SCD-list November 1997


SCD-list Thu, 20 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 106

In this issue:

RE: mercury
RE: Tactile sensitivity
Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
RE: Tactile sensitivity
RE: weight gain and SCD
Foot swelling
Mike trying to gain weight..
"Other Online Ressources" webpage erased
DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:07:21 -0700
From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE: mercury
Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846147628@LOGIXMAIL>

Low level of hg in the hair usually mean a person is not a ood excreter
of Hg according to Huggins.

pat

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> From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 3:02 PM
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> Subject: mercury
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> Pat -
>
> we have to make sure we cover ALL ground on the mercury issue. NONE of
> my
> hair analysis have showed levels of mercury YET there are cavitations
> worth
> mentioning. People get confused and will go out and take a hair
> analysis test
> and when it comes back negative (because metals DO NOT show up
> normally on
> the first test at all, not to mention until you start mobilizing
> them), they
> will think they don't have the problem or A problem. there are three
> things
> that need to be addressed in the mercury-link: 1) mercury fillings
> (same as
> silver fillings) 2) cavitations 3) root canals. If the whole issue
> isnt
> addressed INCLUDING CHELATING IT OUT once it is removed, you cannot
> improve.
>
> mercury DOES NOT BELONG in the body and encourages cavitations and
> resistant
> bacteria. why mess with it? im not even questioning tests - im just
> having
> them removed.
>
> Joan

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:07:23 -0700
From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity
Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B9846147629@LOGIXMAIL>

William,

good info. Perhaps eventually I'll get there as your results seem
healthier to me.

pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Laing [SMTP:wlaing@telusplanet.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 9:17 PM
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> Subject: Re: Tactile sensitivity
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com>
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 1:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity
> >SCD MAILING LIST
> >Moira,
> snip
> > Also, SCD tends to be a fairly low residue
> >type diet so it will not cause there to be huge amounts of stool. At
> >least it does not with me. Perhaps, others can comment on this too??
> snip
> >Whatever, I would encourage you to fell encouraged with the progress
> >that you are experiencing with your son! Hang in there!
> >
> >Pat
> Pat and the group.
>
> Thank you Pat for inviting comments on the above statement, it allows
> me
> the opportunity to reply to the subject without feeling I am being
> controversial.
>
> Shortly after reaching a point where the Ulcerative Colitis showed
> signs
> of improvement and even to this day in full remission I am always
> amazed at
> the large volume of stool that I produce on the SCDiet. I would
> estimate
> some thing in the order of three times the volume as when pre SCD
> days. With
> regularity to the hour once each day, absolutely no discomfort and
> easily
> passed. Well formed but not as a hard material .
> I remain on the SCDiet to-day, (other than one small square of
> chocolate
> some days) I eat more than my share of nuts, approx 2 teaspoons of
> honey a
> day perhaphs 4 to 6 apples 2 or 3 bannanas, some days oranges. But the
> main
> stay is mixed vegetables. I alternated between frozen for one meal
> then for
> the next meal I will eat fresh chopped up vegetables cooked up in
> olive oil.
> All types of squashes, meat , chicken, or fish every day . I do
> notice the
> stool will reflect any changes I might make to the above diet.
> eg. if I eat a larger amout of meat than I would normally or
> unbalance the
> fruits and vegetables. My bads habits ..... I drink 3 or more cups of
> weak
> coffee a day and other than the liquid in it I dont need it and may
> have to
> stop. I do feel great most of the time .
>
> I am wondering if any one else in the group has found the same?
>
> William
>

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:09:21 -0500 (EST)
From: MSWday@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <971119230921_1372504668@mrin83.mail.aol.com>

Thanks prateeksha,

I'm going to try the 1/2 and 1/2 for milk. I haven't experimented much with
the diet. I'm very busy (and lazy). Breakfast is yogurt and coffee, lunch
is always chicken breasts and peas, and dinner is steak, fish or more
chicken. I tried the muffins (with home ground nuts, I didn't like them, or
the texture., with the store bought nut flour is it the same consistence as
real flour?? ) I can't find the dry curd/bakers cheese/ farmers friendly
cheese to make the cheesecake, and some of the other cheese based goodies.
Although I have become rather addicted to the honey/peanut butter cookies.
Those are great.

