesalers). I believe I paid about eighty-five dollars for twenty-five pounds. One thing you should know however, and that is that although the first box was great, the last one was from a different source, and there were moths in the bag. I keep meaning to call the guy and tell him about it, but I never get around to it. On another note, I noticed that you get baker's cheese at Country Cheese Co. After reading what Barb had to say about DCCC and baker's cheese, I feel like I ought to talk to Mario and find out where he gets it. It's from a local cheesery unless I'm mistaken. I'd like to talk to someone there and see if they can tell me anything about the lactose content. It's sure a lot easier to bake with than curds would be, and it doesn't taste at all like ricotta. It's quite tart. still I would hate to be responsible for steering people in the wrong direction Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:27:32 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: re:re:Something Evil Message-ID: <199711060722.XAA18005@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Rachel, Prateeksha, and every one else Thanks everyone for the nice words. Matt is indeed a talented and well spoken kid.I wish I could take some credit for it, but he was that way right out of the box. I felt kind of strange posting his writing, especially behind his back, but I'm glad that it was appreciated by a a few of you. He really has no idea how bad this thing could be, but he knows that we don't turn the family boat around and start paddling upstream for no reason. In other words, he knows that we have been scared good and frankly, he doesn't even want to know the details. Our hope is that he never will have to, at least not first hand. Thanks again, Steve and Annie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:52:09 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD and antifungals Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971106054954.2b2f0752@megamed.com> I think the SCD diet is great and is helping me get rid of "bad" bacteria in my son's colon/intestines. My question is about antifungals. Most antifungals that I have seen tend to have starch in them. Can you take an antifungal on the SCD diet? Or will the SCD diet naturally "starve" out the yeast? I think right now it is happening, the starving of the yeast, as my son asks continually for rice bread or some other carbo, it's like the yeast in his body are screaming for it. Do they eventually die off from lack of sugar and starch?? Also, antifungals concern me as there is a die off, whereas the diet MAY slowly kill off the yeast. Thoughts, anyone? I was thinking of supplementing with a small amount of grapefruit seed, then saw it had starch in it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 07:25:17 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: scd Message-ID: <9711061325.AA19723@swansong.amd.com> fyi (SCD is similar to zone diet) zone dieters who experience weakness ,usually after a couple of weeks after starting, are told to supplement with about 90mg of potassium daily as low carb diets have a strong diurectic effect, (thats why the blood pressure falls so quickly) this effect leaves you feeling washed out. cramps in the legs etc ... are common as well, we use nu-salt (potassium) instead of table salt. ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Nov 5 20:21:23 1997 To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: scd X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8,10-14 From: thesmiths5@juno.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:19:02 EST Reply-To: SCD-list@longisland.com Content-Length: 830 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- After about three weeks, my husband had to get off the diet, due to bleeding, weakness and weight loss. I thought he was doing better, but he didn't, and he's the one who knows. I felt terrible seeing him so weak, because this was my idea and he went along with it. He was eating eggs - maybe that's why it didn't work. I was encouraged reading this list and I'm disappointed because I believe it could work. Elaine's book was the first thing I ever read on UC that made sense. I don't know what's next - been through four years of drugs, and he's still in pain, rarely goes out because of the diarrhea. Good luck to those still persevering - it's not easy. Margaret ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:29:36 -0500 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and antifungals Message-ID: <3461C640.42AE503D@bedford.net> Mary, There is a long list of herbal anti-fungals that have no starch. I'm sure there is even grape seed extract without it. As far as prescription anti-fungals, I wouldn't ever touch the stuff -- most have a negative effect on the immune system. You are right about worrying about die-off. The last herbal I took, the die off was pretty intense, but since it was killing stuff, I welcomed it. I guage my doseage on the reactions that I have, so I would think that it would be difficult for you to determine it for your child. As long as you are see improvement, maybe the best policy would be sticking to the diet -- it will, IMO, work to kill bad bacteria over time. If the improvement stops, or symptoms get worse, you might see a alternative health practioner to advise you on the use of anti-fungals -- most of us probably only have experience with adults, and there is definitely a physical and emotional difference between the two. Unfortuneately, this diet isn't quite a miracle -- for most, it takes some hard work and some physical disconfort to get results. As most would agree, the discomfort is worth it -- and isn't that bad. Bill Mary wrote: ---------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I think the SCD diet is great and is helping me get rid of "bad" > bacteria in > my son's colon/intestines. > > My question is about antifungals. Most antifungals that I have seen > tend to > have starch in them. > > Can you take an antifungal on the SCD diet? Or will the SCD diet > naturally > "starve" out the yeast? I think right now it is happening, the > starving of > the yeast, as my son asks continually for rice bread or some other > carbo, > it's like the yeast in his body are screaming for it. Do they > eventually die > off from lack of sugar and starch?? > > Also, antifungals concern me as there is a die off, whereas the diet > MAY > slowly kill off the yeast. > > Thoughts, anyone? > > I was thinking of supplementing with a small amount of grapefruit > seed, then > saw it had starch in it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:05 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: moira@megamed.com, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and antifungals Message-ID: <199711061452.IAA20342@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, I'd be careful with grapefruit seed extract. Taking that is what got me into my current intense 3.5 month flareup. And I don't think it was the starch. I'd been tolerating starches fine for a year prior to taking this supplement. If you're going to use it, start with a very small amount. You can get grapefruit seed extract in a liquid form (without starch). Good luck/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Thu Nov 6 06:52 CST 1997 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 04:52:09 -0800 > X-Sender: moira@megamed.