SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Wed, 12 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 98 In this issue: Re: Holiday visit to Texas Crackers Holiday Foods Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Re: Crackers Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Cheese Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Re: Cheese Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Re: Kambucha Re: Crackers Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Re: Cheese Re: Crohn's and pregnancy is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? FW: Dysbiosis article Protein powder Re: Protein powder -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:41:30 -0600 From: Gerry & Rene Jantzi <gjantzi3@airmail.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Holiday visit to Texas Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971111204130.006bbbf8@mail.airmail.net> Yes you can find it at most of the larger Tom Thumb Stores and Whole Foods. Had it tonite in the scd lasagana!!!! Gerry At 03:24 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Everyone, > >I'm visiting family in Dallas-Ft. Worth area during Christmas holidays and >am wondering if there is anyone on the SCD list who lives in that area and >can tell me if you are able to find DCCC there and where if so. > >Thanks, Prateeksha > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:57:54 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Crackers Message-ID: <199711120633.WAA07479@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Hi everyone, I was playing around with the cracker recipe this evening which I absolutely love. I added some minced red pepper to the mix and it turned out great. Does anyone have other suggestion for making a variety of cracker flavours that you use? I would love to hear them. To the cracker recipe I cut the oil in half ( 1/8 cup ) and used the toaster oven at 350 for 20-25 minutes. The grilled red peppers I made before the mix as follows: Mince 1/2 small red pepper. Spread evenly on a baking sheet. Brush with olive oil and roast in the oven at 250 for 1 hour, or until dried. Add to cracker mix and blend. Bake as per recipe. M-m-m-m-m-m! Barb Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:40:42 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Holiday Foods Message-ID: <199711120631.WAA12756@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> All, With the holiday season upon us, I 've been thinking about the foods we ordinarily eat at this time of year. Having been on the diet for about 5 months, this will be the first holiday season that our diet has been at all restricted. The thing that actually prompted this message will probably not be of much concern to many on the list. However, those who hail from south of the Mason/Dixon line (as do I) may have thought about this already. The food I am referring to is blackeyed peas. They are good at any time of year, but are especially important at new year's. Supposedly, you need to eat them to bring good luck in the comming 12 months. Now I know it's just a superstition, but it's one I have always enjoyed... especially since I live outside of the south. Whenever we have people over at new year's, I make sure they get their dose. The question is: are they an allowable legume? The next thing is cranberry sauce. does anyone have a killer recipe for SCD cranberry sauce? My guess is: yes. Maybe you would like to share it. Next item: Stuffing. I'm figuring that almond bread would probably do nicely. Has any one tried it? Yam's seems like an easy one. Mashed butternut squash should fill the gap quite well. And now, after all those questions here's one suggestion. In Texas it was always tradition at my house to have parched pecans. If you try this, it may become tradition at yours. Melt a half a stick of butter, put pecans into pan and ,coat them with butter add salt to taste, Spread pecans on a cookie sheet, and put them into the oven on high. cook them until they are dark and toasty. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Message-ID: <971112025744_-1039774958@mrin45.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-11 23:46:25 EST, you write: << Just to report, that what SCD have not been able to do for me in more than 1/2 year, the Pro Symbioflor bacteria mixture seems to do... >> i would like to know where to get this Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Message-ID: <971112030203_-465019972@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-11 23:46:25 EST, you write: << I know about ginger, but I think he needs something more. Thank-you, Jane >> Jane - I dont know what other problems your friend is having, but if he is getting sick or in the detox process, nausea is usually due to liver overload. the liver would need to be cleaned and will be as he cleanses Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:25:12 -0500 From: Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crackers Message-ID: <l03010d00b08f5e75580c@[141.213.25.73]> Barb, What is the cracker recipe? I've not seen or heard it mentioned before on this listserv or in the book. Can you forward it? aculverh@engin.umich.edu Thanks! -Annie >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi everyone, > >I was playing around with the cracker recipe this evening which I >absolutely love. I added some minced red pepper to the mix and it turned >out great. Does anyone have other suggestion for making a variety of >cracker flavours that you use? I would love to hear them. > >To the cracker recipe I cut the oil in half ( 1/8 cup ) and used the >toaster oven at 350 for 20-25 minutes. The grilled red peppers I >made before the mix as follows: > >Mince 1/2 small red pepper. >Spread evenly on a baking sheet. >Brush with olive oil and roast in the oven at 250 for 1 hour, or until >dried. >Add to cracker mix and blend. >Bake as per recipe. > >M-m-m-m-m-m! > >Barb >Vancouver, Canada Ann Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 313-647-7187 fx: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:51:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Message-ID: <971112085139_326400571@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Thank-you Joan. I do have some info on liver detox. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:33:51 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <971112093350_-1975836775@mrin47> When I was pregnant, I started out in remission but into my third month the disease flared up. I was not on the SCD and was sick and in great pain for the duration. After the birth I got seriously ill and had to go back on the steroids and stop nursing. I ate noodles and tofu, thinking it would make me better but my stomach was constantly in agony. If only I had known about the diet, I am sure none of that would have happened. Some people maintain the remission and some people don't. I am sure that if you stick to the diet, you will have an easier time than I did. Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Cheese Message-ID: <971112093654_-2078682726@mrin42.mail.aol.com> I have asked this question before but I don't think that anyone replied, so I will try again. In the list of cheeses permitted occasionally, if one doesn't react badly to one of them, does this mean that you could use them more often? Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:37:08 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971112073448.2cafb6a6@megamed.com> I would like any general information about Crohns, what are the symptoms, etc. My son has intestinal dysbiosis but is it Crohns, how would I know? There IS research in the UK linking Crohns to the MMR vaccine. The virus from the vaccine gets into the lymph nodes of the colon and produces Crohns. Also, any information from list members on how they overcame Crohns would be helpful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:04:06 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Cheese Message-ID: <l03010d00b08f7502a6c7@[206.112.46.22]> >In the list of cheeses permitted occasionally, if one doesn't react badly to one of them, does this mean that you could use them more often? Dear Rosa, I think no-one may have taken on this question because it really is a personal decision. "Occasionally" is a fairly broad term and to me it would mean "caution advised". How have you been using that term? Give me more detail and I'll try to give you my spin on it. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:07:51 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <l03010d01b08f768100ac@[206.112.46.21]> Dear Mary, Its been many years since my kids were small and vaccinated. Please remind me what the MMR vaccine is? Thanks, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Kambucha Message-ID: <971112114448_2070966517@mrin84.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-11 23:46:25 EST, you write: << Regarding Kombucha tea, I've read some warnings about it, just FYI: 4/24/95 Newsweek - one death and one illness in Iowa from (suspected) batch of contaminated Kombucha (homemade). According to some info I received from Candida & Intestinal Dybiosis Foundation, if you are having health problems, it's best to consume only commercially controlled Kombucha products. Hope this is helpful and not too scary. >> Stacia, My mother and grandmother have been drinking Kambucha on and off for a couple of years. We have a few books on it. It sounds like a remarkable thing, but now it gives me gas and indigestion. Since I have a compromised GI system, I stay away from anything that doesn't agree with me. However I used to drink it with no problem as little as a few months ago. I just got bored of it and stopped. When my CD symptoms got somewhat bad, a lot of things no longer agreed with me. As far as drinking commercial kambusha, you are taking the same chance as eating commercial yogurt. The kambucha has to be kept completely clean and free of airborne particles, bugs, pollen, etc. The death incident you mentioned was not determined that it was caused by the kamucha. The poor mushroom was just a scapegoat that sent a frenzy against it. It didn't kill anyone, but it can make you sick if you don't keep it covered and clean. Just like food. IF you don't refrigerate it and take care of it the way it is required to, anyone can get sick from spoiled food. I personally WOULD not trust commercial kambucha unless I visited the farm and observed the way they make it, grow it, and bottle it. It is FAR better to grow it yourself if you really want to drink it. And follow the caring instructions very carefully. If it was a dangerous plant, my family would've gotten sick a long time ago. Instead, they are full of energy.....everyone except me. I wish you the best in what ever decision you make. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:46 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crackers Message-ID: <199711121848.KAA22937@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> > Barb, > > What is the cracker recipe? I've not seen or heard it mentioned before on > this listserv or in the book. Can you forward it? > aculverh@engin.umich.edu > > Thanks! > -Annie > > Anne and all, This recipe floated by here last October from Mary, I believe! Cheese snacks 350 degrees for 15 minutes 1/4 pound shredded cheddar cheese 1 cup almond flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon sage (or fresh sage) 1/4 teaspoon thyme (or fresh thyme) 1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper (really makes it good) 1/4 cup vegetable oil (you may try reducing this) 3 tbsp. cold water coarse salt, sesame seeds or poppy seeds Add flour, salt, sage, thyme and cayenne pepper to cheese. Mix. Add oil and water to cheese mixture. Mix. Form into a ball and refrigerate until firm, about 15 minutes. (Roll dough on a lightly powdered smooth flat surface. Sprinkle with your choice of salt or seeds, and lightly roll in.)* Cut into one 1/2 inch squares and place on cookie sheet. Bake 15 minutes at 350 degrees. Cool. Makes two dozen crackers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *I put this in parentheses, because although it's a good idea, it makes for much more stuff to clean up, and it's not essential. I've taken to just forming small squares and going directly from the bowl to the cookie sheet. Then I sprinkle the sesame seeds, which add a lot to the texture of the cheese snacks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:07:19 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #97 Message-ID: <l03110700b08f9f647384@[206.40.74.38]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >In a message dated 97-11-11 23:46:25 EST, you write: > ><< Just to report, that what SCD have not been able to do for me in more > than 1/2 year, the Pro Symbioflor bacteria mixture seems to do... >> > > >i would like to know where to get this > >Joan So would I! Yesterday, I made my monthly visit to my Network Chiro; showed her a copy of Kurt's post re above...she responded that the Nature's Biotics which I am taking is not for the same purpose as she believes the above is...to restore the natural flora balance; but rather Nature's Biotics is to cleanse the intestines. So, it seems we need one to restore flora, one to cleanse and... one to tonify! She recommended a traditional Chinese Botanical which is made of Dong Quai Root and Rhubarb Root to bring chi to the colon; it is non-purgative, non-cathartic and is often used for travelers. Anyone know about this? I am particularly interested to learn if roots (these) and others, have starch in them? or unallowed carbs? Also, can you furnish the ingredients of the Pro Symbioflor and SymbioLact Comp? Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:11:18 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Cheese Message-ID: <l03110701b08fa16dedc5@[206.40.74.48]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I have asked this question before but I don't think that anyone replied, so I >will try again. > >In the list of cheeses permitted occasionally, if one doesn't react badly to >one of them, does this mean that you could use them more often? > >Rosa In the book, Elaine didn't mention that if you don't react badly to the "occasional cheeses" that it was okay to eat them more often. If that were the case, I think she would have said so! No, better to eat them "occasionally"...at least that's what I do...not often at all. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:57:20 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <9711121857.AA20459@swansong.amd.com> is MMR == measles mumps rubella ----- Begin Included Message ----- From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Nov 12 09:04:50 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:07:51 -0500 To: SCD-list@longisland.com From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Reply-To: SCD-list@longisland.com Content-Length: 285 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Mary, Its been many years since my kids were small and vaccinated. Please remind me what the MMR vaccine is? Thanks, Rachel ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 13:07:54 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <9711121907.AA20463@swansong.amd.com> i thought this was interesting ======================================================= Int J Clin Pract 1997 Jun;51(4):246-247 Koch's or Crohn's? Kapoor VK Department of Surgical Gastroenterology, Sanjay Gandhi Postgraduate Institute of Medical Sciences, Lucknow, India. Abdominal tuberculosis is not uncommon in the UK, especially in Asian immigrants. It resembles Crohn's disease clinically and radiologically, and it may be difficult to differentiate between them, even at laparotomy or histology. The distinction is important, however, for proper management of the two conditions. Every effort must be made to exclude abdominal tuberculosis before the patient is diagnosed as having Crohn's disease and is treated with steroids. ted ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:57:00 -0500 From: "Happich, Gina" <Happich.Gina@tbs-sct.gc.ca> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: FW: Dysbiosis article Message-ID: <15D3E195D8EBD011849A00805F1992182056E4@SERVER8> -----Original Message----- From: Happich, Gina Sent: November 12, 1997 4:54 PM To: 'Jim Ferron' Subject: RE: Dysbiosis article I asked D. Hartl to send me a copy by mail and today the postman returned the envelope because of wrong postage for the size of envelope. We (those living in Canada) expect a mail strike to start as early as midnight tonight, so there is no point affixing the correct postage for now....If you are able to e-mail the article, please include me. Thanks. (If not, I will try using the snail mail after the strike.) Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ferron [SMTP:Denali321@AOL.COM] Sent: November 11, 1997 11:39 AM To: Laplaine, Marc; Happich, Gina; SCD Subject: Re: Dysbiosis article I have made some calls today to the American College of the Advancement of Medicine (ACAM), they publish the journal and have referred me to HSP the publisher. I should have a response from them today and permission to reprint. To avoid duplication of efforts and annoyment of HSP, please wait to hear from me again before anyone else tries to acquire the soughtafter information. If I hit a dead-end I will let everyone know. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:20:15 -0800 From: "paulah" <paulah@cmc.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Protein powder Message-ID: <199711122330.PAA29461@mailhost.cmc.net> Hello all, Does anyone know if a protein powder made from whey peptides is allowed on the diet. The label says 1.5g carbohydrate per serving. There are no sugars of any type added. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:47:29 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Protein powder Message-ID: <199711122350.3820600@bedford.net> > From: paulah <paulah@cmc.net> > Does anyone know if a protein powder made from whey peptides is > allowed on the diet. The label says 1.5g carbohydrate per serving. There > are no sugars of any type added. > 1.5g carbohydrate isn't saying much. The actual type of carbohydrates is what is important. Why on earth do you need a protein powder when on the SCD? Are you following a vegetarian version? Most of us are probably getting 2-3 times the amount that a normal person would consume. Bill ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #98 ********************** SCD-list Thu, 13 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 99 In this issue: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? apple sauce Re: apple sauce Tactile sensitivity Re: apple sauce Re: Re: Cheese Re: Re: Cheese Re: apple sauce tactile sensitivity Re: tactile sensitivity bentonite Re: Protein powder Re: apple sauce subscribe rhubarb, Chinese herbs -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:01:06 -0600 From: stockrg@juno.com (Robert Stockbridge) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Message-ID: <19971112.210107.6390.4.stockrg@juno.com> unscribe SCD-list rgstock@usa.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:25:55 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971112222555.006d0238@smartt.com> At 01:07 PM 11/12/97 CST, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >i thought this was interesting > >======================================================= > >Int J Clin Pract 1997 Jun;51(4):246-247 > >Koch's or Crohn's? > >Kapoor VK > >Department of Surgical Gastroenterology, Sanjay Gandhi Postgraduate Institute of Medical Sciences, >Lucknow, India. > >Abdominal tuberculosis is not uncommon in the UK, especially in Asian immigrants. It resembles >Crohn's disease clinically and radiologically, and it may be difficult to differentiate between them, >even at laparotomy or histology. The distinction is important, however, for proper management of the >two conditions. Every effort must be made to exclude abdominal tuberculosis before the patient is >diagnosed as having Crohn's disease and is treated with steroids. > >ted > > Yes, that IS interesting. So, where to next? Find other researchers with same finding? (I notice it's a 1997 report, thus perhaps totally new to the research community?) And if "yes" (i.e. it's corroberated), then what/ Dietmar ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:46:56 +0100 From: Kristine Vaernholt <dko3700@vip.cybercity.dk> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <346ACC90.F01@vip.cybercity.dk> Hi, This is a clip from an article from the CCFA. I've only clipped a small part, because I didn't want to risk infringing on anyones copyright. Severly so - anyway : <------------------------------------------------------------------> The first two parts of this series dealt with 1997 grants in the areas of immunology and genetics. This final section involves just one new grant. However, its subject -- Mycobacterium paratuberculosis -- has been causing a stir since 1913. It was in that year that a Glasgow surgeon, Dr. Dalziel, published a paper describing the illness that eventually became known as Crohn's disease. Dr. Dalziel believed Crohn's to originate from bacterium known as Mycobacterium paratuberculosis. This bacterium causes intestinal tuberculosis and paratuberculosis, diseases with similar symptoms to Crohn's. But Dr. Dalziel could not prove this connection. In 1932, Burrill B. Crohn and his coinvestigators, the first to document Crohn's disease, also could not find a bacterial origin. <------------------------------------------------------------------> The article goes on at length about research done and research needed and deosn't really conclude didely. If anyone knows were one can get ones hands on the *results* of those researches (there must me something out there ?), then I for one would be very interested. You see - my dad had what they call *an encapsulated tuberculosis*. Which cann't be treated convetionally and surgery (was back then) supposed to be too dangerous. On the other hand an encapsulated tuberculosis wasn't (isn't) supposed to be contagious. But I remember being screened for lung tuberculosis - I think it was about every other year. So somebody wanted to be on the safe side.... Nowadays I cann't help wondering whether a lung tuberculosis can migrate to the intestines ? Kris ;-> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:39:35 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: apple sauce Message-ID: <346B1F37.9A1E3B31@snet.net> are there commercial apple sauces out there that do not contain added sugar? I recently phoned the Mott's co. re: their Natural Apple sauce (unsweetened) . A customer representative said it does NOT contain added sugar, but they would not send me WRITTEN documentation to that effect. Any one else eating coomercial apple sauce? jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:54:57 -0500 From: "Randall Kindig" <rkindig@iquest.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: apple sauce Message-ID: <01bcf033$583b2240$172419ac@pc9003.cinergy.com> I'm eating the Mott's. It's never caused me a problem. -----Original Message----- From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 7:41 AM Subject: apple sauce >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >are there commercial apple sauces out there that do not contain added >sugar? > >I recently phoned the Mott's co. re: their Natural Apple sauce >(unsweetened) . A customer representative said it does NOT contain added >sugar, but they would not send me WRITTEN documentation to that effect. > >Any one else eating coomercial apple sauce? > >jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:32:49 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971113063028.18c7add8@megamed.com> My son has a lot of tactile issues. He has improved, no longer jumps when you touch him, still it is painful for him to have you touch his head. Would this be a bacterial issue, a candida issue, or what? Also, he simply lacks the life of other children. He is not so much autistic as simply sick, with what I do not know. He has a pallor about him. He was on antibiotics for a long time for ear infections, which turned out to be a milk allergy. On the SCD diet, the diarrhea is gone. He had alternating bouts of diarrhea and by diarrhea I mean you would find a sticky mess in his pants, not a runny diarrhea. He had trouble controlling his bowels, now this problem is gone. So wouldn't this alone, mean he is absorbing at least some nutrients better, now that the diarrhea has stopped? How would I know if he has Crohns, what are the symptoms? I have never seen a bloody stool, but then he is kind of private about the stools! So, I feel the SCD diet is benefitting him in halting the diarrhea. I have not noticed more energy yet on the SCD diet, will this come? Also, the SCD diet seems (I could be wrong here) to be against using supplements like Olive Leaf Extract, Soil Based Organisms, and so forth. Some of the parents of autistic kids are reporting success with the above two. I have him on a totally natural SCD diet. I have been giving very small amounts of raw garlic to discourage fungus. I have also not been giving him much fruit. He can eat a ton of food, what is happening to it????? A typical