Thanks
Mike

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:20 -0700
From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity
Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984614762A@LOGIXMAIL>

See below:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:55 AM
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> Subject: RE: Tactile sensitivity
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> At 09:59 PM 11/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
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> >Mary,
> >
> > I am confused by your response. You ask "Anyway, do you have
> >ideas for my questions?" Please note my numerous notations within
> your
> >last posting.
> >
> > Again, as noted I am not aware of where Elaine says no SBOS.
> >Also, where do you suppose that your son got exposed to Mercury if no
> >amalgams? Does he eat a lot of fish?? esp Tuna??
> >
> > Hope this clears up any confusion.
> >
> > Pat
> Dear Pat,
>
> Thanks for your response, I don't know how I missed it the first time,
> maybe
> mercury brain fog.<grin> [Pat Sullivan] I know the feeling!
>
> I think my son may have gotten mercury in utero, remember, I had
> cancer when
> he was in utero. Also, I have lots of mercury amalgams in my molars.
>
> Finally, being on antibiotics for so long, and having dysbiosis for so
> long,
> his body could not move out any toxic metals. [Pat Sullivan]
> Possible.
>
>
> Not only that, remember, we live next door to a neighbor who has been
> doing
> heavy pesticide spraying every 2 weeks for the past 20 plus years, do
> pesticides contain mercury?? [Pat Sullivan] A lot of them do!
> Would mercury toxicity cause his tactile defensiveness?? He can't
> stand it
> if you touch his head, it is painful to him. [Pat Sullivan] Possibly.
> Mercury is a nasty thing and you can't predict where in the body it
> may end up and affect. No way that I know of for sure to tell.
>
I am finding that SCD and working at helping my body get rid of
Hg slowly is helping me with a multitude of symptoms but not the one
your son has. I would suggest that you keep on plugging away with SCD
and learn more about Hg. SCD, though is a big, big answer for me and I
would imagine for your son as well.


> I finally got the spraying stopped, after I told the neighbor my son
> had
> seizures from it. [Pat Sullivan] Great neighbor! Some would not have
> stopped!!
>
> Moira

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:25 -0700
From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984614762C@LOGIXMAIL>

Mike,

lots of eggs, lots of butter, essential oils, fish oil (mercury free!),
pecans,walnuts, fruit and vegies, meat, honey water and SCD-zucchini
muffins allowed me to stop weight loss and got me back to maintaining my
weight where it should be. I got to work at eating more cause complex
carbs used to fill me up faster and make me fat! Now, with no Complex
Carbs, seems I got to eat more often and more of it. 3 meals and 1-2
snacks per day.

Hope this give you some ideas!

pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MSWday@aol.com [SMTP:MSWday@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 9:06 AM
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> Subject: Re: weight gain and SCD
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> I too have lost weight. From 150 to 135 in about a month. I, however,
> don't
> want to be losing weight. What can I add (to my diet) that will
> increase
> weight gain. Any suggestions?
>
> Mike

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:47:48 -0600
From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Foot swelling
Message-ID: <199711200538.VAA28918@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us>

I've seen a couple of postings about swollen feet, and a lot of theories
about what the cause could be. If my son's experience is anything to go by,
it's likely to be just a symptom of gut inflamation. When Matt had his
problems this past winter and spring which led up to his CD diagnossis, we
had no idea that he had an intestinal problem. His symptoms were: sore
knees, shoulders, and other joints, mild temperature, weight loss, lesions
on his legs and feet(they were discolored swellings actually), and swollen
feet. He had to wear sandals to school most days for a while. A
rheumatologist looked him over, and sent us straight to the GI doctor.
Since getting his gut inflamation under control, his joint pain is minimal
and intermittent, He's growing and gaining weight, he has no temp, and he
has no swelling in his feet

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:30:07 -0800
From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Mike trying to gain weight..
Message-ID: <01bcf57d$beb855c0$932193d0@akpinar>

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Mike,=20

I noticed your diet is quite similar to mine, chicken breasts, peas, =
steak ....=20

I have benefited from fish oil pills. Ever since I noticed it =
recommended on this circuit, I have taken two/day fish oil pills with =
my meals. These pills also contain a small amount of Vitamin-E without =
any of the bad actors that most pills seem to contain. =20

Three meals a day, lots of eggs, and in between I snack on nuts and =
raisins... and yogurt. Mixture of yogurt and honey makes a quick =
lazyman's snack..=20

Muffins.. talking about muffins ... for the first two months of my SCD =
diet I kept baking muffins almost every other day... and the best taste =
I found was .. by skipping DCCC baker's cheese and using only yogurt .. =
the muffins I make with yogurt, almond flour, honey, eggs, baking soda, =
and salt... taste the best.. for a while I used baker's cheese.... but =
later gave it up when I found out that the muffins rise better without =
it.... Now I am able to make muffins just like the ones you buy at the =
store... blueberries and raisins and other additives improve the taste =
at will.

Keep eating the good things and lots of it , and keep avoiding the bad =
ones.... and have faith that in time you will be allright.....

