SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Mon, 17 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 103 In this issue: protein powder Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Re: SCD-list V1 #101 RE: Tactile sensitivity Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey RE: SCD, 6MP and fisulas Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey RE: SCD, 6MP and fisulas Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey Elaine's Book Elaine's book Lois Lang bread confused about DCCC Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Re: Lois Lang bread Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? mercury -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:19:57 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: protein powder Message-ID: <199711162020_MC2-286D-A0DB@compuserve.com> Hello all, "Whey" is what's left over after the "curds" are taken out, when you culture milk. It has nothing to do with wheat. Remember your nursery rhymes? E.g., the liquid in our yoghurt is a type of whey. Whey from milk has protein in it (casein). It may have other stuff in it that we can't use, such as lactose -- depending on what the fermentation process is. John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:52:08 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <l03110700b09549106088@[206.40.74.62]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Joan, Well, I made the Lt. version of bread last Friday. I made it in the small set of 4 baking pans, putting about 1/4 batter in each (really not quite enough for those loaf pans) so next time will just put all the batter into only 3 pans. I baked an hour (it just wouldn't get brown!) and when the knife was inserted into one of the little loaves, it came out clean as a whistle! I have tried the bread...don't like the smell of it at all, however, it ain't bad sliced very thin and toasted in my small countertop oven. I tried almond butter smeared on the top of one of the slices toasted...didn't like it...just too much almonds...bread and top. But, cheddar cheese slices on top with a little mustard tasted pretty good, along with olives on the side. Nice little snack. Don't see myself toasting this for breakfast...will stick to my muffins for that. I just wonder if you made the bread in a large loaf pan, or the 4 small ones? Like she suggested in the given recipe? What I find with these recipes, is that they are such an exercise in putting my intuition to good use! I find I have to be really present when mixing the ingredients to see if the amounts are "enough" and I've never been much into baking...until now! But, I keep adjusting, altering, feeling the mixture as I prepare it and I am really coming up with food that is pretty good. I have been on the diet 5 months now and have gained back all the weight I had lost! Hope I don't gain anymore! But, this half and half yogurt, pumpkin cookies, banana bread, pecan/honey crisps, muffins, wouldn't have anything to do with that, would they? Joan, let us know how your banana bread experiment comes out. I made banana bread recently, putting in pecans and using the small loaf pans and it turned out really wonderful...one of the best things on the diet! Hard to restrain myself from eating a loaf at a time! Prateeksha >In a message dated 97-11-16 00:29:49 EST, you write: > ><< >I also miss bread and today after being on the diet 5 months, will > >experiment with the Lt. Bread verson of Lois Lang's Luscious Bread. > >Someone on the internet group gave us this recipe several weeks ago. > >Supposedly, it's best when toasted. > > > >Let's give it a try, huh? > > > >Prateeksha > >im sticking with the original recipe! this bread fell apart all to hell! what >i would also like to try is the banana bread recipe OMITTING the bananas and >the sweet stuff and see if a regular bread would turn out just as soft. may >have to add another egg? dont know but want to try getting a softer bread and >the banana bread would be perfect. > >Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:52:23 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <l03110701b0954bd10629@[206.40.74.62]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jane and Joan, Believe me...I am truly grateful for ALMOND FLOUR!!!!!! Prateeksha >In a message dated 97-11-16 00:29:49 EST, you write: > ><< 6 wks on scd nothing has ever worked this well for me. I hear what your > saying though about something other than almond flour! But I can't believe > spelt is any answer. Take care, Jane > > and we'd all be bitching without the almond flour! im thankful for IT > >Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:39:44 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971116203723.2b876c20@megamed.com> No, but I have a ton of mercury amalgams in my mouth! and his hair analysis shows high mercury/low calcium for example. Anyway, do you have ideas for my questions? And also, couldn't it have been the SBOs that got rid of the candida??? I thought no SBOS on this diet? At 03:41 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >See below: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 6:57 AM >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dear Pat, >> >> Thanks SO MUCH for the info about calcium lactate, I read in Elaine's >> book >> that children/babies may need extra calcium, so I gave him this, never >> even >> thinking about lactose! Thanks so much. [Pat Sullivan] Your welcome! >> >> I think now that you mention it she recommends calcium AEP in the >> book, will >> look for it. [Pat Sullivan] Actually, I don't see where she mentions >> AEP specifically. This is something I read elswhere and don't >> remember where. >> >> I need some advice on vitamins/minerals. Should I get the vitamins >> from >> Freeda, or is there a brand available at the health food store? Also, >> do >> most of you find you need a B12 shot, as in the book she mentioned >> that some >> people do need a boost of their B12. Does anyone have any brands of >> calcium >> (AEP) that they recommend. [Pat Sullivan] Personally, I am currently >> using vitamins and minerals called Matrix which I get from Peak Energy >> 1-800-331-2303. Like Elaine recommends, these are low dosage but are >> supposed to be extremely well absorbed and are all in the "active" >> forms, expecially the minerals. This company focuses on dealing with >> Mercury Toxic individuals and thus they recommend very low dosages of >> B12 since it is supposed to "methylate" mercury which in their minds >> is bad since methyl mercury is 50 - 100 times more toxic than straight >> mercury. I am not aware that I need more b12 as I have not been >> tested. >> >> How do you know if you need a B12 shot? [Pat Sullivan] There are >> tests that a doctor can do to determine levels of b12 and whether or >> not you need injections. They also look for anemia as low b12 is one >> of the causes of anemia >> >> As far as soil based and olive leaf extract, it was my understanding >> that >> Elaine was NOT for them. It was my feeling she was very strongly >> against them. [Pat Sullivan] If so, it is not in her book and I don't >> remember reading it here. I've only been on this list for about 45 >> days so it could be previous to that.She obviously highly recommends >> Yoghurt which carries lots of these types of bacterias into the >> intestinal tract. In my case, I still cannot yet tolerate Yoghurt or >> cheese and thus am missing out on this important element unless I take >> them in capsule or powder form, which I do. >> >> Some of the parents of autistic kids are having great results with >> soil >> based organisms, they replace the yeast and bad bacteria in the >> intestine, >> so I am very torn on this issue. My best friend up in Washington is >> having >> great results, as are others. She gave her son SBOs and then tested >> his >> urine and his yeast and bad bacteria were nearly gone. [Pat Sullivan] >> I would go with this if I were you! >> >> I am wondering if our kids have had SO MANY antibiotics that they may >> need a >> boost from the soil based to get rid of the dysbiosis, and then >> MAINTAIN the >> new flora with Elaine's diet. What does the List think? [Pat >> Sullivan] I think you are correct and unless Elaine has a contrary >> opinion I would go with what is working for others in the treatment of >> your son. >> >> Do you think it is ok to give him some garlic, I tried some raw garlic >> myself and wow, talk about die off, I only took about half a clove and >> had >> MAJOR die off the next day! [Pat Sullivan] Small amounts and then >> gradually build up! Garlic is extremley effective as you discovered. >> I would certainly recommend it for you but start slow and then >> gradually add more! >> >> I read in a book on garlic that aged garlic is better for candida, do >> you >> know what kind to get? [Pat Sullivan] Kyolic Aged Garlic is usually >> the one recommended. Most non-liquid garlic, including Kyolic powders >> have non SCD allowed stuff added to it! I use a lot of Kyolic Liq. >> Garlic and notice a difference when I forget to take it or when I >> travel and forget it at home. The Liquid can be hidden in foodstuffs >> to, or put in capsules for your son. Raw garlic in caps is also very >> effective and cheap! >> >> His stomach is distended and hard like a balloon, even though he is >> very >> thin. My other kids have soft stomachs/abdomens. Would this be an >> indication >> of yeast or bad bacteria or both?? [Pat Sullivan] Yes, from >> everything I have read. This is common symptom of major dysbiosis >> including candida, bacteria and parasites all of which both garlic and >> olive leaf extract deals with. I use both! >> >> I KNOW my son is not autistic, he has incredibly bad dysbiosis due to >> yeast, >> bacteria, or, some research is showing, the MMR vaccine invading the >> lymph >> nodes of the colon and damaging it. In any case, I need to get to the >> bottom >> of this dysbiosis. Soil based organisms are also curing Crohns >> disease, so >> my friend in Washington State said. [Pat Sullivan] Go with it! >> >> In case you guys did not know this, the so called "autism" diagnosis >> is >> absolutely booming, some say as a result of very early and very >> intensive >> vaccinations., which disrupt the normal immune system,which then >> predispose >> the baby to infections, which lead to antibiotics, which lead to >> dysbiosis, >> which leads to toxins in the blood affecting the brain, etc. [Pat >> Sullivan] Great desciption. Our kids are being hurt at a very early >> age. Consider the tremendous increase in ADD which also usually >> responds very well to Diet and dysbiosis treatment! >> >> If anyone has any advice, I am kind of desperate, my son is stimming >> (obsessing) on fans again. >> >> Could my giving him calcium lactate have screwed up the diet enough to >> make >> him worse?? [Pat Sullivan] Absolutely! Lactose is very bad! DON'T >> beat yourself up over it though. You did not know and now can quickly >> get back on track. Mistakes are part of the process of learning! >> > [Pat Sullivan] > > Moria, just out of curiosity, does your son have any mercury >amalgams?? > >> What happened to the article on dysbiosis, is it coming? >> >> Again thanks, >> >> Moira, > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:39:49 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971116203727.2787c1da@megamed.com> Great