meal would be a Romaine salad with no dressing, some raw yellow peppers, a turkey burger, some winter squash with butter on it, and a zucchini muffin for dessert. He can eat all of this and more and then will still say, "I am hungry." This hunger was NOT there when he was on carbos such as rice bread, potatoes, etc. Any ideas on how to get some weight on him? And some color? I am also giving a multivitamin which sometimes makes him flush, I think due to the niacin. Also, am giving calcium lactate pills, as well as friendly bacteria. I would like to start the dry curd cheese, have not started due to his former dairy allergy. Am planning to try the cheesecake recipe with much smaller amounts of honey. If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it! Thanks, Moira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:39:10 -0500 From: Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: apple sauce Message-ID: <l03010d03b090b35ba0a4@[141.213.25.73]> Jeff, I'm also eating the natural mott's applesause. I haven't experienced any problems. --Annie >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >are there commercial apple sauces out there that do not contain added >sugar? > >I recently phoned the Mott's co. re: their Natural Apple sauce >(unsweetened) . A customer representative said it does NOT contain added >sugar, but they would not send me WRITTEN documentation to that effect. > >Any one else eating coomercial apple sauce? > >jeff Ann Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 313-647-7187 fx: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:28:28 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: rachel@longisland.com, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Re: Cheese Message-ID: <971113092827_594523105@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Thank you for answering. I have been using about two tablespoons of Parmesan cheese (no added milk solids) sprinkled on my daily salads. As I said, I have not noticed any adverse reactions, but I just want to make sure that I am not going overboard. Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Re: Cheese Message-ID: <971113093029_1246760224@mrin83.mail.aol.com> I suppose you are right. Thanks for the info. Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 06:59:16 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: apple sauce Message-ID: <199711131459.GAA08243@pnn.com> The applesauce that I eat seems to be OK. It is Seneca unsweetened. Label says it only contains apples and water and from my lack of reaction to it, I believe it. Tom On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:39:35 -0800, jeff goldschlager wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >are there commercial apple sauces out there that do not contain added >sugar? ... > >Any one else eating coomercial apple sauce? > >jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <971113120911_785283930@mrin54.mail.aol.com> I can just imagine how hard you are working at this. My 2 cents about kids, candida, and milk allergies. Most of my kids have milk allergies and showed different reactions to it from bed wetting to stomach pains and diarrhea. They are dairy free, but when I went on the SCD, I tried giving them the allowable cheeses and they seem to be doing fine with them (2 weeks). Also, there are a lot of calories here and the cheese is filling (DCCC custard is a big hit). They also like the granola (lots of calories) which brings up the candida and the fruit issue. I have candida and now eat all the fruit I want and I'm getting lots better. I personally believe its better to "let go" of past learned behaviors from other diets and just strictly follow the scd (including your other supplements). But, as I'm sure you do, just introduce each new food group (cheese, fruit and honey) separately. My kids are much more satisfied with fruit and honey treats which may fill the carbo void your son feels. They fill them up and add calories between meals (which one of mine really needs also). Elaine says this diet takes care of candida so I would do everything on this diet and try not to avoid any of the foods unless there is a difinite reaction to it. Take care of yourself too! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:14:10 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <199711131714.LAA00523@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, Elaine does say this diet takes care of candida, but she also says that people with this problem should really limit their intake of honey at first. I don't have the book here at work so I can't cite the page reference. Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Thu Nov 13 11:10 CST 1997 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) > From: Kebridan@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: tactile sensitivity > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1443 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I can just imagine how hard you are working at this. My 2 cents about kids, > candida, and milk allergies. Most of my kids have milk allergies and showed > different reactions to it from bed wetting to stomach pains and diarrhea. > They are dairy free, but when I went on the SCD, I tried giving them the > allowable cheeses and they seem to be doing fine with them (2 weeks). Also, > there are a lot of calories here and the cheese is filling (DCCC custard is a > big hit). They also like the granola (lots of calories) which brings up the > candida and the fruit issue. I have candida and now eat all the fruit I want > and I'm getting lots better. I personally believe its better to "let go" of > past learned behaviors from other diets and just strictly follow the scd > (including your other supplements). But, as I'm sure you do, just introduce > each new food group (cheese, fruit and honey) separately. My kids are much > more satisfied with fruit and honey treats which may fill the carbo void your > son feels. They fill them up and add calories between meals (which one of > mine really needs also). Elaine says this diet takes care of candida so I > would do everything on this diet and try not to avoid any of the foods unless > there is a difinite reaction to it. Take care of yourself too! Jane > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:14:58 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: bentonite Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971113111236.2fbf3eda@megamed.com> Is bentonite allowed on the SCD diet? It is a cleanser to move dead yeast and other toxins out of the body. Are colon irrigations allowed, water only. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 11:59:07 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Protein powder Message-ID: <9711131859.AA86220@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Paula, > Does anyone know if a protein powder made from whey peptides .... I don't have the book with me, however I am certain that the key word *whey* is a no-no on the diet. I believe it is a variation of wheat (or lactose). Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: El1256@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: apple sauce Message-ID: <971113151525_1670488827@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Jeff search your local health food store. I use a brand called Santa Cruz, no added sugar, and organic to boot, since I am allergic to the sprays. They taste good too. Elizabeth W. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) From: BAMCGREGOR@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <971113160210_29265852@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Hello, I would very much like to subscribe to the SCD-list. My e-mail address is [BAMCGREGOR]. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:29:54 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: rhubarb, Chinese herbs Message-ID: <199711131631_MC2-2813-380C@compuserve.com> Prateeksha wrote: <<She recommended a traditional Chinese Botanical which is made of Dong Quai Root and Rhubarb Root to bring chi to the colon; it is non-purgative, non-cathartic and is often used for travelers. Anyone know about this? >> Rhubarb root (Da Huang) actually is a strong purgative, in fact it's the principal herb for purgative therapy in the Chinese pharmacopea. I doubt it is much used by travelers. A patent called "Pill Curing" is most often used for travers' diarrhea (not rhubarb, which would be used for various types of constipation). Dong Quai iis classified as a "blood tonic," and is somewhat "greasy." It can be used for moistening the intestines (so again, for dry constipation). But please do not mess around with Chinese herbs on the advice of a network chiropractor, unless that invididual has training in Chinese herbs. In the Chinese tradition, herbs are individually prescribed according to how a particular person presents at a particular time (and within the system of Chinese medical theory), not for a general condition, and it takes training, experience and talent to do this. Also, Chinese herbs are almost always prescribed in combination formulas (not singly, as western herbs are); these formulas have hundreds of years of clinical experience behind them -- again, a matter of training. Go to a Chinese herbalist if you want these herbs. They're very powerful. I would suspect them of containing various SCD-prohibited starches, especially the roots, but nobody knows for sure. They've been analyzed, but who knows, for example, if valerophenone, one of the active ingredients in Dong Quai, or any of the 12 ginsenosides (from Ginseng root) are allowed on the SCD? John Blank ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #99 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 14 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 100 In this issue: Re: rhubarb, Chinese herbs Re: Holiday visit to Texas spelt Re: Morning Tea Re: Split Pea Soup.. Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Newsweek article Re: spelt RE: spelt Re: SCD-list V1 #99 FYI on Heparin Trials -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:07:26 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: rhubarb, Chinese herbs Message-ID: <l03110700b09154b02fd8@[206.40.74.48]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear John, Thanks for the good advice re Chinese herbs. Prateeksha >Prateeksha wrote: > ><<She recommended a traditional >Chinese Botanical which is made of Dong Quai Root and Rhubarb Root to bring >chi to the colon; it is non-purgative, non-cathartic and is often used for >travelers. Anyone know about this? >> > >Rhubarb root (Da Huang) actually is a strong purgative, in fact it's the >principal herb for purgative therapy in the Chinese pharmacopea. I doubt >it is much used by travelers. A patent called "Pill Curing" is most often >used for travers' diarrhea (not rhubarb, which would be used for various >types of constipation). Dong Quai iis classified as a "blood tonic," and >is somewhat "greasy." It can be used for moistening the intestines (so >again, for dry constipation). But please do not mess around with Chinese >herbs on the advice of a network chiropractor, unless that invididual has >training in Chinese herbs. In the Chinese tradition, herbs are >individually prescribed according to how a particular person presents at a >particular time (and within the system of Chinese medical theory), not for >a general condition, and it takes training, experience and talent to do >this. Also, Chinese herbs are almost always prescribed in combination >formulas (not singly, as western herbs are); these formulas have hundreds >of years of clinical experience behind them -- again, a matter of training. > Go to a Chinese herbalist if you want these herbs. They're very >powerful. > >I would suspect them of containing various SCD-prohibited starches, >especially the roots, but nobody knows for sure. They've been analyzed, >but who knows, for example, if valerophenone, one of the active ingredients >in Dong Quai, or any of the 12 ginsenosides (from Ginseng root) are >allowed on the SCD? > >John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:11:02 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Holiday visit to Texas Message-ID: <l03110701b0915554564c@[206.40.74.46]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerry, thanks for your reply re this. Liz also posted the same info. Very helpful since I eat so much of it, every morning for breakfast, mixed with yogurt and blueberries! Prateeksha >Yes you can find it at most of the larger Tom Thumb Stores and Whole Foods. > Had it tonite in the scd lasagana!!!! > >Gerry >At 03:24 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Hi Everyone, >> >>I'm visiting family in Dallas-Ft. Worth area during Christmas holidays and >>am wondering if there is anyone on the SCD list who lives in that area and >>can tell me if you are able to find DCCC there and where if so. >> >>Thanks, Prateeksha >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:25:01 -0700 From: "MHS" <msimons@rtd.com> To: "*SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: spelt Message-ID: <01bcf0ac$e40671c0$8b4466c6@default> I have been on the SCD for 11 months. Things are going really well. However, I still miss breads. I have heard that bread made of spelt has been successful for some Crohns sufferers. I am new here; do any of you have any insight in this matter? -Mike msimons@rtd.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:55:52 -0700 (MST) From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Morning Tea Message-ID: <v03110705b0911a209497@[169.197.32.129]> Simone: >For those of you suffering from diarrhea, someone told me about a Japanese >tea called Morning Tea. > >It contains KUZU, BANCHA TEA, and GINGER. > >A lady who had cured herself of CD 16 years ago told me about it, and who to >ask for the recipe. She was on the macrobiotic diet and herbal supplemets, >and the lady who gave me the recipe for the tea is a macrobiotic specialist > (I am still loyal to SCD). She told me that the tea should give me a >regular BM, and to stop drinking it as soon as the BM is back to normal as >the body may become depended on it. It should not be drunk for more than one >month, and the time it takes for it to work differs from person to person. > >Has anyone heard of this tea and used it? Sheila: Kuzu I believe is also Kudzu. It's a white starchy root and it definitely binds the system. However, with IBD the starch might exacerbate inflammation! It is macro and I've heard it used for diarrhea with umebeoshi plum and miso. >has anyone heard or used Sweedish >Bitters? SS I believe the health food stores have 2 kinds of bitters one of which is called Swedish Bitters. The bitters help digestion plus have many other properties. Christopher Hobbs in his book The Foundations of Health, A Liver and Digestive Herbal, gets into bitters and has an excellent formula one can make at home. ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:01:18 -0700 (MST) From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Split Pea Soup.. Message-ID: <v03110706b0911c000573@[169.197.32.129]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Everyone, That Split Pea Soup does sound good! I was hoping to find the >recipe for it in Elaine's Book. Anyone have a recipe for this that they would >like to pass on to the group? Thanks..JoEllen Sheila: Hi...A friend passed this on to me and I modified it to my taste. I like some of it raw. SPLIT PEA AND SPINACH SOUP 2 cups chopped onions (2-3 cups) 1 cup diced carrots (1-2 cups) 1 TBS chopped garlic (1-5 cloves of garlic) 2 anaheim chiles chopped (1-3 chiles) 2 cups green split peas, sorted and rinsed 9 cups water or vegetable stock 2 10 oz bags of baby spinach leaves (or what is available) 1 TBS lemon juice 1-2 TBS sea salt Set aside 1/3 to 1/2 of chopped vegetables to add back raw later. In a Dutch oven or 4 quart saucepan, combine the onions, carrots, garlic, chiles, split peas, salt, and water or vegetable stock. Raise the heat to medium high and bring to a boil. Reduce the heat to medium low, cover the pot, and cook for 2 hours or until peas are tender and the soup is thick. Remove from the heat. Add lemon juice, remainder of raw vegetables, and 1 bag of baby spinach leaves. Stir until spinach leaves are wilted and blended in the soup. Add the second bag of spinach leaves and stir until they are blended in the soup. Sample for desired amount of salt. Adjust. Transfer about 1/3 to 1/2 of the soup to a blender or food processor and process until smooth. Pour back into the pot. Soup is ready to go. I changed the original recipe because I like part of it raw. I increased the amounts of the vegetables. See amounts in parentheses. Use your own judgment on quantities of vegetables. ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:49:36 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971113214936.006a84b0@smartt.com> At 10:46 AM 11/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi, > >This is a clip from an article from the CCFA. I've only clipped a small >part, because I didn't want to risk infringing on anyones copyright. >Severly so - anyway : > ><------------------------------------------------------------------> >The first two parts of this series dealt with 1997 grants in the areas >of immunology and genetics. This final section involves just one new >grant. However, its subject -- Mycobacterium paratuberculosis -- has >been causing a stir since 1913. > >It was in that year that a Glasgow surgeon, Dr. Dalziel, published a >paper describing the illness that eventually became known as Crohn's >disease. Dr. Dalziel believed Crohn's to originate from bacterium known >as Mycobacterium paratuberculosis. This bacterium causes intestinal >tuberculosis and paratuberculosis, diseases with similar symptoms to >Crohn's. But Dr. Dalziel could not prove this connection. In 1932, >Burrill B. Crohn and his coinvestigators, the first to document Crohn's >disease, also could not find a bacterial origin. ><------------------------------------------------------------------> > >The article goes on at length about research done and research needed >and deosn't really conclude didely. >If anyone knows were one can get ones hands on the *results* of those >researches (there must me something out there ?), then I for one would >be very interested. > >You see - my dad had what they call *an encapsulated tuberculosis*. >Which cann't be treated convetionally and surgery (was back then) >supposed to be too dangerous. On the other hand an encapsulated >tuberculosis wasn't (isn't) supposed to be contagious. > >But I remember being screened for lung tuberculosis - I think it was >about every other year. So somebody wanted to be on the safe side.... > >Nowadays I cann't help wondering whether a lung tuberculosis can migrate >to the intestines ? > I'm not a pathologist, but I recently looked up tuberculosis in my pathology text because it's been in the news lately; it said that tuberculosis can affect virtually any part of the body, not just the lungs as we largely think of it. In fact, just to make sure I just looked it up again; "Mycobacterium tuberculosis" is the bacillus that causes it, it IS infectious, causes inflammatory inflitrations, abscesses, etc. Most common in respir. system, but other parts such as GASTROINTESTINAL & GENITOURINARY TRACTS (my emphasis), bones, joints, nervous system, lymph nodes & skin may become infected. jThree types exist: human, avian, and bovine (it's very common in cows, by which I'm presuming they mean amongst "normal" penned cows that are not allowed to graze freely on rangeland but "live" on these huge feedlots where they can hardly move & are basically forcefed?). So it sounds like a darn nasty bugger! And one can see how it can confuse the Crohn's issue. Dietmar >Kris ;-> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:03:49 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Newsweek article Message-ID: <19971114.100352.10478.1.rosset@juno.com> In case anyone is interested, in this weeks Newsweek magazine, Nov. 17th, page 95, there is an article titled "Gut Reactions." There is mention of a Michael Vonelli who had Crohn's and is now well thanks to a strict diet he went on. Elaine received a call from the reporter who wrote the article because the diet Vonelli was on was the SCD. Unfortunately, there was no mention of the SCD. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:22 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: spelt Message-ID: <l03110705b092543a3909@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Book, Elaine mentions that all the "new" grains that are around are also to be avoided. I also miss bread and today after being on the diet 5 months, will experiment with the Lt. Bread verson of Lois Lang's Luscious Bread. Someone on the internet group gave us this recipe several weeks ago. Supposedly, it's best when toasted. Let's give it a try, huh? Prateeksha >I have been on the SCD for 11 months. Things are going really well. >However, I still miss breads. >I have heard that bread made of spelt has been successful for some Crohns >sufferers. I am new here; do any of you have any insight in this matter? >-Mike >msimons@rtd.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 1997 15:43:15 EDT From: "Penny Freshwater" <PFRESHWA@HR.HOUSE.GOV> To: SCD-list@LONGISLAND.COM Subject: RE: spelt Message-ID: <FL06.PFRESHWA.580635140097318FFL06@HOUSE.GOV> as a newbie to the group I would appreciate it if you would post that recipe......and BTW, spelt is a very, very old grain not a new one, or was that why you used "s!!!! : ) Penny ________________________________________________________ From: INTERNET.SCDLIST on Fri, Nov 14, 1997 2:31 PM Subject: Re: spelt To: SCDLIST(INTERNET.SCDLIST); Penny Freshwater Received: from IODINE.HOUSE.GOV by HR.HOUSE.GOV (Soft*Switch Central V4L380P7); 14 Nov 1997 14:21:51 EDT Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by iodine.house.gov with ESMTP id NAA27008 for <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:18:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from infoasis.com ([206.40.74.5]) by mail.longisland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA202 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:20:16 -0500 Received: from [206.40.74.59] ([206.40.74.59] verified) by infoasis.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000084754 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:39 -0800 Message-Id: <l03110705b092543a3909@[206.40.74.59]> In-Reply-To: <01bcf0ac$e40671c0$8b4466c6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:22 -0800 To: SCD-list@longisland.com From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: spelt Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Book, Elaine mentions that all the "new" grains that are around are also to be avoided. I also miss bread and today after being on the diet 5 months, will experiment with the Lt. Bread verson of Lois Lang's Luscious Bread. Someone on the internet group gave us this recipe several weeks ago. Supposedly, it's best when toasted. Let's give it a try, huh? Prateeksha >I have been on the SCD for 11 months. Things are going really well. >However, I still miss breads. >I have heard that bread made of spelt has been successful for some Crohns >sufferers. I am new here; do any of you have any insight in this matter? >-Mike >msimons@rtd.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:44:23 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #99 Message-ID: <971114174423_-759236031@mrin42.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-14 12:23:51 EST, you write: << Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:39:35 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: apple sauce Message-ID: <346B1F37.9A1E3B31@snet.net> are there commercial apple sauces out there that do not contain added sugar? I recently phoned the Mott's co. re: their Natural Apple sauce (unsweetened) . A customer representative said it does NOT contain added sugar, but they would not send me WRITTEN documentation to that effect. Any one else eating coomercial apple sauce? jeff >> Jeff - seneca has "no added sugar". ingredients are apples, water. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 17:28:23 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: FYI on Heparin Trials Message-ID: <9711142328.AA20792@swansong.amd.com> FYI on Heparin for colitis =================================================================== Mr Kyle: Thank you for your interest in the heparin study. My colleague Dr Joshua Korzenik, at Washington University in St Louis, is coordinating the study and could answer your questions in more detail. Heparin is not approved for use in colitis in any country, so far as I am aware, and must be considered purely experimental until properly conducted studies (such as this one) show whether it has any benefit or role in treatment. While we think it works for some patients, we need a scientific answer. In order to do this study we had to obtain approval from the FDA to study heparin in colitis. Even if our study shows a dramatic positive benefit, I would not expect formal FDA approval of heparin for this indication for some time, if ever. We are still at step 1 (proving it works). If heparin works it will probably not be a long-term treatment option for most patients, since long term treatment with heparin can lead to bone problems. This isn't a problem with short term use (as in our study). It is possible that other forms such as low molecular weight heparin (which does not cause bone problems) might also be useful, but we are testing regular heparin because we think it is most likely to be of benefit. Heparin might induce remission in some, or in others serve as a bridge to other therapies that can prolong remission of the disease. I would not advise you (or your son's physicians) to use heparin outside of a medical study. It is possible, though, that if he participated in the study most of the interim blood tests could be done in your home town instead of in Oklahoma City. Thank you again for your interest. I wish your son success! I'd encourage you to contact Dr Korzenik for more information. Mark Topazian ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #100 *********************** SCD-list Sat, 15 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 101 In this issue: RE: spelt Re: spelt Re: protein powder Ginsing etc. Re: spelt Re: Newsweek article "Gut Reactions" (Focus on your Health, Nov. 17th) Sweedish Bitters RE: Tactile sensitivity RE: Protein powder RE: Newsweek article DRY CURD C.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:07:32 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: spelt Message-ID: <l03110700b092a50244c9@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- I knew as soon as I typed "new" that I'd hear about it! On page 49 of the Book, Elaine says that... "any cereal grain is strictly and absolutely forbidden, including corn, oats, wheat, rye, rice, millet, buckwheeat, or triticale in any form, whether as bread, cake, toast, zweiback, crackers, cookies, cereals, flour, or pastas. New grain substitutes are being placed on the market frequently. Some such as amaranth, quinoa, and cottonseed contain carbohydrates of unknown analysis and are not recommended while on this diet"... I don't know this for a fact, but I would imagine that spelt falls into the above forbidden category. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Wouldn't it be nice if it were all the above mentioned ones, except spelt! Then, we wouldn't be using so much almond flour, would we? And spelt bread is sold in the whole foods grocery stores in the refrigerator section...I'm drooling at the thought! Prateeksha >as a newbie to the group I would appreciate it if you would post that >recipe......and BTW, spelt is a very, very old grain not a new one, or >was that why you used "s!!!! : ) Penny >________________________________________________________ >From: INTERNET.SCDLIST on Fri, Nov 14, 1997 2:31 PM >Subject: Re: spelt >To: =9D=9DSCDLIST=9D(INTERNET.SCDLIST); Penny Freshwater > >Received: from IODINE.HOUSE.GOV by HR.HOUSE.GOV > (Soft*Switch Central V4L380P7); > 14 Nov 1997 14:21:51 EDT >Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by >iodine.house.gov with ESMTP id NAA27008 for <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>; >Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:18:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from infoasis.com >([206.40.74.5]) by mail.longisland.com > (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) > with SMTP id AAA202 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; > Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:20:16 -0500 >Received: from [206.40.74.59] ([206.40.74.59] verified) by infoasis.com >(Stalker SMTP Server 1.5) with ESMTP id S.0000084754 for ><SCD-list@longisland.com>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:39 -0800 Message-Id: ><l03110705b092543a3909@[206.40.74.59]> In-Reply-To: ><01bcf0ac$e40671c0$8b4466c6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: >text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:22 -0800 To: >SCD-list@longisland.com From: Prateeksha Bogardus ><prateeksha@infoasis.com> Subject: Re: spelt Reply-to: >SCD-list@longisland.com > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD >MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >In the Book, Elaine mentions that all the "new" grains that are around >are also to be avoided. > >I also miss bread and today after being on the diet 5 months, will >experiment with the Lt. Bread verson of Lois Lang's Luscious Bread. >Someone on the internet group gave us this recipe several weeks ago. >Supposedly, it's best when toasted. > >Let's give it a try, huh? > >Prateeksha > > >>I have been on the SCD for 11 months. Things are going really well. >>However, I still miss breads. >I have heard that bread made of spelt >has been successful for some Crohns >sufferers. I am new here; do any >of you have any insight in this matter? >-Mike >msimons@rtd.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: spelt Message-ID: <971114222933_306285119@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Prateeksha, I have celiac disease and I tried spelt bread. Forget it! It went right through me. A grain is a grain, old or new. The celiac diet which allows certain grains i.e. rice, did not work very well for me as I could not handle any of the allowable grains. Although I still have some problems after only 6 wks on scd nothing has ever worked this well for me. I hear what your saying though about something other than almond flour! But I can't believe spelt is any answer. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:25:04 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: protein powder Message-ID: <m0xWbfE-003KgdC@iaw.on.ca> >Hi Paula, > >> Does anyone know if a protein powder made from whey peptides .... > >I don't have the book with me, however I am certain that the key word >*whey* is a no-no on the diet. I believe it is a variation of >wheat (or lactose). > >Thanks... Dan. I don't know, I think the key word might be peptides. They are chains of amino acids, and therefore not carbohydrates and should be allowed on the diet. If these are the only ingredients though, I don't know where the carbohydrates that are listed on the label could be coming from. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:03:29 -0500 (EST) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: PFRESHWA@hr.house.gov, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Ginsing etc. Message-ID: <971115090329_1338567124@mrin40.mail.aol.com> I don't remember if we are allowed to use the herb Ginko Biloba. If anyone out there knows the answer, could you please respond? Thanks. Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:19:44 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: spelt Message-ID: <199711151524.2733000@bedford.net> No way is spelt even an option here. It is an old version of wheat, containing much less gluten, but still some. For those embarking on their first elimination diet (most practitioner's will tell you to give up sugars, wheat, corn and a few others) it is a good substitute. For those of poor digestive health, it's just wishful thinking. If I was in good health, I would probably have small amounts of spelt once or twice a week, but probably no more. It is full of complex carbohydrates, starches, and is most certainly a cereal grain. As far as it being a benefit in Crohns, my guess is that it has no therapeutic effect. Many Crohn's cases are misdiagnosed as celiac (gluten intolerance) and so in individuals able to digest a little gluten, they would see results. Bill ------------------------------ Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Wouldn't it be nice if it were all the above mentioned ones, except spelt! Then, we wouldn't be using so much almond flour, would we? And spelt bread is sold in the whole foods grocery stores in the refrigerator section...I'm drooling at the thought! Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:49:52 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Newsweek article "Gut Reactions" (Focus on your Health, Nov. 17th) Message-ID: <19971115.074957.10478.0.rosset@juno.com> I am writing a letter to the editor of Newsweek to identify the "very strict diet" in the article. Possibly if they hear from several of us it would be more effective. So if anyone in the group who has regained their health would like to try and give something back, here is an opportunity. I called Michael Vonelli yesterday, and he told me he has been on the SCD for over 3 years now, and owes his life to it. Newsweek probably receives thousands of letters, but it can't hurt to try. Lucy On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:03:49 -0800 rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- In >case anyone is interested, in this weeks Newsweek magazine, Nov. 17th, >page 95, there is an article titled "Gut Reactions." There is mention >of a Michael Vonelli who had Crohn's and is now well thanks to a >strict diet >he went on. Elaine received a call from the reporter who wrote the >article because the diet Vonelli was on was the SCD. Unfortunately, >there was no mention of the SCD. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Sweedish Bitters Message-ID: <971115121429_-1240102188@mrin38> Sheila, I will look into the book you mentioned, but my mom already has the original Sweedish Bitters recipe and has a bunch of it already made. But it tastes something awful. Since it's made with alcohol (vodka), I keep getting drunk off one simple dose (1 Tbs in a cup of tea 3 times a day). Besides, I didn't know the effect of alcohol on my compromised CD colon, so now I am considering applying it on my abdomen and letting it absorb through the skin. Any take on that? Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:16 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E43@LOGIXMAIL> Moira, It seems that you are making super progress! It has only been a short while that he has been on SCD and you are seeing remarkable progress it seems to me as an outside observer (reader of emails??). A couple of observations or comments about things you say here. I am not aware that SCD is against the use of either Olive Leaf Extract or Soil based organisms as you say. I use both of them and feel they are helping me. I have a long history with Candida. My own energy has increased gradually on SCD and I would not look for an overnite kind of recovery, expecially after the "hits" he has taken to his immune system with all the antibiotics etc. I would look for a slow, but steady increase in energy. I would also try to go with his hunger instincts as much as is possible. If he is hungry, give him more SCD food to eat. His body is crying out for nutrition it would seem. Also, SCD tends to be a fairly low residue type diet so it will not cause there to be huge amounts of stool. At least it does not with me. Perhaps, others can comment on this too?? Calcium Lactate is calcium bound to lactose sugar as I understand it, and is not to be used at all with SCD. This could be a big issue for him right now. Everything I read says that virtually all the foods we eat have calcium in it and the idea of having to supplement more calcium is most probably a myth. "Drink Your Milk" is a multi billion dollar advertising slogan and only causes more and more allergies. Perhaps you would do well to ask Elaine what she thinks about your sons need for calcium supplementation. If needed, I have read that Calcium "AEP" is the best way to supplement CA. (I think this is the correct abbreviation and I don't know what AEP means but perhaps someones else here does.) Whatever, I would encourage you to fell encouraged with the progress that you are experiencing with your son! Hang in there! Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 6:33 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Tactile sensitivity > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > My son has a lot of tactile issues. He has improved, no longer jumps > when > you touch him, still it is painful for him to have you touch his head. > > Would this be a bacterial issue, a candida issue, or what? > > Also, he simply lacks the life of other children. He is not so much > autistic > as simply sick, with what I do not know. He has a pallor about him. He > was > on antibiotics for a long time for ear infections, which turned out to > be a > milk allergy. > > On the SCD diet, the diarrhea is gone. He had alternating bouts of > diarrhea > and by diarrhea I mean you would find a sticky mess in his pants, not > a > runny diarrhea. He had trouble controlling his bowels, now this > problem is gone. > > So wouldn't this alone, mean he is absorbing at least some nutrients > better, > now that the diarrhea has stopped? > > How would I know if he has Crohns, what are the symptoms? I have never > seen > a bloody stool, but then he is kind of private about the stools! > > So, I feel the SCD diet is benefitting him in halting the diarrhea. > > I have not noticed more energy yet on the SCD diet, will this come? > > Also, the SCD diet seems (I could be wrong here) to be against using > supplements like Olive Leaf Extract, Soil Based Organisms, and so > forth. > Some of the parents of autistic kids are reporting success with the > above two. > > I have him on a totally natural SCD diet. I have been giving very > small > amounts of raw garlic to discourage fungus. > > I have also not been giving him much fruit. > > He can eat a ton of food, what is happening to it????? > > A typical meal would be a Romaine salad with no dressing, some raw > yellow > peppers, a turkey burger, some winter squash with butter on it, and a > zucchini muffin for dessert. He can eat all of this and more and then > will > still say, "I am hungry." This hunger was NOT there when he was on > carbos > such as rice bread, potatoes, etc. > > Any ideas on how to get some weight on him? And some color? > > I am also giving a multivitamin which sometimes makes him flush, I > think due > to the niacin. Also, am giving calcium lactate pills, as well as > friendly > bacteria. > > I would like to start the dry curd cheese, have not started due to his > former dairy allergy. Am planning to try the cheesecake recipe with > much > smaller amounts of honey. > > If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it! > > Thanks, > > Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:33 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Protein powder Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E49@LOGIXMAIL> Paula, whey is a milk by-product and there are protien powders that claim to have zero lactose in them. I believe that there is whey in both DCCC and Yoghurt but I could be mistaken about this. Lactose is the issue it seems, not whey. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Woods [SMTP:dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 11:59 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Protein powder > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Paula, > > > Does anyone know if a protein powder made from whey peptides .... > > I don't have the book with me, however I am certain that the key word > *whey* is a no-no on the diet. I believe it is a variation of > wheat (or lactose). > > Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:37:10 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Newsweek article Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E53@LOGIXMAIL> That is awesome! I read that article and thought it was very well done. I wondered about what diet he went on. I sure wish they would have mentioned that it was SCD and interviewed Elaine! Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: rosset@juno.com [SMTP:rosset@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 11:04 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Newsweek article > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > In case anyone is interested, in this weeks Newsweek magazine, Nov. > 17th, > page 95, there is an article titled "Gut Reactions." There is mention > of > a Michael Vonelli who had Crohn's and is now well thanks to a strict > diet > he went on. Elaine received a call from the reporter who wrote the > article because the diet Vonelli was on was the SCD. Unfortunately, > there > was no mention of the SCD. > Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: MMMMSTEVE@aol.com To: SCD-LIST@longisland.com Subject: DRY CURD C.C. Message-ID: <971115171515_1138281279@mrin86.mail.aol.com> HERE IS A COMPANY NAME AND NUMBER FOR THIS PRODUCT WHICH IS A NEW ITEM IN THE MARKET. I FOUND IT IN NEW YORK . COUNTRY FARMS DAIRY INC 914 632 9656 NO FAT DRY FARMER CHEESE This is off the label and I purchases it in Dagastino. I called the company and they are producing it in the states and is only been on the market a few months good luck ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #101 ***********************
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