Good Luck...
Alp

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:50:15 +0100
From: mik@inform-bbs.dk (mik aidt)
To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Cc: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: "Other Online Ressources" webpage erased
Message-ID: <1637011231.2190711@inform-bbs.dk>

Oups! The webpage with "Other Online Ressources" at the SCD Web Library was
erased from the server due to some silly mistake of mine, (using "save" instead
of "save as" while establishing a new page.)
The filename is "scd009.html". The webaddress is (was):
http://www.inform.dk/djembe/scd/scd009.html

I have a backup of it from June 16, but that one is quite old; there are
several new links missing. :-(

If you happen to have a backup of this page from later than June 16, 1997, at
home on your harddisk, (maybe in the cache of your browser) please mail it to
me:
mik@inform-bbs.dk

Thanks!

Yours,
Mik

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:31 -0500 (EST)
From: MMMMSTEVE@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: DRY CURD COTTAGE CHEESE
Message-ID: <971120161330_2060847799@mrin85.mail.aol.com>

not the best idea to keep infreezer more then 5 weeks and don't refrigerate
longer then date..keep it air tight as well as the air makes it go bad
faster.

three pounds is alot to buy at one time..

The COUNTRY FARM BRAND is in 1 pound package and is very SMOOTH in texture
not curdy and great for cheesecakes.

Again the company number is 914 632-9656

good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:31:08 -0800
From: "Linda Schaaf" <lschaaf@baxglobal.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: "Other Online Ressources" webpage erased
Message-ID: <88256555.007BA870.00@baxworld.com>

Sorry Mik I delete my cache quite frequently to clear up valuable hard disk
space.

Linda

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SCD-list Fri, 21 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 107

In this issue:

Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Re: SCD-list V1 #106
Re: swelling
Re: Sweedish Bitters
Re: Agave
Re: Agave
Re: confused about DCCC

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:28:05 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <l03110700b09abd00e2a8@[206.40.74.42]>

Dear Mike,

I think you'll love the yogurt made with the 1/2 and 1/2! It gives it such
a creamy, wonderful texture.

From the looks of things, no wonder you don't gain weight!!! And, eat more
veggies, buddy! Yes, the texture of the blanched, ground almond flour you
can buy at Hughson Nut Company (address, tele. no. in book) is far superior
to anything I ever ground here at home! Not to mention the time you
save!!! Some people have made very interesting comments on this list re
the way they store it, too! Are you drinking caffeinated coffee for
breakfast?Where do you live? Perhaps someone in the group lives in your
area and could tell you where to go to get your DCCC. Try the banana bread
made with chopped pecans, in the mini loaf pans...if you want a fanatastic
treat!

Prateeksha



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>Thanks prateeksha,
>
>I'm going to try the 1/2 and 1/2 for milk. I haven't experimented much with
>the diet. I'm very busy (and lazy). Breakfast is yogurt and coffee, lunch
>is always chicken breasts and peas, and dinner is steak, fish or more
>chicken. I tried the muffins (with home ground nuts, I didn't like them, or
>the texture., with the store bought nut flour is it the same consistence as
>real flour?? ) I can't find the dry curd/bakers cheese/ farmers friendly
>cheese to make the cheesecake, and some of the other cheese based goodies.
> Although I have become rather addicted to the honey/peanut butter cookies.
> Those are great.
>
>Thanks
>Mike

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:06:37 -0500 (EST)
From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #106
Message-ID: <971121100637_1813319316@mrin38>

In a message dated 97-11-21 07:16:11 EST, you write:

<< Low level of hg in the hair usually mean a person is not a ood excreter
of Hg according to Huggins.

pat


this is correct, so dont anybody be fooled when hair analysis comes back not
showing mercury

Joan

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:41:59 -0500 (EST)
From: PI5DA@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: swelling
Message-ID: <971121104159_-759091844@mrin79>

In a message dated 97-11-21 07:16:11 EST, you write:

<< When Matt had his
problems this past winter and spring which led up to his CD diagnossis, we
had no idea that he had an intestinal problem. His symptoms were: sore
knees, shoulders, and other joints, >>

Hi, it's Simone again.

Someone who's name fails me, suggested foot swelling could be a foot problem
which a podiatrist may be able to help. What I did not mention is that
besides the feet hurting, I often have problems with my knees, elbows, and
often wrists. I was pain and swelling free for over a week, but now
everything is back with a vengence. I can't help but relate it to CD.

I had previously lead a very active life, always on my feet....with no
problem what so ever. Even around the time when the pain in my feet and
joints started, I was no longer as active as before, and have been kind of
imoblile ever since.

Thanks for all your input. I wish it was an easy solution.