job, Pat! Very interesting. Was it hard getting them out, I'd like to get mine out!! At 04:41 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear SCDers, > >I have continued doing a lot of research on mercury amalgams and the >possible affect that it may be having on my own health problems. The >following are some results and thoughts about this that may be of >interest to you. > >1.) I have had a hair mineral analysis done showing very high levels of >mercury in my system. > >2.) I have had what is called a DPMS mercury challenge test confirming >once again that I have a very high level of Hg in my body. > >3.) I had my amalgams out over 10 years ago. The doctor who tested me >said that unless I have done a very determined "detox", that mercury >exits the body very slowly. > >4.) It is likely that my consistent eating of fish (it is supposed to be >healthy and is, except for proven high levels of mercury) has continued >to regularly expose me to Hg keeping my levels very high in spite of >having my amalgams out. > >5.) There is no question that all amalgams leech Hg beginning the day >they are put in! Many, many (hundreds)of well documented studies on >this. > >6.) There are 2 very new studies, one done at the University of >Kentucky, clearly linking mercury amalgams to Alzheimers disease and >another done showing that intestinal bacteria exposed to Hg readily >develop resistance to antibiotics. It is felt by many researchers that >the heavy use of mercury amalgams is more responsible for antibiotic >resistance than is the over usage of antibiotics themselves. > >7.) Almost everything I read talks about mercury's affinity for the GI >tract and is considered as a causative agent in many GI tract diseases. > >8.) Hg also has a high affinity for the brain, kidney and liver and is >considered to be the most toxic metal of all the heavy metals! It is a >very strong immune depressant allowing for other opportunistic >infections to have a field day. > >9.) When I did the survey here a few weeks ago, 100% of us had amlagams, >or used to have them. Only about 60-70% of the general population have >amalgams in their mouth. Statistically then, THIS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT! > >9.) I am NOT saying that amalgams are the cause of all our GI problems! >I am saying that this research is interesting and perhaps worth >considering for those of you who have not considered it before. > >10.) As I have mentioned before, Root Canals can be even more >devastating than mercury amalgams. > >11.) It is interesting to me that Elaine says in her book that she nor >anyone else knows exactly what starts the "Vicious Cycle" that we all >are treating so effectively with SCD. Is it possible that mercury is >one possible agent that starts it? Statistically, the growth of GI >diseases mirrors the growth in the usage of mercury amalgams. The same >is true with the growth of virtually all auto-immune diseases especially >MS, Lupus, Arthritis. When Hg gets into a cell the immune system >recognizes it as something foreign and then attacks it. If there is a >lot of Hg in the cells of the intestinal tract and the immune system no >longer recognizes it as "self" does it then attack it thus causing >damage to the GI tract as in "leaky gut" etc. This is just a theory, >but not one that I have developed all on my own. There is lots of >research suggesting what I say here. > >I am not trying to push anything on anyone, simply trying to inform for >your further consideration! > >Recommeded reading: > >It's All in Your Head, by Dr. Hal Huggins >Root Canal Cover Up, by Dr. George Meinig > >Do and Web Search with the word Amalgam! enjoy! > >Pat > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:39:52 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: SCD, 6MP and fisulas Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971116203730.285f3320@megamed.com> What is a fistula?? At 04:46 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Barbara, > >thanks for the info. I might suggest that you use a brand of fish oil >that is labeled as containing no mercury. Usually ones that say >cholesterol free also have all Hg removed from them. Don't want to >trade one problem for another! Just something to consider! > >Pat > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Mills [SMTP:Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca] >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 7:38 AM >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: Re: SCD, 6MP and fisulas >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >From: Wayne Young <wyoung@ANET-DFW.COM> >> > Has anyone been on 6MP for CD and fistulas and then gone on the SCD? >> >> >> <snip> >> >> Wayne, >> >> I have CD, three fistulas that had minds of their own and have been >> following the SCD since March/97. I have continued pressure from my >> GI to begin 6-MP therapy for the closure of fistulas. I refuse and >> this drives him nuts :-) In my research on this drug and it's >> successes for fistula closure I concluded that it works in approx. 50% >> of the cases...not good enough for me...the 'Drug Chicken' Hehehe. I >> continue to decline 6-MP. >> >> In my personal experience, fistula activity begins when my >> prostaglandin levels drop to nil. ( a woman thing ). I studied >> prostaglandin and low and behold it is a cortisone like hormone >> secreted from the the body to contol inflammation of the bodies >> organs. This finding led me to an 'alternative' source of cortisone. >> I tried Cat's claw.....nothing...tried Androsone.....nothing....tried >> veggie juicing.....nothing....read a study on the use of Omega 3 fatty >> acids ( Fish oil and Flax oil are good sources) as an assistant to the >> bodies *natural* abilities to fight inflamation........Bingo!, eight >> hours after trying plain ol' cheap brand fish oil I had a huge energy >> increase. I did this last June and played around with the dosages and >> as I continued the usage I also found the Omegas 3 acted well as >> Prednisone would and the fistulas began to settle down.. >> >> I use 4000mg of deep sea cold pressed Fish Oil per day when fistulas >> are not active, when they start to open up I immediately up the dose >> to 6000mg per day and they settle down in two days. ( This dosage >> suits *MY* height, weight, age and other lifestyle factors ) >> >> In conclusion ( geez, I sound like a Professor of something-or-other! >> ...I'm not...just a Mom with CD that is frightened of chemical drugs) >> I know the fish oil did not *cure* the fistula, but I like having some >> contol over the little buggers just the same. And in the long run the >> toxins of 6-MP will not be in me to interfere in other ways. >> >> FWIW! >> >> Barb >> Vancouver, B.C. Canada >> >> P.S. Garlic will help ward off infection when the fistulas become >> active. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:20:40 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey Message-ID: <01bcf318$8bc2dee0$LocalHost@default> ----Original Message----- From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 4:43 PM Subject: Follow up to Amalgam survey >SCD MAILING LIST >Dear SCDers, > >I have continued doing a lot of research on mercury amalgams and the >possible affect that it may be having on my own health problems. The >following are some results and thoughts about this that may be of >interest to you. snip >Pat Pat: Your post was indeed very intresting. I missed taking part in your survey. I had many Amalgam fillings for as many years. However they have been removed for ten years or more now. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:32:51 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: SCD, 6MP and fisulas Message-ID: <199711171011.CAA26096@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Moira wrote: > What is a fistula?? Wayne? Monica? HELP!! I find it hard to define a fistula because of the many kinds and because I can't create a mental picture of what they look like. Oh well, here goes: A commonality of Crohn's is the spontaneous creation of fistulas. It begins with a 'tract' that leads from the bowel wall, into the body cavity and maturing until it connects with either another organ (bowel, bladder, vagina) or out to the skin. There can be drainage of an infectious nature, body fluid, blood or fecal matter depending on the size and/or location of it. And as Monica stated, they are very painful. Can anyone add more to this? Barb Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:52:05 -0500 (EST) From: BAMCGREGOR@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <971117085205_1405020288@mrin47> Hello, Am just getting started on the SCD-diet. A question on polysaccharides: Are these legal on the diet? Found in green tea, maitake mushrooms and some aloe vera juices, they supposedly stimulate the immune system, and the mucopolysaccarides can be anti-inflammatory. I've read mushrooms are o.k. on this diet, but the word has me worried. Thanks. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <971117091825_528147843@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Prateeksha and everyone, I noticed your comment on gaining back your weight. I lost only a few pounds when I first started the diet (had been on celiac diet, so this was not a huge change for me) and now I'm gaining weight! I had to stop making some of the honey desserts and watch the cheese intake. Anyone else notice too much weight gain? Also, yesterday was not a good day and I never got to cook supper so we had chinese takeout! I was up at 4a.m. with diarrhea! I only had steamed shrimp with veggies. It had no sugar, cornstarch, msg. or soy sauce and it tasted very plain, But something bad had to be in there! I think I'll starve next time. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:36:24 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971117073401.2847a0a4@megamed.com> Dear William, Was it hard getting them out? I want to get mine out! Moira At 10:20 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----Original Message----- >From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 4:43 PM >Subject: Follow up to Amalgam survey >>SCD MAILING LIST >>Dear SCDers, >> >>I have continued doing a lot of research on mercury amalgams and the >>possible affect that it may be having on my own health problems. The >>following are some results and thoughts about this that may be of >>interest to you. >snip >>Pat > Pat: >Your post was indeed very intresting. I missed taking part in your survey. >I had many Amalgam fillings for as many years. However they have been >removed for ten years or more now. >William > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:01:27 -0600 From: "Franklin, James W" <jwfrankl@ingr.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Elaine's Book Message-ID: <DEE014AFA0A1D0118E890800094CCE850144550E@HQ2> FYI You can get a copy of Elaine's book from "The Vitamin Shoppe" for $12.71 plus $4.50 S/H. Their number is 1-800-223-1216 in case anyone wants to know. James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:10:23 -0600 From: "Franklin, James W" <jwfrankl@ingr.