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> > Subject: SCD and antifungals > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I think the SCD diet is great and is helping me get rid of "bad" bacteria in > my son's colon/intestines. > > My question is about antifungals. Most antifungals that I have seen tend to > have starch in them. > > Can you take an antifungal on the SCD diet? Or will the SCD diet naturally > "starve" out the yeast? I think right now it is happening, the starving of > the yeast, as my son asks continually for rice bread or some other carbo, > it's like the yeast in his body are screaming for it. Do they eventually die > off from lack of sugar and starch?? > > Also, antifungals concern me as there is a die off, whereas the diet MAY > slowly kill off the yeast. > > Thoughts, anyone? > > I was thinking of supplementing with a small amount of grapefruit seed, then > saw it had starch in it... > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:56:40 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <19971106.065649.10446.0.rosset@juno.com> Tom, Maybe the reason the 13% alcohol content wines are always bone dry is because the sugar content would rarely start any higher than 26%? How about the difference between semi-dry and dry? Would you say that there might be a little residual sugar left in the semi-dry? Thanks for the lesson! Lucy On Wed, 05 Nov 97 07:59:30 +0800 "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lucy, > >Having grown wine grapes commercially since the early 70's, I felt >compelled to correct your >misconceptions of "dry" vs. alcohol. > >The term dry for wine refers to its residual sugar content. A sweet >wine still has sugar in >it while a dry wine has none. We care about the sugar obviously. The >alcohol content is >really a different thing and a dry wine could have low or high >alcohol. > >Wine is made by fermenting ripe grapes. One of the criteria for >deciding when to harvest >the grapes is the sugar content of the grapes. The fermentation >process turns the sugar into >alcohol at the rate of 2 to 1. So, if you harvest grapes at 24% sugar >and ferment it dry, then >you will end up with 12% alcohol wine. If you fermented it to 10% >alcohol and then stopped >it, you would have used 20% sugar and thus the finished wine would >have 4% residual sugar. > >So in that respect, you might say that the 12% alcohol wine had less >sugar than the 10% wine, >but that is only if both wines started with 24% sugar grapes. The 10% >wine could just as easily >have started with 20% sugar grapes and be dry, or the 12% alcohol wine >could have started with >26% sugar grapes and still be sweet. > >You can't know anything other than the description of dry, semi-dry, >etc. unless you have a >sugar test kit. > >Since grape juice is OK, I wonder how much harm the residual sugar in >wine would cause. >If the grapes are low sugar at harvest time, sugar can be added >during fermentation. >In that case, any residual sugar could be part sucrose. So I suppose >that only drinking wine >with no residual sugar would be the best way to know for sure. > >Tom > >on Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:13:31 -0800, Lucy Rosset wrote: > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>I drink the occasional (2-3 >>>drinks a >>>week max) dry or semi-dry wine >>Jeff, >>I have discussed the wine issue with Elaine and I know that she would >>rather we stick with the VERY DRY only. Apparently, the higher the >>alcohol content, the drier the wine. I try not to buy anything below >12.5 >>% alcohol content, if possible I'll get 13%. Most chardonnays are dry >>enough, as are most carbernet sauvignons, merlots, and several other >red >>wines. Just check the alcohol content on the label. >>I also indulge in vodka and fresh squeezed orange juice without any >>trouble. Obviously it isn't wise to get carried away with the >drinking. >>Everything in moderation... >>Lucy >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:39:44 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <199711061640.IAA13702@pnn.com> Jane, My opinion is that since the grape juice itself is more or less OK, then from a sugar standpoint, any dry wine will be much better and probably no problem. So just pick a wine that you enjoy. With the small residual sugar in dry wine, the alcohol might likely be as much or more of a problem since it can be irritating. I drink very little wine due to my Crohn's, but when I do I choose the best wine available to me at the time so as to maximize the reward/risk ratio. <g> If you are drinking wine for the enjoyment, then pick a dry wine that you really like. If not, then maybe choose something else to avoid the possible irritation of the alcohol. Tom On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:59:39 -0500 (EST), Kebridan@aol.com wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom, >Thanks for the wine education! Question: when I go out with friends for >dinner I usually want only 1 or 2 glasses of red wine. The people at the >table don't usually want to order a whole bottle of very dry wine, so I'm >stuck just getting a glass of what the house has - I usually get carbernet >because I think its drier than merlot. Does it make much difference? What >would be a good choice? Thank-you, Jane > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 08:58:28 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <199711061659.IAA14292@pnn.com> Lucy, Yes, the sugar content of grapes tends to max out around 26%. Here in Oregon, our Pinot Noir rarely makes it to 24% with 20 to 22 about average. This year we barely got to 20%. But since sugar could be added, you can't know for sure. Our 20% grapes could be made into a dry wine with 10% or more alcohol, depending on if sugar is added. I don't know if there is any official scale of what dry, very dry, semi dry, etc. mean. Around 25 years ago when I lived in Toronto, the provincial liquor stores where you bought wine had an organized scheme of labeling wines, but I don't remember if that included the actual sugar % vs. description. Perhaps someone from Ontario could comment if that method is still in existence and if it includes actual sugar levels. I suspect that in most cases, semi-dry is whatever the winemaker decides. A little residual sugar can be useful in masking other characteristics of the wine such as acid or alcohol. If they actually say semi-dry then there obviously would be some sugar. As I stated in my message to Jane, small amounts of sugar in wine are probably no big deal and quite likely the alcohol could be a bigger issue than splitting hairs over dry vs. very dry. The amount of sugar in a glass of orange juice is huge compared to the amount in a glass of wine. Tom On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:56:40 -0800, Lucy Rosset wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom, >Maybe the reason the 13% alcohol content wines are always bone dry is >because the sugar content would rarely start any higher than 26%? >How about the difference between semi-dry and dry? Would you say that >there might be a little residual sugar left in the semi-dry? >Thanks for the lesson! >Lucy > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:30:40 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: SCD and antifungals Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984611D043@LOGIXMAIL> Moira, Different brands of natural antifungals have no starch in them. Many brands of Capryllic acid don't. I have used Mycopryl from T.E Neesby, get through Vitamin Shoppe in N.Y. I am sure there are others. Capryllic acid is considered by many to be fairly effective. Different brands of Grapefruit Seed extract have no starch in them. Caps Plus (I am pretty sure has none) or citricidal drops that you mix with water, both from Nutricidal are very good also available from Vitamin shoppe. I have been reading about Olive Leaf extract and this could well be the best to use of all since it is a documented anti-fungal, anti-viral and anti-bacterial.