Simone

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:20:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Sweedish Bitters
Message-ID: <v03110700b09b02eb2075@[169.197.31.118]>

Simone:
>I will look into the book you mentioned, but my mom already has the original
>Sweedish Bitters recipe and has a bunch of it already made. But it tastes
>something awful. Since it's made with alcohol (vodka), I keep getting drunk
>off one simple dose (1 Tbs in a cup of tea 3 times a day). Besides, I didn't
>know the effect of alcohol on my compromised CD colon, so now I am
>considering applying it on my abdomen and letting it absorb through the skin.
>
>Any take on that?
>
Sheila:
I'm not sure which herbs take better in alcohol, oil, or water of those in
the Swedish Bitters. Generally, if a person is alcohol intolerant, they put
the drops of the tincture in very hot water and let the alcohol burn off. I
think your idea of putting it on the skin is great. The skin is far more
absorbent that I ever realized. Sandra Duggan has written a book...Edgar
Cayce's Complete Colon Care (or something like that...I believe she went
through his works and culled out all the intestinal stuff) and I know he
was big into the castor oil compresses across the abdomen to break up all
the junk in the intestines and even liver.


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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:20:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Agave
Message-ID: <v03110701b09b079838a5@[169.197.31.118]>

Steve:
>I was just reading a couple of posts having to do with aloe vera and
>poly-saccharides, and now I'm wondering about a drink I've been getting
>Matthew as a treat lately. I thought it was o.k, but now I'm not so sure.
>Maybe someone can straighten me out. Odwalla makes a limeade type of drink
>which is sweetened with agave. This is the cactus which is used to make
>tequila and pulque. It is very sweet. As a matter of fact, the juice that,
>when fermented, is the alchoholic drink pulque is called agua de miel, or
>honey water. I've been assuming that the sweetness is from fructose, but
>now I worried that it might be a more complex sugar. Does anyone know
>anything about this?

Sheila:
I think I'd get on the phone to Odwalla and find out what's in it, what's
making it so sweet. As much as I'd like to be in pulque-honey heaven, I
really want to know what people are bottom line putting in their products
esp if it inflames the intestines. The bottle must have their state and
city (Washington I believe).
,
>
>>if anyone didn't get a chance to read the newsweek article
>and would like to do so, let me know and I'll forward a copy by email. I
>downloaded the text from NW's site on AOL.

Sheila:
Yes, I would definitely like a copy. My clients have told me about it and
I'm very interested. The intestines are finally claiming prime-time
space...Yea!
Many thanks


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Sheila Shea
Tucson AZ------------------
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http://www.sheilas.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:24:05 -0500
From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Agave
Message-ID: <85256556.006A820B.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com>

Hi Sheila,

Yes, could you please forward me a copy of the Newsweek article. I did not
have a chance to get my hands on a copy. Thanks for all the trouble.

Lynn




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Friday November 21, 1997 02:20 PM




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Steve:
>I was just reading a couple of posts having to do with aloe vera and
>poly-saccharides, and now I'm wondering about a drink I've been getting
>Matthew as a treat lately. I thought it was o.k, but now I'm not so sure.
>Maybe someone can straighten me out. Odwalla makes a limeade type of drink
>which is sweetened with agave. This is the cactus which is used to make
>tequila and pulque. It is very sweet. As a matter of fact, the juice that,
>when fermented, is the alchoholic drink pulque is called agua de miel, or
>honey water. I've been assuming that the sweetness is from fructose, but
>now I worried that it might be a more complex sugar. Does anyone know
>anything about this?
Sheila:
I think I'd get on the phone to Odwalla and find out what's in it, what's
making it so sweet. As much as I'd like to be in pulque-honey heaven, I
really want to know what people are bottom line putting in their products
esp if it inflames the intestines. The bottle must have their state and
city (Washington I believe).
,
>
>>if anyone didn't get a chance to read the newsweek article
>and would like to do so, let me know and I'll forward a copy by email. I
>downloaded the text from NW's site on AOL.
Sheila:
Yes, I would definitely like a copy. My clients have told me about it and
I'm very interested. The intestines are finally claiming prime-time
space...Yea!
Many thanks

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:40:23 -0800
From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: confused about DCCC
Message-ID: <19971121.134027.10454.0.rosset@juno.com>

Dear Annie,
Dry curd cottage cheese looks just like regular cottage cheese minus the
creamy- milky base. So all you should see is curds. I haven't used
Farmer's cheese yet, it sounds like it is has a smooth texture instead of
curds. I would
imagine that they aren't identical in flavor. Lately there has been some
talk about
not freezing dccc past it's expiration date. I've found that it freezes
just fine. I do usually use it within 2 or 3 months of freezing. I don't
know about dccc in other
parts, but here in WA state I have found that the dccc usually goes bad
before
the expiration date. I have more than once bought it spoiled with up to 4
days left on the date. So now I don't buy it unless it has at least 6
days to go before the expiration date. Knowing how easily it spoils if I
use only half of it in a recipe, I will freeze
the rest right away. Maybe the person who wrote in saying it doesn't
freeze well actually froze it after it had started turning and then
thought it had spoiled in the freezer.
Good luck.
Lucy
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:57:12 -0500 Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu>
writes:
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>Hi:
>
>I am confused about this product. In the stores in Ann Arbor, I have
>found
>something that says Dry Curd Cottage Cheese in the refrig seciton, but
>it
>also says contains 1/2% milkfat and looks like small curd cottage
>chess.
>Is this what is ok to use?
>
>I recently found Farmers Cheese. It's packaged as a block and has no
>moisture to it. Should I use this instead?
>
>-Annie
>
>Ann Culverhouse
>Program Coordinator
>Center for Professional Development
>313-647-7187
>fx: 313-647-7182
>
>
>