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Elaine's book Message-ID: <DEE014AFA0A1D0118E890800094CCE850144AF4D@HQ2> FYI Anyone looking for a copy of Elaine's book can get one from "The Vitamin Shoppe" for $12.71 plus $4.50 S/H. Their number is 1-800-223-1216. The item number is BK-1703. James "Our task of creating a SOCIALIST America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been TOTALLY DISARMED." (emphasize added) Sarah Brady, principal lobbyist for the "Brady Bill." National Educator, January 1994 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:59:50 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Lois Lang bread Message-ID: <19971117.085958.10478.0.rosset@juno.com> Dear Prateeska, I probably should have warned you about the Lois Lang bread coming out of the oven smelling like a pack of wet dogs! Once it cools down it loses it's "delightful aroma,"and when toasted it smells fine. You are right about not needing all 4 of the small loaf pans, just use as many as needed to fill about 3/4 full. I now have 12 small pans and make large batches of anything I bake, and freeze most of it. Also, just cook till done, not brown. With the small loaf pans about 50 min at 340F. This bread is not going to taste like the real thing, but it's not bad. It gives you something to make a tuna, meatloaf or peanutbutter sandwich with. The melted cheese is really good, and it can be topped with avocado, thinnly sliced red onion, cilantro, tomatoes (vine ripened!) and bacon, etc.Toast first, then top with cheese and melt. I usually spread a little dijon mustard on the toast before melting the cheese. As I've mentioned before this bread is best toasted. Untoasted it falls apart and doesn't have much flavor. Even if I'm making a top and bottom sandwich, I'll toast it first. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:57:12 -0500 From: Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: confused about DCCC Message-ID: <l03010d0cb0963522cdd1@[141.213.25.73]> Hi: I am confused about this product. In the stores in Ann Arbor, I have found something that says Dry Curd Cottage Cheese in the refrig seciton, but it also says contains 1/2% milkfat and looks like small curd cottage chess. Is this what is ok to use? I recently found Farmers Cheese. It's packaged as a block and has no moisture to it. Should I use this instead? -Annie Ann Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 313-647-7187 fx: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:14:44 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <l03110700b09639d489cf@[206.40.74.34]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jane, We must have gone to the same restaurant and eaten the same food 'cause I had the same experience as you over the weekend! And was doing sooooo well, too. Do we have to eat at home forever? Prateeksha >Prateeksha and everyone, >I noticed your comment on gaining back your weight. I lost only a few pounds >when I first started the diet (had been on celiac diet, so this was not a >huge change for me) and now I'm gaining weight! I had to stop making some of >the honey desserts and watch the cheese intake. Anyone else notice too much >weight gain? Also, yesterday was not a good day and I never got to cook >supper so we had chinese takeout! I was up at 4a.m. with diarrhea! I only >had steamed shrimp with veggies. It had no sugar, cornstarch, msg. or soy >sauce and it tasted very plain, But something bad had to be in there! I >think I'll starve next time. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:24:09 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Lois Lang bread Message-ID: <l03110701b0963b08d22f@[206.40.74.49]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Lucy, Thanks for the helpful hints on the bread. I don't know exactly how long I baked it, but I kept extending the time 'cause it wasn't brown so I figured it wasn't "done". Your comments help a lot. Thanks. I have noticed that when I talk about altering a recipe (don't do it often) that I sometime overlook some of the things I do! I know in my head, but to put down every little step I forget to do; and things when tried by my fellow-SCD'ers don't come out the way I experience the altered recipe!!! No wonder!!! So, I would like that each of us strive to be very thorough when we share changes in a recipe so that when others try it, it works for them, too! We each spend sooooo much time in the kitchen anyway, we don't need to spend time with our hopes up about a recipe, make it, then find it to be a big disappointment. I know Joan for one has found my zucchini bread muffins to be a disaster for her while I continue to enjoy them made the way I do it. So, this is an example of what I am talking about. For any inconvenience I have caused anyone with my "overlooks" I apologize. Just still trying to get the hang of communicating recipes over the internet!!! Love, Prateeksha >Dear Prateeska, >I probably should have warned you about the Lois Lang bread coming out of >the oven smelling like a pack of wet dogs! Once it cools down it loses >it's "delightful aroma,"and when toasted it smells fine. You are right >about not needing all 4 of the small loaf pans, just use as many as >needed to fill about 3/4 full. I now have 12 small pans and make large >batches of anything I bake, and freeze most of it. Also, just cook till >done, not brown. With the small loaf pans about 50 min at 340F. >This bread is not going to taste like the real thing, but it's not bad. >It gives you something to make a tuna, meatloaf or peanutbutter sandwich >with. The melted cheese is really good, and it can be topped with >avocado, thinnly sliced red onion, cilantro, tomatoes (vine ripened!) and >bacon, etc.Toast first, then top with cheese and melt. I usually spread a >little dijon mustard on the toast before melting the cheese. As I've >mentioned before this bread is best toasted. Untoasted it falls apart and >doesn't have much flavor. Even if I'm making a top and bottom sandwich, >I'll toast it first. >Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1987 21:53:13 +0100 From: Kristine Vaernholt <dko3700@vip.cybercity.dk> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <21A0B739.6EC8@vip.cybercity.dk> Hi Dietmar, painsolv@smartt.com wrote: > In fact, just to make sure I just looked it up again; > "Mycobacterium tuberculosis" is the bacillus that causes it, > it IS infectious, causes inflammatory inflitrations, > abscesses, etc. Most common in respir. system, > but other parts such as GASTROINTESTINAL & GENITOURINARY > TRACTS (my emphasis), bones, joints, nervous system, lymph > nodes & skin may become infected. Thanks for the info. I found it very interesting. I think I'm going to try and discuss this with my specialist on my next checkup. Kris ;-> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: mercury Message-ID: <971117170137_583565607@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Pat - we have to make sure we cover ALL ground on the mercury issue. NONE of my hair analysis have showed levels of mercury YET there are cavitations worth mentioning. People get confused and will go out and take a hair analysis test and when it comes back negative (because metals DO NOT show up normally on the first test at all, not to mention until you start mobilizing them), they will think they don't have the problem or A problem. there are three things that need to be addressed in the mercury-link: 1) mercury fillings (same as silver fillings) 2) cavitations 3) root canals. If the whole issue isnt addressed INCLUDING CHELATING IT OUT once it is removed, you cannot improve. mercury DOES NOT BELONG in the body and encourages cavitations and resistant bacteria. why mess with it? im not even questioning tests - im just having them removed. Joan ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #103 *********************** SCD-list Tue, 18 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 104 In this issue: prednisone and headaches stool volume Green tea, mushroom, aloe vera Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE swelling Re: swelling Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Milk against cancer Re: Green tea, mushroom, aloe vera Re: mercury Lois Lang Re: prednisone and headaches Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted Re: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted Eden Foods Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Re: SCD-list V1 #101 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: prednisone and headaches Message-ID: <m0xXcJp-003Kh1C@iaw.on.ca> Hi everyone, I recently started tapering off prednisone for the first time in my life (from 20mg down to 15mg for now) and I seem to be getting pretty bad headaches almost every day. I was just wondering if this is normal and if anyone knows when they might go away. Any responses can be sent directly to me if preferred since this isn't really a diet related question. Thanks, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:18:54 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: stool volume Message-ID: <m0xXcJa-003KeRC@iaw.on.ca> William, I also noticed an increase in stool volume when I started the SCD. It seems to have decreased back to normal volumes now although since I never paid as much attention to my stool during the rest of my life as I have since being diagnosed with SCD over 3 years ago, it's hard to say for sure if this is the case. I like to tell myself, since stool is about 50% bacteria, that the increase is due to all the bacteria that are being killed off by the SCD, but I don't know for sure if that is true. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:58:21 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Green tea, mushroom, aloe vera Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971117175821.006cb960@smartt.com> At 08:52 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello, >Am just getting started on the SCD-diet. >A question on polysaccharides: Are these legal on the diet? Found in green >tea, maitake mushrooms and some aloe vera juices, they supposedly stimulate >the immune system, and the mucopolysaccarides can be anti-inflammatory. I've >read mushrooms are o.k. on this diet, but the word has me worried. >Thanks. >Brent > > Studies have found that mucopolysaccharides (complex sugars found in mucosal cells as well as plant cells, I believe) are probably healing to IBD. Hoever, Elaine feels that aloe vera is "no" because it contains a substance that is NOT good for you, and in my personal experience with it, I agree. So yes to the first 2, no to aloe. Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:20:24 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: is it crohns or abdominal tuberculosis ? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971117182024.006cad80@smartt.com> At 09:53 PM 11/17/87 +0100, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Dietmar, > >painsolv@smartt.com wrote: > > In fact, just to make sure I just looked it up again; > > "Mycobacterium tuberculosis" is the bacillus that causes it, > > it IS infectious, causes inflammatory inflitrations, > > abscesses, etc. Most common in respir. system, > > but other parts such as GASTROINTESTINAL & GENITOURINARY > > TRACTS (my emphasis), bones, joints, nervous system, lymph > > nodes & skin may become infected. > >Thanks for the info. I found it very interesting. I think I'm going to >try and discuss this with my specialist on my next checkup. > >Kris ;-> > > > > Let me know what s/he says ... I'm curious myself. I found it quite intriguing when I actually looked it up & read this. Damn, I just remembered something a list-member pointed out that I'd forgotten: the bug they're talking about is not M. tuberculosis, but M. PARA-tuberculosis! Which I'd forgotten, and which (I just checked) is NOT listed in my med. dictionary. So I don't know how much good the above info really is? Well, ask your doctor, s/he'll probably have to look it up too, so make sure she looks under the correct name ... PARA-tuberculosis. Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: BMO111@aol.com To: SCD-LIST@longisland.com Subject: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <971118003328_1436227354@mrin58.mail.aol.com> I also recently picked up the dry curd cheese that has been mentioned at a store called FAIRWAYS. The samebrand COUNTRY FARMS DAIRY...914 6329656 phone number NO FAT DRY FARMERS CHEESE This was amazing product!!! It was smooth and great for cheesecake as well as lasagna. I even used it in a salad topped with the cheese instead of people using feta. I just crumpled it on top of the salad. Suggestion is you give the information to a store you shop at and have them phone the company and get the store to insist in having it. For those who shop at WHOLE FOODS outlet I did get a name on www site for them and the person youmay want to speak to is in Texas as this is there main office. LYNEA SCHULTZ-ELA AT 512 385 3853 or FAX 512 385 2399 SOUTH WEST 512 447-5566 FAX 512 4771009 MID WEST 773 4041128 773 404 1617 NORTH CALI 415 6740500 415 674 0505 SOUTH CALI 818 501 8484 818 990 7089 NORTH EAST 617 332 2400 617 332 2360 HOPE U GET IT AVAILABLE TO YOU ITS A FANTASTIC PRODUCT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:03:44 +0000 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: swelling Message-ID: <19971118.000344.6326.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> I have had a problem with a swollen foot ever since I had surgery to remove some of the my intestines and colon that was affected with Chron's. I do not know why it is swollen. I have mentioned it to my doctor and he really brushed it off. My foot hurts, especially on the days I am on my feet a lot. Today it hurt almost all day (a burning sensation). I plan on going to see another doctor about this, but I was wandering if anyone else had this problem. Does anyone know why my foot might be swollen or how I can eliminate this problem. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:55:20 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: swelling Message-ID: <199711180834.AAA19776@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Karen, I have the exact same issue. My GP dismissed it as no big deal. My Specialist doesn't know. It is my right foot and my bowel trouble are on the right side. I wish that I had an answer for you, but I can't get anyone to acknowlege this as a problem. Well, the shoe store clerks do! ;-) Keep me posted, please Barb Vancouver, B.C., Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:04:01 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <01bcf3f8$88037c20$972193d0@akpinar> Thank you for providing information on sources of DCCC... This is just what I was looking for. Now I will be able to find and use it. AA -----Original Message----- From: BMO111@aol.com <BMO111@aol.com> To: SCD-LIST@longisland.com <SCD-LIST@longisland.com> Date: Monday, November 17, 1997 11:41 PM Subject: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I also recently picked up the dry curd cheese that has been mentioned at a >store called FAIRWAYS. > >The samebrand COUNTRY FARMS DAIRY...914 6329656 phone number > NO FAT DRY FARMERS CHEESE > > >This was amazing product!!! It was smooth and great for cheesecake as well as >lasagna. I even used it in a salad topped with the cheese instead of people >using feta. I just crumpled it on top of the salad. > >Suggestion is you give the information to a store you shop at and have them >phone the company and get the store to insist in having it. > >For those who shop at WHOLE FOODS outlet I did get a name on www site for >them and the person youmay want to speak to is in Texas as this is there main >office. > LYNEA SCHULTZ-ELA AT 512 385 3853 or FAX 512 385 2399 > > SOUTH WEST 512 447-5566 FAX 512 4771009 > MID WEST 773 4041128 773 404 1617 > NORTH CALI 415 6740500 415 674 0505 > SOUTH CALI 818 501 8484 818 990 7089 > NORTH EAST 617 332 2400 617 332 2360 > >HOPE U GET IT AVAILABLE TO YOU ITS A FANTASTIC PRODUCT > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:16:29 +0100 From: mik@inform-bbs.dk (mik aidt) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Subject: Milk against cancer Message-ID: <2621046749.28264@inform-bbs.dk> I found this short note in a Danish magazine. Nice thought if it turns out to be true, considering the amount of milk (yoghurt) we SCDers consume.... Yours, Mik "Don't hold back with the milk ===================== Scientists in San Diego have found out that milk seems to prevent cancer in the intestines. Their research shows that among those men who drank two glasses of milk every day, and who had done this for a longer period of years, less than a third were having tendencies to develop cancer in colon, in comparison to those men who had never drunk any milk." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: BAMCGREGOR@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Green tea, mushroom, aloe vera Message-ID: <971118081952_-1139124911@mrin39> Thanks for the information on the polysaccharides. There go two bottles of aloe vera juice, but at least I can keep the mushroom soup. Brent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:43:16 -0500 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: mercury Message-ID: <19971118144726.AAA21861@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: mercury > Date: Monday, November 17, 1997 5:01 PM > Dear All, On the mercury testing , here is what I have learned from a very knowledgeable friend . The hair testing for it is not very accurate. A better test is called the Clifford Materials Reactivity Test. This tests for materials used in dentistry and how you react to it immunologically. The following is the information she shared with me. The Clifford Materials Reactivity Testing program is based on serologic precipitin procedures in microtiter environment for the detection of systemic immunoglobulins.( IgG and IgM, with possible involvement of IgA) against various offending chemical groups and families of compounds. These chemical moieties are known to occur as corrosion byproducts, off- loading or outgassing components and remnants of various restorative and prosthetic materials as they break down in -vivo. The test kit can be ordered by calling 719 - 550 - 0008. All you need at that point is a doctor or dentist address to have it sent to. When the kit arrives you can have blood taken either by your doctor or at the local lab. Special instructions about blood spinning have to be followed by the lab. The blood work is sent overnight to the Clifford Consulting & Research, Inc. 3 days later you get the results. The following is a list of things my friend showed a reaction to, aluminum, arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, cerium, chromium, formaldehyde, lanthanum, lead, manganese, mercury, nickel, palladium, phenol, polyethimines, polyvinyls, rubidium, silver, tannis and toluene. And then it showed a long list of materials that she did not react to. I have this on my list of things to do. If I recall correctly the cost is around $125. On having them out you really need to be sure to have them removed by a knowledgeable dentist or you can get in more trouble. You do not want to replace them with yet another substance you would react to. There are special procedures for removing the amalagam that prevent it from flooding your system even more. Hope this helps. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:34:30 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Lois Lang Message-ID: <3471EDC6.5789@plinet.com> 11-17-97 to:SCD-list@longisland.com from:genemash@plinet.com Subject: lois Lang Bread Here's a variation you might like and it's anything but light! Instead of using a cup of Dry Curd Cottage Cheese I use two bannanas. Then I put in a 1/4 cup of honey and 2 tablespoons of rasins. That will make this taste like the banna bread that my mother use to make. Those who try this I hope you like it. Later Gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:32:14 +0400 (GMT) From: macneil <macneilc@cbnet.ns.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: prednisone and headaches Message-ID: <199711180832.MAA25591@highlander.cbnet.ns.ca> At 20:19 17/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Tina, Re your headaches with prednisone tapering-last year melissa had the worst ones of her 16 yr.old lfe when coming off pred.. She was on a very, very slow tapering. Once the dosage was very low- 2.5-2 mg.alternating days, they disappeared. We could track each headache with a dosage reduction. On another note, since you are in Canada as well, do you have a Bulk Barn near? We were in Halifax recently and I cleaned them out of the ground almonds-there was a special on -5.40/lb which was a low, low price for me to pay. It's much more preferred by Melissa than the pecan meal. Hope this is of help---Cathy > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:28:49 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971118102630.2a8f90ee@megamed.com> I found some dry curd cheese at Whole Foods. It comes in a huge 3 pound pack. I brought it home and re wrapped it in 3 pieces and put it in the freezer. Does anyone have any recipes other than the cheesecake? I am going to try the cheesecake with greatly reduced honey. Also, my son used to test allergic to dairy. Would if be ok to give him this, even though we have not been on the SCD diet for very long? Also, how long would it keep in the freezer? Refrigerator? Moira ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:40:58 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <199711181740.LAA04840@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, I've kept my DCCC in the freezer for a couple of months without a problem. The Friendship DCCC comes with an expiration date, so I wouldn't leave it in the refrigerator longer than the date. I tested allergic to dairy. I can tolerate DCCC only in nut bread where I get it in small amounts. Anything bigger than that gives me problems. I also cannot yet tolerate the yoghurt. Cheese is ok on occassion in moderation. You could try a small amount and see how he reacts. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Nov 18 11:29 CST 1997 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:28:49 -0800 > X-Sender: moira@megamed.