(Actually, grapefruit seed extract has similar properties but I ahve not read as much documented stuff about it) I am considering trying Olive Leaf myself perhaps, though it seems SCD is doing a remarkable job of clearing Candida on its own w/o the use of any anti-fungal. I do use Kyolic Liquid Garlic and have always found it to help me. All the other powdered Kyolic stuff has stuff you can't use cause of SCD limitations. Kyolic Liquid Garlic has tons of documentation as an immune booster and killer of bad things! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:52 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: SCD and antifungals > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I think the SCD diet is great and is helping me get rid of "bad" > bacteria in > my son's colon/intestines. > > My question is about antifungals. Most antifungals that I have seen > tend to > have starch in them. > > Can you take an antifungal on the SCD diet? Or will the SCD diet > naturally > "starve" out the yeast? I think right now it is happening, the > starving of > the yeast, as my son asks continually for rice bread or some other > carbo, > it's like the yeast in his body are screaming for it. Do they > eventually die > off from lack of sugar and starch?? > > Also, antifungals concern me as there is a die off, whereas the diet > MAY > slowly kill off the yeast. > > Thoughts, anyone? > > I was thinking of supplementing with a small amount of grapefruit > seed, then > saw it had starch in it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 09:51:16 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: I forget to say something... Message-ID: <199711061904.LAA19047@pnn.com> My GI doctor attended a conference last spring where several speakers said that Cipro is useful in some cases of Crohn's that don't respond well to other treatments. I tried it and seemed to get a little better for awhile but my ileum was too badly damaged and I finally had the disease portion removed in September. There is a chance that something bad is growing in the gut that would be killed by the Cipro. Certainly there are various organisms that even if they aren't the cause of IBD, certainly aren't doing a diseased gut any favors. Elaine has mentioned some doctor that uses a procedure where antibiotics are used to kill off everything in the gut, and then reintroduces a special strain of organism. Some body said that Elaine recommended that procedure to him after a trial of the SCD failed. Tom On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:28:40 -0500, S Albert wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >My gastro advised me to take the Cipro for 10 days, then go to azulfadine >(sp?) if the Cipro didn't work. He doesn't really seem to know exactly >what he's treating, so it makes me doubly reluctant to take the cipro, >just to take it to see if it MIGHT work. > >Thanks. > >Stacia > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:54:35 -0700 From: "Linda " To: painsolv@smartt.com Cc: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <88256547.0071B3EC.00@baxworld.com> Dietmar, Well, as I said, since my husband and I collect old books I definitely know where the used book stores are in the area and have, on many occasions, had not just a few doing book searches for us (as well as Internet Book Search facilities). But since I was in the health food store, I thought about The Zone and looked. Furthermore, since the SCD discussion group is usually most helpful I thought I would ask about which book references had been made to. You had neither of the ones I mentioned. You probably read Ted's response about "Enter" and "Mastering" (The Zone). He shed light on the differences in the two books, which was just the information I needed. As to cost, I inquired out of curiosity, as I am always checking prices to see if local stores (especially health food stores) are competitive. For instance, I did the same comparisons between stores and web sites before I purchased my yogurt maker. It's amazing how what we write (or omit) gets totally different responses from each recipient isn't it? I'm sorry if I gave you the impression of being an idiot. Kind regards, Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:10:07 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Observation about SCD and other "Diets" Message-ID: <88256547.0073A3F3.00@baxworld.com> Moira, No I'm not on that list. I do not have a severe case of LBS. I take note of how my eating habits affect it and 'try' to adjust accordingly. The SCD has been great. I think because the diet is so strict, and you have to get on a good regimen the LBS gets 'treated' at the same time. Even though I get tired at times and just want to take the easy route, like go out for a pizza, I truly think this diet is making me stronger day by day. It has really been a life style change for me, and my husband, since we used to eat out most of the time. Let me know if the SCD helps you son's LBS. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:50:44 -0700 From: "Linda" To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt Treat Message-ID: <88256547.0075E767.00@baxworld.com> I love persimmons and have found that they are great with yogurt. My favorite dessert or snack lately is to put the pulp of one ripe persimmon (Hachiya variety) in a bowl. Spoon 5 or 6 heaping tablespoons of homemade yogurt on top. Mix well and enjoy! The sweetness of the persimmon offsets the tartness of the yogurt for a great combination. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:13:37 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine's comments Message-ID: <l03010d00b087eea4963c@[206.112.46.13]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Elaine, if you're looking in ... I must say it's very nice to hear how >forthcoming you are with advice to people who contact you. I for one >really appreciate that you're willing to spend your time & energy & money >to help us. > >With many thanks, > > A list member, Dear All, Matthew Hooker's beautiful letter was mentioned to Elaine and she called and asked me to fax it to her which I did, along with a few other comments shared by the group. She was touched by the letter and said that such letters "make it all worthwhile" She also asked me to pass along the following: "The reason that grape juice is ok, but wine made with grape juice may not be ok is because wineries add tons of sucrose along with the yeast. Some homemade wine is probabaly made without added sucrose but most commercial wineries do start with added sucrose" As for being "nice", she responds that she is not doing this to be nice, but because she can't bear to see people suffer needlessly if there is a possibility they can be helped. She's been there with her beautiful 4 year old child and constantly relives those 3 years before they found the wonderful Dr. Sidney Hass. "It was hell on earth trying to keep her in one piece!". She adds "I am not nice, I am indignant!" I guess that this is the major difference between doing something because it is your chosen profession, and being motivated by painful personal experience. Peace to all, Rachel ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #92 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 7 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 93 In this issue: Re: wine anyone? Survey: Touch Is Kombucha Tea on the SCD diet ? Re: pemmican Re: scd RE: Survey: Touch Stacia/questions Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for RE: Little Sis Doing Great! Re: wine anyone? Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for DCCC vs. baker's cheese Re: pemmican Re: DCCC vs. baker's cheese Re: Survey: Touch Re: Survey: Touch Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Re: Survey: Touch Re: Wine anyone? RE: Wine anyone? Re: Survey: Touch Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Re: Elaine's comments Re: Lovenox and pork Re: Elaine's comments potassium supplements Re: Split Pea Soup.. Re: Elaine's comments Re: potassium supplements Moira/antifungals Re: Lovenox and pork RE: Moira/antifungals Re: Lovenox and pork Re: scd Re: scd RE: Survey: Touch -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:01:51 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <971106200150_426090794@mrin44.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-05 11:49:50 EST, you write: << Having grown wine grapes commercially since the early 70's, I felt compelled to correct your misconceptions of "dry" vs. alcohol. >> Tom: Thanks so much for the wine lesson. I thought I would run a question by you. My preferred wines are Cabernet, Merlot, Shiraz and Chianti - would these all be considered 'dry' wines? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:27:35 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971106162735.00699a68@smartt.com> Hi, SCD gang! As you may have observed, I'm a medical massage therapist (a profession which doesn't exist in too many areas of the world, so you may not know of it, but it does exist here in British Columbia, Canada). So of course I'm interested in touch-related topics. This past week Dr. Michael Meany of McGill University & the Douglas Hospital Research Centre, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, discussed his study of touch & how it affected baby rats: mothers were classified as "high-groomers" (i.e. they touched & groomed their babies a normal or large amount), or as "low-groomers". Those baby rats who had "high-grooming" moms showed higher levesl of "good" hormones in their bodies, and subsequently also showed actual structural changes in their brains, as compared to "low-groomed" baby rats. In addition, when these two groups of baby rats were subsequently exposed to stress, the ones who'd had "high-grooming" moms were able to deal with the stress much better, whereas the "low-groom" rats became ill (I haven't seen the actual paper yet, only heard him speak about it, so I don't know yet what specific illnesses these "bad-stress-handlers" acquired that the "stress-resilient" rats did not). And the final finding was that when these "high-groomed" baby rats grew up, they in turn also exhibited a "high-groom" behaviour with THEIR babies, and conversely with the "low-groom" baby raths that grew up to breed & be moms. The signif. of this finding is that ... a) this is the first time that touch has been shown to not only activate good hormonal pathways, but that the continual presence of these hormones was shown to create actual physical changes in the brain (which could explain a completely new method of "evolution" that does not rely on classic Mendelian genetic theories), and that b) these behavour patterns (i.e. high-grooming vs. low-grooming) were then passed on, which could thus POSSIBLY partly explain why (for example) alcoholism, abuse, etc. seems to be "passed" from one generation to the next. Now, out of curiosity, I thought I'd make a hypothesis: "People with IBD" (which includes me, of course!) "may possibly acquire it because they come from an environment where their bodies never learned how to handle stress (and please note that "stress" does NOT ONLY mean emotional / physical, but also things like toxins, bad diet, noise, crowding, competition, etc., OK?) and thus their defensive systems break down easier than people whose body systems learned how to handle stress in their upbringing". So, specifically, if you want to participate in this survey, simply reply to the question "Do you feel you grew up in an environment of emotional neglect (or even abuse), one that you now feel, in looking back, you'd call 'touch-deprived' or one low on good (i.e. non-threatening) physical non-sexual touch?" Let me know by Sunday, and I'll get the results back to you, if we get more than 10 people responding. With best wishes, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 19:41:49 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Is Kombucha Tea on the SCD diet ? Message-ID: <9711070141.AA19776@swansong.amd.com> hi does anyone know if Kombucha Tea is on the SCD diet list ? it looks interesting as a source of heparin, heparin was accidentally discovered to put UC and crohn's into clinical remission, and is currently being evaluated in clinical trials at several clinics across the country, i dont know how long till this drug is offered but i have found a doctor who will consider its use on my son if i can find the protocol. the nearest clinic to me is the Oklahoma Foundation for Digestive Research in Okalahoma City, they are still enrolling patients but you only have a 50/50 chance of getting the heparin (the trial is double blind placebo controlled) but if you got it and went into remission the SCD could be the tool that could keep you in remission, you might not have to wait years to get healthy. i dont know if the other symptoms associated with IBD diseases like FM etc get better, and i have read that once off heparin relapse is rapid, so it's not a cure, the SCD still the closest thing to a cure. the information about the heparin trials is at: http://qurlyjoe.bu.edu/cducibs/heparin.html. i think the drug being used is LOVENOX (enoxaparin) and is made by Rhone-Poulenc Rorer, i would like to know if the drug is already approved for UC/crohns therapy in any European country and if so can you tell me if the protocol is available in a book. here in the US approved protocols get published in books and are sold in book stores, i have access to German readers/speakers (about thirty germans here right now) and the doctor we would use is Russian, so if there is a book i can special order it and get it translated, actually i can get it translated from any european language since i live near a large university. by the way, LOVENOX is derived from procine intestinal mucosa, interesting ehh! ted ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: pemmican Message-ID: <971106204950_-290911671@mrin39> If you are drying meats yourself (perhaps with a good ol' Ronco), there should not be a problem as long as the curing mix you use is free of harsh chemicals and illegal ingredients. I would, however, be very cautious about packaged 'dried' or 'dehydrated' meats as they often contain nasty things. Anyone else have details? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: scd Message-ID: <971106210442_1636258393@mrin38> Margaret: I wish things had worked out better for your husband. Going on the SCDiet is a lot like quitting smoking or making other dramatic life changes...the person making the committment has to have 100% buy-in. If your husband is to try the SCDiet again or make any other changes in an attempt to help his UC, it has to be HIS decision. Just my opinion - good luck to you and your husband. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:41:25 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E35@LOGIXMAIL> No. I was touched quite a bit growing up. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: painsolv@smartt.com [SMTP:painsolv@smartt.