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SCD-list Sat, 22 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 108

In this issue:

Re:Newsweek article
Re: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Stevia
Bladder Infections among SCD-ers
Re: weight gain and SCD
Re: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Re:
Re:coffee - caffeinated

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:17:44 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re:Newsweek article
Message-ID: <l03110700b09ba81cccb4@[206.40.74.60]>

Dear Sheila,

I'd also like a copy of the Newsweek article.

Thanks a bunch.

Prateeksha

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:02:52 -0500 (EST)
From: MSWday@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <971121220251_2105798504@mrin45.mail.aol.com>

prateeksha,

I drink caffeinated coffee. It's a strange thing, before the diet I drank my
coffee with sugar and milk. I thought it was the caffein giving me diarrhea.
Since the diet I'm fine with coffee. IT WAS THE SUGAR AND MILK!!
I live in L.A. I checked on the list once before and couldn't find anyone
local with a DCCC connection. Some San Diego's and San Francisco's.
Actually I'm going to be in San Francisco next week I should look for a
place there and bring a bag of nut flour back.
I do need to start expanding my food intake to include some more things. I
feel safe with what I've found so far so I don't want to screw with it

thanks
mike

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:40:53 -0800
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Stevia
Message-ID: <34765445.48D4@pacbell.net>

I had read someone's post saying the sweetner Stevia is not allowed on
the SCD. Does anyone know why?

Denise

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:43:47 -0800
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Bladder Infections among SCD-ers
Message-ID: <347654F3.1B1D@pacbell.net>

A question for the gals of the group: did or do any of you have chronic
bladder infections that cleared up with the SCD? I have. Mine are
still reoccurring on and off though, altho' they are less frequent by
far. I have a feeling that the SCD must affect the bladder bacteria as
well as the gut. Any others have any thoughts about this?

Denise

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:27:39 -0600
From: Gerry & Rene Jantzi <gjantzi3@airmail.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject:
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971122092739.0068d7b0@mail.airmail.net>

Pastry ( for a 9-inch double-crust pie) From the Mennonite Community=
Cookbook

2=BC cups almond flour
2/3 cup shortning - I use butter
=BD teaspoon salt
1/3 cup water
Combine flour and salt in a mixing bowl. Cut shortening (butter slightly
melted) into flour with a pastry blender or two knives. Do not over mix;
these are sufficiently blended when particles ar the size of peas. Add
water gradually, sprinkling a little at a time over the mixture. Use only
enough water to hold the pastry together when it is pressed between the
fingers. It should not feel wet. Roll dough ino a round ball, handling as
little as possible. Roll out on a lightly floured board into a circle 1/8
in thick and one inch larger than the diameter of the top of the pie pan.
(I roll between two pieces of waxed paper to help handling and cleaning up
then I strip off on side of the waxed paper transport it to the pie pan and
press it in). trim to the edge of the pie pan. Prick with a fork. Each
person has their own pattern of fork pricks on the pie crust. The artistry
of each individual is different. Bake at 450=BA for 12 - 15 minutes or
until a golden brown.

Honey Baked Lentils (from More with Less Cookbook)
Combine in a dutch oven or sauce pan:
1 lb. (21/3 cups) lentils - orange ones would add color
1 small bay leaf
5 c. water
Soak lentils overnite and then drain

combine seperately
1 t. dry mustard
=BC t powdered ginger
1 T soy sauce (optional not sure if it is legal)
=BD c. chopped onions
2 cups water
4 slices bacon cut in one inch pieces ( stir most of the bacon into the
lentils but sprinkle remainder on top. You can substitute browned ground
beef or sliced pieces of sausage from whole foods.
Pour over all 1/3 cup honey
Cover tightly and bake one hour at 350=BA serves 8. uncover last ten=
minutes to
Great cold as a salad Gerry

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:44:38 -0700
From: tarisawa@wic.net (Arisawa, Toru)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <3476FDE6.6F34@wic.net>

MSWday@aol.com wrote:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> SCD MAILING LIST
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> prateeksha,
>
> I drink caffeinated coffee. It's a strange thing, before the diet I drank my
> coffee with sugar and milk. I thought it was the caffein giving me diarrhea.
> Since the diet I'm fine with coffee. IT WAS THE SUGAR AND MILK!!
> I live in L.A. I checked on the list once before and couldn't find anyone
> local with a DCCC connection. Some San Diego's and San Francisco's.
> Actually I'm going to be in San Francisco next week I should look for a
> place there and bring a bag of nut flour back.
> I do need to start expanding my food intake to include some more things. I
> feel safe with what I've found so far so I don't want to screw with it
>
> thanks
> mike

I too feel better taking the occasional cup of coffee since starting the
diet - but I always drank black coffee - it used to make me
hypoglycaemic and affect my energy levels before, but I still only take
it occasionally.
...Isabella...