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> > Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I found some dry curd cheese at Whole Foods. > > It comes in a huge 3 pound pack. I brought it home and re wrapped it in 3 > pieces and put it in the freezer. > > Does anyone have any recipes other than the cheesecake? I am going to try > the cheesecake with greatly reduced honey. > > Also, my son used to test allergic to dairy. > > Would if be ok to give him this, even though we have not been on the SCD > diet for very long? > > Also, how long would it keep in the freezer? Refrigerator? > > Moira > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:10:19 -0500 From: jsafam@juno.com (S Albert) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted Message-ID: <19971118.141210.7198.8.jsafam@juno.com> I am having trouble finding over the counter meds for cold and flu. I did find a sugar free cough syrup - Free Tussin - with sorbitol. But all of the Sudafed type/decongestant medications, and even Tylenol, have added starch. And homeopathic remedies are, to my knowledge, all made with lactose. I'd really appreciate any suggestions anyone has. Thanks a bunch. Stacia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:30:56 -0600 (CST) From: Roy deCarvalho <roy@unt.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971118132936.16049D-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu> On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, S Albert wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am having trouble finding over the counter meds for cold and flu. I > did find a sugar free cough syrup - Free Tussin - with sorbitol. But all Sorbitol just like aspartame is a POISON. Probably worst than sugar. Roy ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1997 14:03:14 EDT From: "Penny Freshwater" <PFRESHWA@HR.HOUSE.GOV> To: SCD-list@LONGISLAND.COM Subject: Eden Foods Message-ID: <FL06.PFRESHWA.840952120097322FFL06@HOUSE.GOV> the book lists 305-969-3611 as the number in Miami for Eden Foods, however I have tried calling and that is not a working number. Does anyone know a new listing for them? Thanks, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:40:47 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971118143826.2c67a176@megamed.com> Dear Elizabeth, How long have you been on the SCD diet? I thought that eventually most allergies will go away, isn't that correct? I tried eggs and he is still sensitive to them, but then, have not been on the diet long. Have made beef pemmican with great success, next am going to try turkey pemmican. Moira dn't leave it in the refrigerator longer than the date. > >I tested allergic to dairy. I can tolerate DCCC only in nut bread >where I get it in small amounts. Anything bigger than that gives >me problems. I also cannot yet tolerate the yoghurt. Cheese is >ok on occassion in moderation. You could try a small amount and >see how he reacts. > > >> From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Nov 18 11:29 CST 1997 >> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:28:49 -0800 >> X-Sender: moira@megamed.com >> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> >> Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE >> Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> I found some dry curd cheese at Whole Foods. >> >> It comes in a huge 3 pound pack. I brought it home and re wrapped it in 3 >> pieces and put it in the freezer. >> >> Does anyone have any recipes other than the cheesecake? I am going to try >> the cheesecake with greatly reduced honey. >> >> Also, my son used to test allergic to dairy. >> >> Would if be ok to give him this, even though we have not been on the SCD >> diet for very long? >> >> Also, how long would it keep in the freezer? Refrigerator? >> >> Moira >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:05:33 -0800 From: Carol Sveilich <csveilich@ucsd.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <v0311070bb097cfaa4480@[132.239.207.40]> Does anyone know where one can find DCCC in San Diego, CA? --Carol Carol Sveilich, Undergraduate Program Representative University of California, San Diego/Department of Sociology 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093-0533 Office: (619) 534-4628 Fax: (619) 534-4753 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #101 Message-ID: <971118190604_-658663250@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Prateeksha, Boy, you can't cheat on this diet! I don't even want to but incorporating scd into the realities of everyday life situations takes planning and just some getting use to it. When I go out I get plain fish and salad with oil & vinegar. It seems I can't trust anything else even if it sounds legal. Tomorrow we are taking our son to visit a college and the tour includes food, but I'm packing my lunch! Occassions like this use to mean a break for me from kitchen duty. Good thing I notice a difference because that makes it worth all the effort. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #104 *********************** SCD-list Wed, 19 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 105 In this issue: BOOK SOURCE weight gain and SCD forbidden foods cookies light bread Re: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted thank you RE: mercury RE: Follow up to Amalgam survey RE: Tactile sensitivity Re: swelling Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Re: Lois Lang Agave Pro Symbioflor information pred/head RE: Tactile sensitivity Re: weight gain and SCD help w/list Re: weight gain and SCD Re: weight gain and SCD don't throw away that aloe vera, necessarily Re: don't throw away that aloe vera, necessarily Re: SCD-list V1 #104 Re: swelling Re: swelling in feet -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:40:53 -0500 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: BOOK SOURCE Message-ID: <347243A5.75FB@mail.fwi.com> I just saw a message recommending a cheap source for the book Breaking the Vicious Cycle. The book is available from many sources including just ordering it through your neighborhood book store. Ordering through a book store will generally result in a cost of $16.95 + tax. At a discount store it will be somewhat less. To contribute to helping people find out about the book and offer a mail order service, I started the web site www.fwi.com/cmg/ This web site is solely supported by revenues from selling the book and support from yours truly. I charge $16.95 + 3.50 shipping and handling. This price was set at the same price that Elaine Gottschall was charging (at the time) and I did not want to under cut her price. The web site has been in existance for 1 1/2 years now and I have more money in it than it has returned (not counting not paying anyone any wages). It would be appreciated that if you know someone who is interested in the book and would like to find out more about it, the web site might be suggested. If there is a financial problem, let me know and we will work it out. I do want to add, that the biography of Dr. Haas has been added to the web site. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: weight gain and SCD Message-ID: <971118220945_-1038975630@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, I have been reading that a number of you have gained weight on this diet. I, on the other hand, have lost almost 13 pounds ( from 120-something to 108-110 pounds) in a matter of 5-6 weeks. No celulite what-so-ever. I don't starve myself, and eat lots of fattening stuff until I am full (none of which I used to touch before in fear of gaining weight). Seems like eliminating starches and sugar caused me to lose weight. I'm not complaning. No one outside this diet believes I actually eat eggs, meat, butter, bacon, and nuts among others, and yet be so skinny. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: BAMCGREGOR@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: forbidden foods Message-ID: <971118221420_1771793374@mrin51.mail.aol.com> Another couple of questions as I begin this diet. Elaine says to avoid the "gourmet" vinegars. Does anyone know if balsamic vinegar is legal? The buyer at the store said there was no added sugar but he wasn't sure if there was a yeast problem. Also, I found a fruit spread with no refined sugars, no pectin, etc., only sweetened with juice concentrates. Would this be allowed? Thanks to anyone who answers. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: cookies Message-ID: <971118221427_1971709970@mrin86.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, I noticed some exchange of recipe information on breads and muffins. I just started eating nuts and nut flour without problems, so I made some cookies (with lots of raisins and walnuts instead of pecans). I can't believe, they taste almost identical to oatmeal cookies. They're the best cookies I have EVER eaten ( other than chocolate-chip. Yum.). Life on SCD is not so bad afterall. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: light bread Message-ID: <971118222333_476355502@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Hi Prateeksha - were the small loaf pans you used metal? i WILL NOT use aluminum or metal. i use glass. also, what i do with ANY bread i do not like is french toast it and put nut butters on it. i just keep the bread in refrigerator and its a great snack Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:33 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted Message-ID: <199711190334.2084500@bedford.net> I know its really tough for a lot of people, but OTC medications are still bad for you. I have not taken anything for colds (including fever reducers) for over 4 years. Last time I was seriously sick I had a 103 degree temperature and just rode it out. I was on my feet by the next day. Colds are the bodies way of eliminating wastes and poisons from your body -- at least that's what the alternative people say. I strongly feel that from my experience, OTC medication is a scam, and I swear it makes the symptoms last longer. Also, the last time I thought I needed something like an antibiotic, my doctor wouldn't give it to me. He said that there where studies that showed that there was no significant difference in recovery times between antibiotics, echanatia (you know what I'm trying to spell), and nothing. I agree though, the homeopathics are kind of a bummer. Maybe instead of getting OTC (which are mixes that may or may not be right for you) a homeopathic doctor that mixes their own might be better. The stuff I got was in little hard pellets and they dropped so many drops in the bottle to make the strength, but it was different from those instant dissolving lactose type. Maybe they didn't have lactose -- I'm not sure, and I can't find out now. I'm sorry I didn't directly answer your question. But using nothing, IS a good substitute for OTCs. There are probably a few different remedies in the health stores, but once again ingredients are going to be a problem. I believe extract of euchlypis under the nose will clear out the sinuses in a hurry -- that might be helpful for sinus problems anyway. I hope this isn't taken as a personal attack, this is a lifestyle issue we all must decide on, and everyone should make an informed decision. Hopefully someone will post reasons on why you should take OTCs. bill ---------- > From: S Albert <jsafam@juno.