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:28 PM > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU; scd-list@longisland.com > Subject: Survey: Touch > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, SCD gang! > > As you may have observed, I'm a medical massage therapist (a > profession > which doesn't exist in too many areas of the world, so you may not > know of > it, but it does exist here in British Columbia, Canada). > > So of course I'm interested in touch-related topics. > > This past week Dr. Michael Meany of McGill University & the Douglas > Hospital Research Centre, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, discussed his > study > of touch & how it affected baby rats: mothers were classified as > "high-groomers" (i.e. they touched & groomed their babies a normal or > large > amount), or as "low-groomers". Those baby rats who had > "high-grooming" > moms showed higher levesl of "good" hormones in their bodies, and > subsequently also showed actual structural changes in their brains, as > compared to "low-groomed" baby rats. > > In addition, when these two groups of baby rats were subsequently > exposed > to stress, the ones who'd had "high-grooming" moms were able to deal > with > the stress much better, whereas the "low-groom" rats became ill (I > haven't > seen the actual paper yet, only heard him speak about it, so I don't > know > yet what specific illnesses these "bad-stress-handlers" acquired that > the > "stress-resilient" rats did not). > > And the final finding was that when these "high-groomed" baby rats > grew up, > they in turn also exhibited a "high-groom" behaviour with THEIR > babies, and > conversely with the "low-groom" baby raths that grew up to breed & be > moms. > > The signif. of this finding is that ... > > a) this is the first time that touch has been shown to not only > activate > good hormonal pathways, but that the continual presence of these > hormones > was shown to create actual physical changes in the brain (which could > explain a completely new method of "evolution" that does not rely on > classic Mendelian genetic theories), and that > > b) these behavour patterns (i.e. high-grooming vs. low-grooming) were > then > passed on, which could thus POSSIBLY partly explain why (for example) > alcoholism, abuse, etc. seems to be "passed" from one generation to > the next. > > Now, out of curiosity, I thought I'd make a hypothesis: "People with > IBD" > (which includes me, of course!) "may possibly acquire it because they > come > from an environment where their bodies never learned how to handle > stress > (and please note that "stress" does NOT ONLY mean emotional / > physical, but > also things like toxins, bad diet, noise, crowding, competition, etc., > OK?) > and thus their defensive systems break down easier than people whose > body > systems learned how to handle stress in their upbringing". > > So, specifically, if you want to participate in this survey, simply > reply > to the question > > "Do you feel you grew up in an environment of emotional neglect > (or even abuse), one that you now feel, in looking back, > you'd call 'touch-deprived' or one low on good > (i.e. non-threatening) physical non-sexual touch?" > > > Let me know by Sunday, and I'll get the results back to you, if we get > more > than 10 people responding. > > With best wishes, > > Dietmar > > > > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ > > "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." > - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Stacia/questions Message-ID: <971106230456_698801551@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Stacia - I would like to clarify your questions. You are asking if CD and UC is related to candida; if they go hand in hand; and if antibiotics are helpful. Unfortunately we have been brainwashed into thinking that all our problems are not related. that different parts of the body are sick, when its the whole body. All these words are just that - words. labels. to cut to the chase, the system is toxic. it may be CALLED whatever anyone wants. that toxicity is what causes what doctors LABEL different symptoms. the cause is all the same. in order to have any problems, particularly bowel, digestion has failed. digestion is what keeps us nourished. we caused digestion to fail whether it be with bad food, birth control pills, antibiotics, or drugs, (the body DOES NOT KNOW the difference between heroin and prozac. it doesnt know one is a prescription some doctor wrote or an illegal drug that we have been brainwashed into believing is bad and prescription drugs arent - its all poison), etc. anything that does not belong in the body and is continually put in there will cause problems. this is why this generation is having the kind of trouble they are. mcdonalds didnt exist 100 years ago. neither did alot of processed stuff. the point is, in a normal colon there is a balance between friendly bacteria and negative bacteria. when this balance is upset (because of the above mentioned factors), the negative bacteria take over. NOW it has to be cleaned up. plus whatever damage it caused has to be healed. then the friendly bacteria has to be replaced to keep it under control. antiobiotics SPECIFICALLY destroy friendly bacteria. it is your weakest link that is going to end up your specific problem. the cause all originated in the same place. ever hear the phrase you are only as strong as your weakest link? i never knew just how true that is. hope this helps - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:13:31 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Message-ID: <3462956B.3BE7@pacbell.net> Hello all, For anyone interested in the intestinal dysbiosis article, what I'm proposing is that we start a mailing tree. Where each person who recieves a copy, mails one to the next person who wants a copy. I think the article is very good. It backs up a lot of Elaine's research. It would be a good thing to show your doctor if you are needing support for why you are on the SCD. Denise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:30:01 -0600 From: "JAMES R. ASHBY" <"ja60802@ltec.net"@navix.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Little Sis Doing Great! Message-ID: <199711070429.WAA13302@iac6.navix.net> Thanks for the kind words Prateeksha! I'm finally back on line after being without power for 7 days. Being smack dab in the middle of last week's blizzard in the Midwest left me feeling like a pioneer. Amazing how much we take for granted a little thing like ELECTRICITY! Happy to report that Little Sis Karen has been following the SCD for 1 1/2 weeks now and has noticed some remarkable things. Her "D" has greatly slowed down and her energy level is rising. This is the first time in years that changes in her CD have been for the better and not the other way around. She had one minor setback over the weekend while dining with her in-laws. She had forgotten her dry curd cottage cheese and ate a couple of tablespoons of the regular stuff. (If anyone would test whether cheating was possible on the SCD, it would be my sister!) It caused her increased "D" and great cramping and started to bring on a migraine (which she is prone to whenever her prednisone is at high levels). She called me to say that yes, I was right, and she would not cheat again (you realize, of course, that when Little Sisters tell Big Sisters that they were wrong and you were right, it a moment to be savored...) Luckily, it really means that she realizes the true value of her new healthy regimen. Lastly, (yes I do tend to babble) we here in Nebraska are able to buy DCCC in our local supermarkets under the brand GILLETTE DAIRY. They market milk, butter, cottage cheese, ice cream, etc. I would assume they are nationwide. After hearing of other peoples' problems in obtaining it, it was quite a shock to find it at the local store (I live in a small rural town of 2,500 