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:38:36 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: weight gain and SCD
Message-ID: <l03110700b09d1c9b5118@[206.40.74.35]>

Dear Mike,

I think Moira lives in San Francisco; perhaps she could tell you where she
gets the DCCC. It's possible that you could call them Monday, ask them
whey their delivery is, and ask that they order an extra # or so for you to
take home with you, if they don't get in very much. My Whole Foods Grocery
gets an order of Friendship Farmer's cheese every Tuesday and Thursday. I
go on one of those days and get the 3# block; have them package it in
small, 1/2# packages; take it home, wrap it in small freezer plastic bags
and freeze it; take a package out as I need it. It does freeze 2 or 3
months without any problem.



>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>SCD MAILING LIST
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>prateeksha,
>
>I drink caffeinated coffee. It's a strange thing, before the diet I drank my
>coffee with sugar and milk. I thought it was the caffein giving me diarrhea.
> Since the diet I'm fine with coffee. IT WAS THE SUGAR AND MILK!!
>I live in L.A. I checked on the list once before and couldn't find anyone
>local with a DCCC connection. Some San Diego's and San Francisco's.
> Actually I'm going to be in San Francisco next week I should look for a
>place there and bring a bag of nut flour back.
>I do need to start expanding my food intake to include some more things. I
>feel safe with what I've found so far so I don't want to screw with it
>
>thanks
>mike

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:45:24 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <l03110701b09d1edbd845@[206.40.74.46]>

Dear Gerry:

I don't think soy sauce is allowed; no soybean products allowed - is my
understanding.

Prateeksha



>--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Pastry ( for a 9-inch double-crust pie) From the Mennonite Community Cookb=
ook
>
>2=BC cups almond flour
>2/3 cup shortning - I use butter
>=BD teaspoon salt
>1/3 cup water
>Combine flour and salt in a mixing bowl. Cut shortening (butter slightly
>melted) into flour with a pastry blender or two knives. Do not over mix;
>these are sufficiently blended when particles ar the size of peas. Add
>water gradually, sprinkling a little at a time over the mixture. Use only
>enough water to hold the pastry together when it is pressed between the
>fingers. It should not feel wet. Roll dough ino a round ball, handling as
>little as possible. Roll out on a lightly floured board into a circle 1/8
>in thick and one inch larger than the diameter of the top of the pie pan.
>(I roll between two pieces of waxed paper to help handling and cleaning up
>then I strip off on side of the waxed paper transport it to the pie pan and
>press it in). trim to the edge of the pie pan. Prick with a fork. Each
>person has their own pattern of fork pricks on the pie crust. The artistry
>of each individual is different. Bake at 450=BA for 12 - 15 minutes or
>until a golden brown.
>
>Honey Baked Lentils (from More with Less Cookbook)
>Combine in a dutch oven or sauce pan:
>1 lb. (21/3 cups) lentils - orange ones would add color
>1 small bay leaf
>5 c. water
>Soak lentils overnite and then drain
>
>combine seperately
>1 t. dry mustard
>=BC t powdered ginger
>1 T soy sauce (optional not sure if it is legal)
>=BD c. chopped onions
>2 cups water
>4 slices bacon cut in one inch pieces ( stir most of the bacon into the
>lentils but sprinkle remainder on top. You can substitute browned ground
>beef or sliced pieces of sausage from whole foods.
>Pour over all 1/3 cup honey
>Cover tightly and bake one hour at 350=BA serves 8. uncover last ten=
minutes to
>Great cold as a salad Gerry

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:50:01 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re:coffee - caffeinated
Message-ID: <l03110702b09d1f57f577@[206.40.74.46]>

I think Elaine says best to not take caffein since caffein is a stimulate
of the bowels - and for those of us who have chronic diarrhea, we don't
need this!!!!

However, she does mention that if you take coffee, it should only be taken
after diarrhea is finished and then very weak.

Better yet, just decaffeinated.

I am a real coffee lover, especially cappucino's,ummmmmm. BUT, I'M NOT
DRINKING EVEN DECAFFEINATED, as my intuition tells me NO!!!!! So, I have
become a tea drinker.