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Sugar & starch free Cold and Flu medicine suggestions wanted > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 2:10 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am having trouble finding over the counter meds for cold and flu. I > did find a sugar free cough syrup - Free Tussin - with sorbitol. But all > of the Sudafed type/decongestant medications, and even Tylenol, have > added starch. And homeopathic remedies are, to my knowledge, all made > with lactose. I'd really appreciate any suggestions anyone has. > > Thanks a bunch. > > Stacia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: thank you Message-ID: <m0xY1sC-003KfyC@iaw.on.ca> Thanks to everyone who responded about the headaches I've been getting since I started coming off prednisone. Even though I may not be able to get rid of the headaches right away it's comforting to know what the cause of them is. Today I actually feel a little bit better. Cathy, I didn't realize that the Bulk Barn was a cross Canada chain or I would have let everyone know about the sale. I actually went last week and stocked up, and then this week I just happened to walk into one in the Toronto area and they had the ground almonds on for $4.50/lb. I couldn't believe it, so I stocked up as much as I could. I usually buy the whole almonds for $4.99/lb and grind them myself, but the cheapest I've been able to find the blanched, ground almonds is $7.99/lb, so this sale was great. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:59:02 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: mercury Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846147612@LOGIXMAIL> Agreed! But sometimes you ahve to wake them up first. That is what I was trying to do with the SCD post, if this is what you are responding to. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 3:02 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: mercury > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat - > > we have to make sure we cover ALL ground on the mercury issue. NONE of > my > hair analysis have showed levels of mercury YET there are cavitations > worth > mentioning. People get confused and will go out and take a hair > analysis test > and when it comes back negative (because metals DO NOT show up > normally on > the first test at all, not to mention until you start mobilizing > them), they > will think they don't have the problem or A problem. there are three > things > that need to be addressed in the mercury-link: 1) mercury fillings > (same as > silver fillings) 2) cavitations 3) root canals. If the whole issue > isnt > addressed INCLUDING CHELATING IT OUT once it is removed, you cannot > improve. > > mercury DOES NOT BELONG in the body and encourages cavitations and > resistant > bacteria. why mess with it? im not even questioning tests - im just > having > them removed. > > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:59:05 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Follow up to Amalgam survey Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846147613@LOGIXMAIL> Not really. I recommennd however that anyone wanting to do this they follow the protocol recommended in Hal Huggins book. It's All in your Head. There is a right way to do it, and definitely a wrong way. when I had mine out 10 years ago I did not even know the correct way to do it and it definitely has affected the slowness of getting Hg out of my body! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 8:40 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Follow up to Amalgam survey > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Great job, Pat! > > Very interesting. > > Was it hard getting them out, I'd like to get mine out!! > > At 04:41 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dear SCDers, > > > >I have continued doing a lot of research on mercury amalgams and the > >possible affect that it may be having on my own health problems. The > >following are some results and thoughts about this that may be of > >interest to you. > > > >1.) I have had a hair mineral analysis done showing very high levels > of > >mercury in my system. > > > >2.) I have had what is called a DPMS mercury challenge test > confirming > >once again that I have a very high level of Hg in my body. > > > >3.) I had my amalgams out over 10 years ago. The doctor who tested > me > >said that unless I have done a very determined "detox", that mercury > >exits the body very slowly. > > > >4.) It is likely that my consistent eating of fish (it is supposed to > be > >healthy and is, except for proven high levels of mercury) has > continued > >to regularly expose me to Hg keeping my levels very high in spite of > >having my amalgams out. > > > >5.) There is no question that all amalgams leech Hg beginning the > day > >they are put in! Many, many (hundreds)of well documented studies on > >this. > > > >6.) There are 2 very new studies, one done at the University of > >Kentucky, clearly linking mercury amalgams to Alzheimers disease and > >another done showing that intestinal bacteria exposed to Hg readily > >develop resistance to antibiotics. It is felt by many researchers > that > >the heavy use of mercury amalgams is more responsible for antibiotic > >resistance than is the over usage of antibiotics themselves. > > > >7.) Almost everything I read talks about mercury's affinity for the > GI > >tract and is considered as a causative agent in many GI tract > diseases. > > > >8.) Hg also has a high affinity for the brain, kidney and liver and > is > >considered to be the most toxic metal of all the heavy metals! It is > a > >very strong immune depressant allowing for other opportunistic > >infections to have a field day. > > > >9.) When I did the survey here a few weeks ago, 100% of us had > amlagams, > >or used to have them. Only about 60-70% of the general population > have > >amalgams in their mouth. Statistically then, THIS IS VERY > SIGNIFICANT! > > > >9.) I am NOT saying that amalgams are the cause of all our GI > problems! > >I am saying that this research is interesting and perhaps worth > >considering for those of you who have not considered it before. > > > >10.) As I have mentioned before, Root Canals can be even more > >devastating than mercury amalgams. > > > >11.) It is interesting to me that Elaine says in her book that she > nor > >anyone else knows exactly what starts the "Vicious Cycle" that we all > >are treating so effectively with SCD. Is it possible that mercury is > >one possible agent that starts it? Statistically, the growth of GI > >diseases mirrors the growth in the usage of mercury amalgams. The > same > >is true with the growth of virtually all auto-immune diseases > especially > >MS, Lupus, Arthritis. When Hg gets into a cell the immune system > >recognizes it as something foreign and then attacks it. If there is > a > >lot of Hg in the cells of the intestinal tract and the immune system > no > >longer recognizes it as "self" does it then attack it thus causing > >damage to the GI tract as in "leaky gut" etc. This is just a > theory, > >but not one that I have developed all on my own. There is lots of > >research suggesting what I say here. > > > >I am not trying to push anything on anyone, simply trying to inform > for > >your further consideration! > > > >Recommeded reading: > > > >It's All in Your Head, by Dr. Hal Huggins > >Root Canal Cover Up, by Dr. George Meinig > > > >Do and Web Search with the word Amalgam! enjoy! > > > >Pat > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:59:09 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846147614@LOGIXMAIL> Mary, I am confused by your response. You ask "Anyway, do you have ideas for my questions?" Please note my numerous notations within your last posting. Again, as noted I am not aware of where Elaine says no SBOS. Also, where do you suppose that your son got exposed to Mercury if no amalgams? Does he eat a lot of fish?? esp Tuna?? Hope this clears up any confusion. Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 8:40 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > No, but I have a ton of mercury amalgams in my mouth! and his hair > analysis > shows high mercury/low calcium for example. Anyway, do you have ideas > for my > questions? And also, couldn't it have been the SBOs that got rid of > the > candida??? > > I thought no SBOS on this diet? > > At 03:41 PM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >See below: > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 6:57 AM > >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com > >> Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> SCD MAILING LIST > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Dear Pat, > >> > >> Thanks SO MUCH for the info about calcium lactate, I read in > Elaine's > >> book > >> that children/babies may need extra calcium, so I gave him this, > never > >> even > >> thinking about lactose! Thanks so much. [Pat Sullivan] Your > welcome! > >> > >> I think now that you mention it she recommends calcium AEP in the > >> book, will > >> look for it. [Pat Sullivan] Actually, I don't see where she > mentions > >> AEP specifically. This is something I read elswhere and don't > >> remember where. > >> > >> I need some advice on vitamins/minerals. Should I get the vitamins > >> from > >> Freeda, or is there a brand available at the health food store? > Also, > >> do > >> most of you find you need a B12 shot, as in the book she mentioned > >> that some > >> people do need a boost of their B12. Does anyone have any brands of > >> calcium > >> (AEP) that they recommend. [Pat Sullivan] Personally, I am > currently > >> using vitamins and minerals called Matrix which I get from Peak > Energy > >> 1-800-331-2303. Like Elaine recommends, these are low dosage but > are > >> supposed to be extremely well absorbed and are all in the "active" > >> forms, expecially the minerals. This company focuses on dealing > with > >> Mercury Toxic individuals and thus they recommend very low dosages > of > >> B12 since it is supposed to "methylate" mercury which in their > minds > >> is bad since methyl mercury is 50 - 100 times more toxic than > straight > >> mercury. I am not aware that I need more b12 as I have not been > >> tested. > >> > >> How do you know if you need a B12 shot? [Pat Sullivan] There are > >> tests that a doctor can do to determine levels of b12 and whether > or > >> not you need injections. They also look for anemia as low b12 is > one > >> of the causes of anemia > >> > >> As far as soil based and olive leaf extract, it was my > understanding > >> that > >> Elaine was NOT for them. It was my feeling she was very strongly > >> against them. [Pat Sullivan] If so, it is not in her book and I > don't > >> remember reading it here. I've only been on this list for about 45 > >> days so it could be previous to that.She obviously highly > recommends > >> Yoghurt which carries lots of these types of bacterias into the > >> intestinal tract. In my case, I still cannot yet tolerate Yoghurt > or > >> cheese and thus am missing out on this important element unless I > take > >> them in capsule or powder form, which I do. > >> > >> Some of the parents of autistic kids are having great results with > >> soil > >> based organisms, they replace the yeast and bad bacteria in the > >> intestine, > >> so I am very torn on this issue. My best friend up in Washington is > >> having > >> great results, as are others. She gave her son SBOs and then tested > >> his > >> urine and his yeast and bad bacteria were nearly gone. [Pat > Sullivan] > >> I would go with this if I were you! > >> > >> I am wondering if our kids have had SO MANY antibiotics that they > may > >> need a > >> boost from the soil based to get rid of the dysbiosis, and then > >> MAINTAIN the > >> new flora with Elaine's diet. What does the List think? [Pat > >> Sullivan] I think you are correct and unless