people). THANKS AND GOOD HEALTH TO ALL! jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 21:00:02 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: wine anyone? Message-ID: <199711070500.VAA07228@pnn.com> Jim, There is no real correlation between wine type and the amount of residual sugar. However, dry wines are more popular with experienced wine drinkers and so I'd expect dry wines to be the rule rather than the exception. With the varieties you mention, it would be unusual for them to have much, if any, residual sugar. It would likely be mentioned on the label if the winemaker made the wine with residual sugar to explain that the wine is different and the reason why. While I have a lot of wine in my cellar, it is mostly from my grapes and from those of people I know. I rarely buy wine and don't want to pass myself off as much of a wine expert. While I have made some wine, mostly I just grow the grapes and drink a small portion of the resulting wine. The winery I sell the grapes to, worries about turning the grapes into wine and selling it. The 2 fields of viticulture (growing the grapes) and enology (making wine from grapes) are quite different. Tom On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:01:51 -0500 (EST), Denali321@aol.com wrote: > >Thanks so much for the wine lesson. I thought I would run a question by you. > My preferred wines are Cabernet, Merlot, Shiraz and Chianti - would these >all be considered 'dry' wines? > >Thanks, > >Jim > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:27:01 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971106212701.006a0e84@smartt.com> At 08:13 PM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello all, > >For anyone interested in the intestinal dysbiosis article, what I'm >proposing is that we start a mailing tree. Where each person who >recieves a copy, mails one to the next person who wants a copy. I think >the article is very good. It backs up a lot of Elaine's research. It >would be a good thing to show your doctor if you are needing support for >why you are on the SCD. > >Denise > > Look, let's not get all excited about this ... it's NOT like it's The Holy Grail! And specifically, remember I said that it's quite complex with lots of medical terminology that you have to be able to understand to make it worth your while plodding through? So just maybe think about it before you get all excited & think you're missing out on something super-duper ... it's good reading for those who can understand it, but I would hazard a guess that at least half of this group (whoever that "half" is only you know) will NOT be able to get anything out of it. In addition: this "copy tree" idea won't work: it's already not a crisp copy to start with, and each time you copy a copy you lose clarity (I hope you'd thought about that?). So, as I said, don't get all excited about it: if you can understand the word "dysbiosis" WITHOUT running to a dictionary you're probably a good candidate for asking for a copy, if not, just forget it & stay focused on other topics in this list. Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:17:21 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: DCCC vs. baker's cheese Message-ID: <199711070612.WAA10805@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> >While shopping today I made a note of the ingredients in both Dry >Curd Cottage Cheese and Bakers Cheese. Also peeked under the lid to >not the visible differences. The brand name on both products was >Formost. > >DCCC - Milk ingredients, Microbial enzymes and Bacterial Culture. > >Bakers Cheese - Milk ingredients, Bacterial Culture, Rennet, >Potassium Sorbate. > >DCCC has a cottage cheese look without any of the moisture. Bakers >Cheese was creamy like a riccotta. > >Here in Vancouver where Formost is one of the 'big' suppliers of >dairy products I would say that these two products are completely >different. > >For your information :-) > >Barb Hi, While I can't straighten this thing out for those in Vancouver, I just wanted to say that I am currently looking into this with regard to baker's cheese in California. I've been recommending the Country Cheese Co. as a supplier, and we have been using it for the last 5 or 6 months with no problems that I am aware of. After the above post however, I was sure that people would be calling poor Mario with all kinds of questions which he could never answer(lactose questions that is), so I stopped by the store and spoke with him myself. I now have the name and number of the cheesery he buys from, and I will be calling them with the same questions tomorrow. when I get the info I will post it. I know a few people are using this source, and I don't see why we should all be wasting our time asking the same questions of the same people. So stay tuned,...details at eleven. Also, although it comes in a tub like ricotta, this cheese is 98% fat free or therabouts, and has a tangy flavor, not sweet at all. wether it is DCCC or not, it is definitely not like ricotta. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:26:00 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: pemmican Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971106222600.006a3d94@smartt.com> At 06:27 PM 11/5/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Are raw (dried) meats allowed on the SCD diet, such as pemmican, which is >definitely a paleo food?? > > > Pemmican is usually made with honey or blueberries. If it's made with another sweetener (i.e. if it's a commercially-made product instead of home-made) I'd back away. Dried meat in general should be OK; again, if homemade & no sugars (except honey) then "yes", if commercial I'd be careful. ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:10:32 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: DCCC vs. baker's cheese Message-ID: <199711070843.AAA29045@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> > Also, although it comes in a tub like ricotta, this cheese is 98% fat free > or therabouts, and has a tangy flavor, not sweet at all. wether it is DCCC > or not, it is definitely not like ricotta. > > steve Steve, I meant the cheese 'looked' like riccotta. Semi-smooth as opposed to lumpy or curdlike. I only peeked under the lid. I figured the store manager would not appreciate me tasting it. ;-) Barb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 06:40:13 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <3463284C.6933A7B3@snet.net> "Do you feel you grew up in an environment of emotional neglect (or even abuse), one that you now feel, in looking back, you'd call 'touch-deprived' or one low on good (i.e. non-threatening) physical non-sexual touch?" yes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:44:51 -0500 (EST) From: B4FL@aol.com To: SCD@maelstrom.stjohns.edu, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <971107084444_205235870@mrin54.mail.aol.com> Dietmar, My son, not I has the Crohn's disease. But I would like to respond to your survey. I have always been very physically affectionate with all (3) my children. Only my youngest son has Crohn's. I, however, grew up in a physically and mentally abusive environment and am healthy as a horse - thank goodness! I also don't believe that such behavior, although learned (obviously) during my growing up period, is necessarily "passed on". I have tried very hard as a parent not to repeat any of the behaviors that my parents exhibited. Of course, everyone is different and each of us deals with situations in very different ways. I, therefore, do not discount your theories but don't feel that myself or my family fit into those theories. Interesting though and I don't think you are