Prateeksha







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>MSWday@aol.com wrote:
>>
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>> prateeksha,
>>
>> I drink caffeinated coffee. It's a strange thing, before the diet I
>>drank my
>> coffee with sugar and milk. I thought it was the caffein giving me
>>diarrhea.
>> Since the diet I'm fine with coffee. IT WAS THE SUGAR AND MILK!!
>> I live in L.A. I checked on the list once before and couldn't find anyone
>> local with a DCCC connection. Some San Diego's and San Francisco's.
>> Actually I'm going to be in San Francisco next week I should look for a
>> place there and bring a bag of nut flour back.
>> I do need to start expanding my food intake to include some more things. I
>> feel safe with what I've found so far so I don't want to screw with it
>>
>> thanks
>> mike
>
>I too feel better taking the occasional cup of coffee since starting the
>diet - but I always drank black coffee - it used to make me
>hypoglycaemic and affect my energy levels before, but I still only take
>it occasionally.
>...Isabella...

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End of SCD-list V1 #108
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SCD-list Sun, 23 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 109

In this issue:

Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Yogurt Makers
Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Re: BOOK SOURCE
Re: swelling
Re: swelling
soft bread

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:30:36 -0500 (EST)
From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Message-ID: <971122223035_139653472@mrin40.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-22 22:24:30 EST, you write:

<<
I had read someone's post saying the sweetner Stevia is not allowed on
the SCD. Does anyone know why?

Denise >>

the only thing i remember is its chemical composition. dont think what it is
composed of has been answered.

Joan

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:33:01 -0500 (EST)
From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Message-ID: <971122223301_-893907871@mrin83.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-22 22:24:30 EST, you write:

<< combine seperately
1 t. dry mustard
=BC t powdered ginger
1 T soy sauce (optional not sure if it is legal)
=BD c. chopped onions
2 cups water >>

what is BC and BD???
how much powdered ginger?
how many cups of chopped onions?

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:47:01 -0700
From: tarisawa@wic.net (Arisawa, Toru)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Yogurt Makers
Message-ID: <3477B545.1D94@wic.net>

Hi, this is Isabella here.

Can anyone advise me on which is the best yogurt maker?
Someone gave a recipe for making yogurt in a double boiler which I
missed would really appreciate if you could send it again!

I have just been reading about one called Yogourmet Multi yogurt maker
which sounds impressive because it will also make a yogurt from a
'casei bifidus acidophilus' yogurt starter, and according to the
manufacturers this requires 12 to 15 hours incubation during which
time the temperature must be increased gradually from 23-44 degs C.
I like the sound of using 3 different types of culture rather than
just one. I think the texture of yogurt is also affected by which
type of culture is used and read something about this in a book some
years ago called PROBIOTICS written by an employee of the Natren
company, which though that could cause some bias was a very good read.

Would appreciate comments.

Reply to Isabella ... e:mail tarisawa@wic.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:38:36 -0600
From: Gerry & Rene Jantzi <gjantzi3@airmail.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #108
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971123093836.0068b7fc@mail.airmail.net>

Apparently your computer did not translate the fractions that are available
but not normally on the keyboard. Your BC = 1/4, and BD = 1/2. Thank you
for asking, Gerry

At 10:33 PM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
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>In a message dated 97-11-22 22:24:30 EST, you write:
>
><< combine seperately
> 1 t. dry mustard
> =BC t powdered ginger
> 1 T soy sauce (optional not sure if it is legal)
> =BD c. chopped onions
> 2 cups water >>
>
>what is BC and BD???
>how much powdered ginger?
>how many cups of chopped onions?
>
>

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:19:17 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: BOOK SOURCE
Message-ID: <l03010d00b09e13466c55@[206.112.46.30]>

Hi John,
I just got back from vacation & saw your post about Dr. Hass's book. Please
let me know more about it. Does it go into much about the diet or his
problems promoting it, or is it basically a biography. I checked your
website but couldn't find out about this book. Hope all is well with you.
Rachel

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:59:59 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: swelling
Message-ID: <l03010d01b09e173e5b27@[206.112.46.11]>

Dear Simone,
I've been down your road with the foot pain & I know from personal
experience what a nightmare it can be. Does it feel like a taut wire (both
physically & to the touch) running from just under the ball under your big
toe to where your heel begins? I ran the gambit trying to find releif from
this pain. A freind who is a chiropractor was convinced it was (I probably
have the term wrong) something to do with the "fascia", and gave me deep
painfull massages. The pain proceeded to get worse. I went to the
rhuemetoligist, (because of the UC connection) who did bloodwork & said I
was HLA-B27 positive and said I have arthritis connected to my UC & sent me
for physical therapy. No help whatsoever! Eventually I went to a podiatrist
(also a freind) who knew my UC/HLA-B27 history, said that my feet were in
really bad shape because of this, put these kind of soft casts on my feet,
changing the tape every few days. Then he prescribed orthotics (specially
designed shoe inserts made from an exact mold of your foot) and this is
what eventually abated the pain. If your pain is what I described, I hope
this can save you from some of what I've had to go through. Lots of luck!
Rachel