Elaine has a contrary > >> opinion I would go with what is working for others in the treatment > of > >> your son. > >> > >> Do you think it is ok to give him some garlic, I tried some raw > garlic > >> myself and wow, talk about die off, I only took about half a clove > and > >> had > >> MAJOR die off the next day! [Pat Sullivan] Small amounts and then > >> gradually build up! Garlic is extremley effective as you > discovered. > >> I would certainly recommend it for you but start slow and then > >> gradually add more! > >> > >> I read in a book on garlic that aged garlic is better for candida, > do > >> you > >> know what kind to get? [Pat Sullivan] Kyolic Aged Garlic is > usually > >> the one recommended. Most non-liquid garlic, including Kyolic > powders > >> have non SCD allowed stuff added to it! I use a lot of Kyolic Liq. > >> Garlic and notice a difference when I forget to take it or when I > >> travel and forget it at home. The Liquid can be hidden in > foodstuffs > >> to, or put in capsules for your son. Raw garlic in caps is also > very > >> effective and cheap! > >> > >> His stomach is distended and hard like a balloon, even though he is > >> very > >> thin. My other kids have soft stomachs/abdomens. Would this be an > >> indication > >> of yeast or bad bacteria or both?? [Pat Sullivan] Yes, from > >> everything I have read. This is common symptom of major dysbiosis > >> including candida, bacteria and parasites all of which both garlic > and > >> olive leaf extract deals with. I use both! > >> > >> I KNOW my son is not autistic, he has incredibly bad dysbiosis due > to > >> yeast, > >> bacteria, or, some research is showing, the MMR vaccine invading > the > >> lymph > >> nodes of the colon and damaging it. In any case, I need to get to > the > >> bottom > >> of this dysbiosis. Soil based organisms are also curing Crohns > >> disease, so > >> my friend in Washington State said. [Pat Sullivan] Go with it! > >> > >> In case you guys did not know this, the so called "autism" > diagnosis > >> is > >> absolutely booming, some say as a result of very early and very > >> intensive > >> vaccinations., which disrupt the normal immune system,which then > >> predispose > >> the baby to infections, which lead to antibiotics, which lead to > >> dysbiosis, > >> which leads to toxins in the blood affecting the brain, etc. [Pat > >> Sullivan] Great desciption. Our kids are being hurt at a very > early > >> age. Consider the tremendous increase in ADD which also usually > >> responds very well to Diet and dysbiosis treatment! > >> > >> If anyone has any advice, I am kind of desperate, my son is > stimming > >> (obsessing) on fans again. > >> > >> Could my giving him calcium lactate have screwed up the diet enough > to > >> make > >> him worse?? [Pat Sullivan] Absolutely! Lactose is very bad! > DON'T > >> beat yourself up over it though. You did not know and now can > quickly > >> get back on track. Mistakes are part of the process of learning! > >> > > [Pat Sullivan] > > > > Moria, just out of curiosity, does your son have any mercury > >amalgams?? > > > >> What happened to the article on dysbiosis, is it coming? > >> > >> Again thanks, > >> > >> Moira, > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:25:02 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: swelling Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971118212502.006e84cc@smartt.com> At 12:03 AM 11/18/97 +0000, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I have had a problem with a swollen foot ever since I had surgery to >remove some of the my intestines and colon that was affected with >Chron's. There can be 3 reasons that I can think of: 1) they hit a nerve during the surgery 2) they cut off some lymphatic pathways 3) (most likely) you're getting some trigger point referrals from muscular trigger points that set themselves up while you were under (they tend to manhandle "dead" patients plus put you into weird positions cause they figure you can't feel it anyway! idiots!). Try to find a really competent, experienced (perhaps by word of mouth) medically-trained massage therapist who knows about trigger points as well as "muscle energy" therapy; it'll be hard to find someone who knows both, but that's what I see as your best option. >I do not know why it is swollen. The swelling can be either from lymph blockage, or from muscle spasm (usually a muscle in the bum called the Piriformis). If you have trouble sitting, or turning your leg in/out, then I'd get the muscle checked out ... BUT NOT by a doctor, they don't know f***-all about muscles & muscle-pain referrals, never mind knowing how to treat them. Osteopaths might also be able to help, though I'm not sure how they work in your area. >I have mentioned it to my >doctor and he really brushed it off. That's their standard response when they don't have solutions. Wait for his next response: "It's all in your head, my dear". >My foot hurts, especially on the >days I am on my feet a lot. Today it hurt almost all day (a burning >sensation). Yep, sounds more & more like some back/bum muscle with referral and possible nerve compression from the spasm. You need to find someone who knows muscles, and gives GENTLE treatment. Let me reapeat that: GENTLE treatment, not what you've been led to expect via Hollywood films. That's why you need a "muscle energy" trained therapist. >I plan on going to see another doctor about this, but I >was wandering if anyone else had this problem. Does anyone know why my >foot might be swollen or how I can eliminate this problem. > > I hope that explaind it. All the best. If you can't dig up a competent therapist, get a hold of "90 Seconds to Muscle Pain Relief" by Dale Anderson MD or "Osteopathic Self-Treatment" by Leon Chaitow DO ... you'll need to practice a bit what they teach you, but if you stick with it you might be able to figure it out & solve it yourself. Dietmar ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:20:41 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE Message-ID: <01bcf4bb$a4bad2a0$663593d0@akpinar> I suggest you contact some of the sources mentioned by Elaine Gottschall in her famous book "Breaking the Viscious Cycle" . There are several dairies mentioned which serve all of California.. They would be able to give you the local outlet names in San Diego. I am in the San Francisco Bay Area and still have to locate a convenient source of DCCC. Good Luck with your quest. A A -----Original Message----- From: Carol Sveilich <csveilich@ucsd.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 2:04 PM Subject: Re: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Does anyone know where one can find DCCC in San Diego, CA? --Carol > >Carol Sveilich, Undergraduate Program Representative >University of California, San Diego/Department of Sociology >9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093-0533 >Office: (619) 534-4628 Fax: (619) 534-4753 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:28:07 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Lois Lang Message-ID: <01bcf4bc$ae9105a0$663593d0@akpinar> I use only yogurt instead of DCCC in making the famous Lois Lang nut bread and I also reduce the honey to taste.... It works out great for me. But I will try putting in two bananas nex time.. Banana nut bread taste sounds good to me. Alp Akpinar -----Original Message----- From: lGene M. Justman <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:31 AM Subject: Lois Lang >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >11-17-97 >to:SCD-list@longisland.com >from:genemash@plinet.com >Subject: lois Lang Bread > >Here's a variation you might like and it's anything but light! >Instead of using a cup of Dry Curd Cottage Cheese I use two >bannanas. Then I put in a 1/4 cup of honey and 2 tablespoons of >rasins. That will make this taste like the banna bread that >my mother use to make. Those who try this I hope you like it. > >Later Gene > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:11:48 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Agave Message-ID: <199711190802.AAA01856@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> I was just reading a couple of posts having to do with aloe vera and poly-saccharides, and now I'm wondering about a drink I've been getting Matthew as a treat lately. I thought it was o.k, but now I'm not so sure. Maybe someone can straighten me out. Odwalla makes a limeade type of drink which is sweetened with agave. This is the cactus which is used to make tequila and pulque. It is very sweet. As a matter of fact, the juice that, when fermented, is the alchoholic drink pulque is called agua de miel, or honey water. I've been assuming that the sweetness is from fructose, but now I worried that it might be a more complex sugar. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Steve Oh, by the way, if anyone didn't get a chance to read the newsweek article and would like to do so, let me know and I'll forward a copy by email. I downloaded the text from NW's site on AOL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:14:36 PST From: "Kurt Jensen" <kurt_j@hotmail.com> To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Cc: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Pro Symbioflor information Message-ID: <19971119091437.28032.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, Some asked about what sort of bacteria Pro Symbioflor and SymbioLact consist of, so I will list it here: SymbioLact Comp: Lactobacillus acidophilus 5x10^8 bacteria Lactobacillus casei 5x10^8 bacteria Bifidobacterium bifidum 5x10^8 bacteria Streptococcus lactis 5x10^8 bacteria Daily dose 2x above. Notice: No lactose. Pro Symbioflor: Eschericha coli Enterococcus faecalis Total per ml: 1,5-4,5x10^7 Daily dose: 4x above Company Name: SymbioPharm GmbH D-35745 Herborn Fax 02772/51268 I am not sure why these bacteria works so good, but they certainly do more for me than more than 1/2 year of 100% serios SCD did. - Kurt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:30:54 -0500 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD list 8/97 <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: pred/head Message-ID: <3472EA0E.9CF70B63@emory.edu> started tapering off prednisone for the first time in my life (from 20mg down to 15mg for now) and I seem to be getting pretty bad headaches almost every day. I was just wondering... Very normal! Please don't let it stop you. Just rest alot, don't push yourself. They will eventually subside, along with all the nasty side effects from the prednisone, and soon you will be back to your normal self before you took the prednisone. I feel that the prednisone changed me into a different person. After going through "withdrawal" by tapering off, I have found my old self again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:55:16 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971119065254.2dd71c7a@megamed.com> At 09:59 PM 11/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mary, > > I am confused by your response. You ask "Anyway, do you have >ideas for my questions?" Please note my numerous notations within your >last posting. > > Again, as noted I am not aware of where Elaine says no SBOS. >Also, where do you suppose that your son got exposed to Mercury if no >amalgams? Does he eat a lot of fish?? esp Tuna?? > > Hope this clears up any confusion. > > Pat Dear Pat, Thanks for your response, I don't know how I missed it the first time, maybe mercury brain fog.