alone in seeing some type of correlation. Barb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: El1256@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Message-ID: <971107085339_629859235@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Include me in on any mailing tree. Elizabeth W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:54:40 -0500 (EST) From: El1256@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <971107085440_-660046941@mrin38> Yes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:14:40 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Wine anyone? Message-ID: <34634C80.38FC@plinet.com> 11-7-97 To:SCD-list@longisland.com From:Genemash@plinet.com Re: Wine anyone? This is an interesting subject, Does anyone know if Mead or Hard Apple Cider would be acceptable on the SCD Diet? It should be! Hard Cider is made with the natural apple cider that Elaine describes in her book & mead is made from honey. Both should fit the criteria. This would fill the void for me being a craft brewer for the past five years. For those interested I have reciepes for both. Thanks Gene ------------------------------ Date: 07 Nov 1997 10:17:10 EDT From: "Penny Freshwater" <PFRESHWA@HR.HOUSE.GOV> To: SCD-list@LONGISLAND.COM Subject: RE: Wine anyone? Message-ID: <FL06.PFRESHWA.572906090097311FFL06@HOUSE.GOV> yum, Gene..... pass on those recipes!! ________________________________________________________ From: INTERNET.SCDLIST on Fri, Nov 7, 1997 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Wine anyone? To: SCDLIST(INTERNET.SCDLIST); Penny Freshwater Received: from IODINE.HOUSE.GOV by HR.HOUSE.GOV (Soft*Switch Central V4L380P7); 07 Nov 1997 09:04:03 EDT Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by iodine.house.gov with ESMTP id IAA11006 for <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:01:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from neptune.plinet.com ([206.168.149.251]) by mail.longisland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA267 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:03:50 -0500 Received: from dialup08.ipad.plinet.net (dialup08.ipad.plinet.net [206.168.149.120]) by neptune.plinet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08423 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:03:11 -0700 Message-ID: <34634C80.38FC@plinet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:14:40 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Wine anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-7-97 To:SCD-list@longisland.com From:Genemash@plinet.com Re: Wine anyone? This is an interesting subject, Does anyone know if Mead or Hard Apple Cider would be acceptable on the SCD Diet? It should be! Hard Cider is made with the natural apple cider that Elaine describes in her book & mead is made from honey. Both should fit the criteria. This would fill the void for me being a craft brewer for the past five years. For those interested I have reciepes for both. Thanks Gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <971107091636_193527670@mrin38> Dietmar: I came from a very nuturing environment as a child. We are a very "huggy" family. This from a family with 7 kids, that gave us alot of touch and alot of hug. I feel fortunate. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:26:43 -0600 From: deelen@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu (Timothy R. Van Deelen) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dysbiosis Article - Mailing list for Message-ID: <199711071426.IAA17833@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu> > >So, as I said, don't get all excited about it: if you can understand the >word "dysbiosis" WITHOUT running to a dictionary you're probably a good >candidate for asking for a copy, if not, just forget it & stay focused on >other topics in this list. > > Dietmar A little condescending don't you think? A bit like the GI doctors that people our IBD frustration stories. "Trust us...we're the experts..." His helpfull attitude and allusions to a medical background notwithstanding, Dietmar earlier demonstrated a willingness to proffer patronizing advice about alcohol despite his confusion about the basic biochemistry. Do we then depend on him to filter the technical stuff for us? If you're on the SCD you are depending on self-education (and in the eyes of the medical community, taking an large risk). If the dysbiosis article compels you, get it and read it - with a dictionary on one hand and a biochemistry text on the other if need be. As an author of research articles in another branch of biology, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have good information isolated from people who might benefit from it because some self-styled expert deems it "too technical". Not an attack - just a word of caution. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:34:44 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine's comments Message-ID: <19971107.063448.10462.0.rosset@juno.com> >"The reason that grape juice is ok, but wine made with grape juice may >not >be ok is because wineries add tons of sucrose along with the yeast. >Some >homemade wine is probabaly made without added sucrose but most >commercial >wineries do start with added sucrose" Rachel, Is Elaine saying that commercial wine is not OK? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Lovenox and pork Message-ID: <971107094704_1692212350@mrin43.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-07 02:50:30 EST, you write: << by the way, LOVENOX is derived from procine intestinal mucosa, interesting ehh! >> Porcine Intestinal Mucosa? As in pig guts? Interesting. I am unaware as to whether pigs suffer from Johne's Disease. Does anyone happen to know? I have never seen Pigs/Hogs listed as sufferers of Johne's, where as most domesticated mammels can. Things that make you go hmmm. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:13:23 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine's comments Message-ID: <l03010d01b088dfa36fe3@[206.112.46.27]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>"The reason that grape juice is ok, but wine made with grape juice may >>not >>be ok is because wineries add tons of sucrose along with the yeast. >>Some >>homemade wine is probabaly made without added sucrose but most >>commercial >>wineries do start with added sucrose" >Rachel, >Is Elaine saying that commercial wine is not OK? Dear Lucy, Geez, I'm not sure. I was pretty tired when I typed her fax and would probably have asked her for more clarification if I'd re-read it. Maybe she's referring to sweet wines as opposed to the dry wines we're allowed. When I speak to her (or if anyone else does first) I will try to clarify. Thanks, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:14:48 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: potassium supplements Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971107101233.18d79ed8@megamed.com> I can't find the potassium chloride that someone mentioned. I went to the health food store and all I could find was potassium. Should I be giving him some postasium? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:31:02 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Split Pea Soup.. Message-ID: <19971107.093106.10422.0.rosset@juno.com> > >I tried soaking the split peas in water first, the water is all = >absorbed, >there is nothing to pour out in the morning, so how can we get the = >sugars >out that the book says we must? > >Moira> > Moira, I would suggest soaking the split peas in a lot more water. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 08:12:56 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Elaine's comments Message-ID: <199711071803.KAA18469@pnn.com> Lucy, No, just that any residual sugar in the wine could be part sucrose to the extent that sucrose was added when making the wine. Since a dry wine has no residual sugar, it doesn't really matter whether sugar was added. I would disagree with her that most commercial wine is made with lots of added sugar. It depends on the climate and grapes. Grapes grown in Canada would be more likely to need additional sugar, while it would be a lot less likely that grapes grown in California would need added sugar. Tom On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:34:44 -0800, Lucy Rosset wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Rachel, >Is Elaine saying that commercial wine is not OK? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 12:20:04 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: potassium supplements Message-ID: <9711071820.AA19837@swansong.amd.com> hi just salt his food with morton lite salt or NU-SALT (which is 100% pottasium, you only need a tiny amount (morton lite salt is 340mg per 1/4 teaspoon, and you only need about 1/4 of that, once a day) it is waaay cheaper than buying in pill form and my son doesn't even know he gets it! one less thing to argue about or for him to worry about. ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- From SCD-request@longisland.com Fri Nov 7 11:16:43 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:14:48 -0800 X-Sender: moira@megamed.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SCD-list@longisland.com From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> Subject: potassium supplements Reply-To: SCD-list@longisland.com Content-Length: 322 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- I can't find the potassium chloride that someone mentioned. I went to the health food store and all I could find was potassium. Should I be giving him some postasium? ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Moira/antifungals Message-ID: <971107141223_1079401978@mrin47> Moira - Undecylenic acid is supposed to be 6 times more effective than caprylic acid. i am taking this information out of a magazine i just received days ago. I dont know much about it, but I know Bill is taking it and he may be able to give you some information. Also, the active ingredient in garlic is allicin. so you want to purchase a product with allicin in it. to the best of my knowledge kyolic is the only brand that does NOT contain it. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:24:44 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Lovenox and pork Message-ID: <971107152410_1337564176@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Pigs do not get crohn's disease but they can suffer from certain other intestinal disorders that will give them diarrhea. My husband is a small animal veterinarian but its been awhile since he studied pigs (just school). Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:20:24 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Moira/antifungals Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984612694F@LOGIXMAIL> True on the Undecylenic acid, but harder to find. Thorne has a good product. In terms of allicin and garlic, this is argued by many researchers and mfgs of garlic products. Allicin is actually a very unstable compound and is questioned by many as to whether it is actually the active ingredient. Virtually all of the real studies that have been done testing garlics effectiveness as an anti-microbial, has been done using Liquid Kyolic Garlic and it has an awesome track record. I have tried other garlic supplements and believe from experience and reading that it is the only form of garlic that I find worthwhile as an anti-microbial. I am sure there are others, just none I have read about with the documented studies behind it. You can't use their powdered products canuse it has stuff not allowed on SCD. You can hide the Liguid Garlic in food as it would not be easy for your son to take straight. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 12:12 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Moira/antifungals > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Moira - > > Undecylenic acid is supposed to be 6 times more effective than > caprylic acid. > i am taking this information out of a magazine i just received days > ago. I > dont know much about it, but I know Bill is taking it and he may be > able to > give you some information. > > Also, the active ingredient in garlic is allicin. so you want to > purchase a > product with allicin in it. to the best of my knowledge kyolic is the > only > brand that does NOT contain it. > > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:27:52 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Lovenox and pork Message-ID: <971107162751_2117061289@mrin83.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-07 16:10:53 EST, you write: << Pigs do not get crohn's disease but they can suffer from certain other intestinal disorders that will give them diarrhea. My husband is a small animal veterinarian but its been awhile since he studied pigs (just school). Jane >> Thanks Jane. I am, of course, aware that pigs do not get Crohn's. There is, however, a potentially related disease in many domestic animals that is known as Johne's Disease. My question was whether pigs suffer from Johne's, if not, this may add to the validity that Lovenox helps Crohn's patients because of its effects on Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 17:04:15 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: scd Message-ID: <9711080004.AA63686@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Ted, > .... as low carb diets have a strong diurectic effect, this effect leaves > you feeling washed out. cramps in the legs ... Thanks for the info on leg cramps. Looking back I did notice that I had many leg cramps in the first 2 months of the diet. I no longer get them (in my fifth month). Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 17:09:55 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: scd Message-ID: <9711080009.AA89602@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Margaret, > After about three weeks, my husband had to get off the diet, due to > bleeding, weakness and weight loss. Speaking from experience (except the bleeding), this seems like a normal part of starting the diet. The body must adjust to the drastic changes. Within 2-3 months I was doing very well, and still am. > He was eating eggs - maybe that's why it didn't work. Although I found them OK in the cheesecake recipe, eggs did not do well until the D. was mostly gone (intermittentwith normal BM). So yes you should probably avoid them in the beginning. I was able to re-introduce them after 3 months, and I now eat eggs every day. > he's still in pain, rarely goes out because of the diarrhea. This will get better. Hang in there, the results are worth it. Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:11:19 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971107161119.006a2f00@smartt.com> >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >No. I was touched quite a bit growing up. > Thanks for the answer. Just remember (in case anyone did not THOROUGHLY read the survey question): not merely "touched a lot", but GOOD (i.e. non-sexual non-agressive physical) touch, just so there's no confusion here, OK? Anyone who wants to change their answer, please let me know what you said originally & what you want to revise that with. Thanks, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #93 **********************
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