<grin> I think my son may have gotten mercury in utero, remember, I had cancer when he was in utero. Also, I have lots of mercury amalgams in my molars. Finally, being on antibiotics for so long, and having dysbiosis for so long, his body could not move out any toxic metals. Not only that, remember, we live next door to a neighbor who has been doing heavy pesticide spraying every 2 weeks for the past 20 plus years, do pesticides contain mercury?? Would mercury toxicity cause his tactile defensiveness?? He can't stand it if you touch his head, it is painful to him. I finally got the spraying stopped, after I told the neighbor my son had seizures from it. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: weight gain and SCD Message-ID: <971119110600_-121143970@mrin41.mail.aol.com> I too have lost weight. From 150 to 135 in about a month. I, however, don't want to be losing weight. What can I add (to my diet) that will increase weight gain. Any suggestions? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:13:07 -0800 From: Carol Sveilich <csveilich@ucsd.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: help w/list Message-ID: <v03110701b098ce89739d@[132.239.207.40]> How do I subscribe to this list so that it is delivered in a digest and not messages one by one? Thanks! -Carol Carol Sveilich, Undergraduate Program Representative University of California, San Diego/Department of Sociology 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093-0533 Office: (619) 534-4628 Fax: (619) 534-4753 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:44:18 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: weight gain and SCD Message-ID: <9711191644.AA21318@swansong.amd.com> ----- Begin Included Message ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everyone, I have been reading that a number of you have gained weight on this diet. I, on the other hand, have lost almost 13 pounds ( from 120-something to 108-110 pounds) in a matter of 5-6 weeks. No celulite what-so-ever. I don't starve myself, and eat lots of fattening stuff until I am full (none of which I used to touch before in fear of gaining weight). Seems like eliminating starches and sugar caused me to lose weight. I'm not complaning. No one outside this diet believes I actually eat eggs, meat, butter, bacon, and nuts among others, and yet be so skinny. Simone ----- End Included Message ----- hi, sounds like your'e in the ZONE, low levels of insulin (the key to un-locking fat) are causing the weight loss, zone man barry sears recommends adding monosaturated fat to your diet to prevent further weight loss, the dr's mary and dan eades recommend adding carb's (favorable low glycemic carbs) until you start to gain weight, this is hard to do when eating mostly meat\vegatables, according to all three, fat don't make you fat. in fact JAMA just published an article that concluded that 30% fat was better than lower levels of fat, its slow, but soon everyone will be eating the way you are. (p.s. fat is supposed to slow the rate of entry of carb's into the blood, thus keeping insulin low.) ted Dr. Robert Knopp and his colleagues took 444 male patients with high lipid levels and put them on various levels of fat, ranging from 30 percent to 18 percent for a one-year period. Patients with both high cholesterol and high triglycerides did best on the 30-percent fat diet. More interestingly, the more aggressively the fat content of the diet was lowered, the worse the results became. On the lowest-fat diets,good cholesterol dropped and triglycerides increased. This is a good indication that insulin levels were becoming elevated. In addition, very low density cholesterol increased, and reduction of bad cholesterol decreased. These results led Dr. Knopp to state, ìthese observations indicate that the extra effort of aggressive fat restriction may be not only less beneficial but also counterproductive, since elevated triglycerides and low HDL-cholesterol levels are all cardiovascular risk predictors in their own right ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:54:20 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: weight gain and SCD Message-ID: <l03110701b098d5ef3139@[206.40.74.46]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Mike, First 2 months on SCD I lost weight, about 15 pounds (5'3", that's a lot of weight for me) ... but when I began to be able to expand what I was eating (from the "getting started on the diet" diet, I slowly introduced muffins, and cookies and supplemented 1/2 and 1/2 instead of whole milk to the yogurt recipe; all this in addition to the cheesecake ( was eating from the beginning of the diet) and I began to notice that I was putting on the pounds I had lost. Now, I'm beginning to want to cut back the "fat" so that I won't gain anymore! But, I do love those pumpkin cookies, banana nut bread, nut muffins, honey crisps...goodies that I feel are important ... they are such "comfort" foods and I do sometimes feel "deprived" so it's nice to be able to eat them...maybe I'll just cut down! Can you eat these "comfort" foods? If you can, go for it and have a good time while you're at it!!!! Love, Prateeksha >I too have lost weight. From 150 to 135 in about a month. I, however, don't >want to be losing weight. What can I add (to my diet) that will increase >weight gain. Any suggestions? > >Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:19:30 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: don't throw away that aloe vera, necessarily Message-ID: <199711191420_MC2-28C6-84AC@compuserve.com> My understanding is that there is something in the aloevera leaf that is a purgative, i.e., causes diarrhea, even violently so. However, this ingredient is removed in the juice that we get in the stores. There's a lot of controversy about aloe vera as to which preparations really have those antiinflammatory ingredients in them. Some clinical studies I've seen indicate helpfulness in IBD, but these weren't controlled studies. Rumors are that there are controlled studies under way. The company which is making the biggest claims for aloe vera -- Mannatech -- is a grand royal pain-in-the-distal-colon to deal with, especially trying to get real information (as opposed to promos) from them. You can check it all out on the IBD list archives. John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:26:31 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: don't throw away that aloe vera, necessarily Message-ID: <199711191926.NAA10580@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Mannatech was doing controlled studies last year for UC patients. They quit the testing early on because none of the patients were being helped. Their honesty caused their stock to go down the tubes, at least at that time. This was all in the newspapers, but I can't remember the exact date. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Nov 19 13:22 CST 1997 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:19:30 -0500 > From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> > Subject: don't throw away that aloe vera, necessarily > Sender: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> > To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > My understanding is that there is something in the aloevera leaf that is a > purgative, i.e., causes diarrhea, even violently so. However, this > ingredient is removed in the juice that we get in the stores. > > There's a lot of controversy about aloe vera as to which preparations > really have those antiinflammatory ingredients in them. Some clinical > studies I've seen indicate helpfulness in IBD, but these weren't controlled > studies. Rumors are that there are controlled studies under way. The > company which is making the biggest claims for aloe vera -- Mannatech -- is > a grand royal pain-in-the-distal-colon to deal with, especially trying to > get real information (as opposed to promos) from them. > > You can check it all out on the IBD list archives. > > John Blank > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:29:55 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #104 Message-ID: <971119152953_1105213105@mrin42.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-19 07:11:06 EST, you write: << > Dear All, On the mercury testing , here is what I have learned from a very knowledgeable friend . The hair testing for it is not very accurate. A better test is called the Clifford Materials Reactivity Test. This tests for materials used in dentistry and how you react to it immunologically. The following is the information she shared with me. well, you guys, its just like everything else. Huggins disagrees with Clifford and Clifford disagrees with Huggins. just another circle. I had my test done thru Huggins. My doctor doesnt trust this test so HE had me spend MORE money (and by the way, the test is $225) to be tested by Clifford. well, i dont play these games. i had two tests done and I AM TELLING MY DENTIST he will use something compatible from BOTH tests. i am not coming back here ever again in my life because i dont have the right material in my mouth and have to spend MORE money on redoing them. they are ALL nuts. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: swelling Message-ID: <971119160521_2005273180@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Hi. I have had swelling in my feet for over 2 months. I never had any surgeries, and I think I had CD for a couple of years (diagnosed 6 weeks ago). My feet swell in the heel and the ball of the feet (usually under the 2nd toe, along with the toe). It often burns much like wearing very tight high heel shoes while running a 10K marathon (if you can imagine how that would feel). The pain and swelling went away for a week or so, but as soon as I did some extended walking, I became literally crippled again. My doctor told me it's due to CD, and I also read over and over that arthritis is a syptom of CD. I don't know how similar this is to arthritis since I never had arthritis. I didn't think 26-year olds had arthritis. Also, through blood tests, I tested negative for rheumatoric disease or lupus. So it has to be the CD. Even Elaine agreed that arthirtis can and often accompany IBD. Not everyone is afflicted with this blessed pain. But what can I do? I refuse to take prescription NSAIDS. I just wait patiently. I have to, I can't go anywhere far. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:32:26 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: swelling in feet Message-ID: <3473AF49.A00398BB@snet.net> Simone, The condition you describe with your feet, sounds very similar to a condition called "plantar fascitis" (PF) The PF is a band of connective tissue/muscle along the bottom of the foot. Like the string portion on a bow (and arrow), It attaches form from the heel to the balls of the feet. It can become inflamed and irritated by overuse, like in running or other weight bearing exercise. It's quite common. It can be treated by health care providers who are familiar with it (podiatrists, chiropractors, and others) In other words, your condition, MAY BE UNRELATED to IBD. Jeff ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #105 ***********************
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