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:17:03 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: swelling
Message-ID: <l03010d03b09e2258f6c0@[206.112.46.11]>

Dear Simone,
Just got to your second letter (I've been on vacation all week & am
laboriously going thru last weeks stuff). Again, all that joint pain is
exactlly what I had. Please have a blood test done for HLA-B27. Not that
there's anything they can do if you have spondylitis or any of the other
IBD associated arthritis, but knowing does help. You say you lead an active
life, well I've been practicing martial arts for many years and will
continue to do so in spite of my arthritis and frankly, I strongly beleive
that this is what has kept me mobile. PLease keep me posted.
Rachel

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:17:47 -0500 (EST)
From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: soft bread
Message-ID: <971123151747_-1940659356@mrin51.mail.aol.com>

ok, i experimented in making some kind of soft bread. some of you were
complaining on the density. well, THIS is soft. it is the highest risen bread
ive seen as far as the scd goes but i havent tasted it yet. it is also the
most perfect looking after its done. it gooks good.

3 1/2 c. almond flour
3 eggs
1/4 c. melted butter
1 tsp. baking soda
1 c. yogurt
1/4 tsp. salt

usual directions - mix together in food processor, bake at 350 for about 45
minutes. youll have to test to see when its done. i let it cool for quite a
long time before removing from pan so it doesnt flop

Joan

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SCD-list Mon, 24 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 110

In this issue:

San Francisco connection
Thanksgiving
Thankgiving
Re: SCD-list V1 #109
Weight Loss
[Fwd: Weight Loss]

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:47:20 -0500 (EST)
From: MSWday@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: San Francisco connection
Message-ID: <971123214719_1793861154@mrin84.mail.aol.com>

A while back someone posted the name and address of a place in San Francisco
where they sell nut flour and dry curd cc. I am going to be in San Francisco
next week and seeing how I can't find any in Los Angeles, this is a good
time to stock up. Can anyone is San Francisco help with a name/address

Thnaks
Mike

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:00:53 +0000
From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <19971123.220053.13502.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com>

This is my first Thanksgiving on the diet and I was just wandering if
anyone has ever made bread dressing from the bread in the book. I am
going to try to make bread dressing this thanksgiving. I think I am
going to use the receipe for soft bread that Joan sent on the list Sunday
Nov. 23. Also I would like to know if anyone has made the Lemon
Souffle and if they have is it good? I am also going to try to make a
sweet potato casserole using butternut squash instead of sweet potatoes.
I am going out of town for thanksgiving, but I plan on cooking my own
stuff. I just don't trust others. I will let ya'll know how the
dressing and casserole turned out. If it turns out good I will send the
receipes. Hope everyone has a great holiday!
Karen

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:17:06 -0500
From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Thankgiving
Message-ID: <34799A71.C9D73536@bedford.net>

Well, the big thanksgiving dinner is fast approaching. I just tried the
mock mashed potatoes using califlower and it was an excellent
substitute. It was very easy to make -- so IMO, its just not worth
breaking the diet just for the mashed potatoes.

I think many of us are in a real difficult situation with the diet and
this holiday. Personally, I'm worried about pleasing my parents -- I can
see how unhappy they are at the fact that many foods are off limits to
me, that somehow this will make the holiday less of a celebration. You
would not believe how happy they were that I was able to have roast beef
and mashed "potatoes" with them Saturday night!

My main consession on the diet is going to be the gravy. The small
amount of cornstarch is not going to kill me. I'm probably going to
make the cranberry recipe in the book and have some wine. Hopefully,
this will appease all present and insure them that I am in fact having a
wonderful thanksgiving.

How does food become this important in our lives? How's everyone
else's plans coming along?


Good luck to you all ....

Bill

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:29:16 -0500 (EST)
From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #109
Message-ID: <971124122916_1981194911@mrin44.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-24 00:43:31 EST, you write:

<< Hi, this is Isabella here.

>> Can anyone advise me on which is the best yogurt maker?

definitely go with the yogurtmet


>> 'casei bifidus acidophilus' yogurt starter, and according to the
manufacturers this requires 12 to 15 hours incubation

MINIMUM fermentation is 24 hours regardless of manufacturers instructions per
elaine

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:59:50 -0800
From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Weight Loss
Message-ID: <347A14F6.4C3B@plinet.com>

11-24-97
To:SCD-list@longisland.com
From:Genemashk@plinet.com
Subject:Weight Loss

Well I've been on the diet for eleven weeks and I've lost
about twelve LBS more or less. The thing I wonder about most
is how do I overcome the stamina and endurance that I've lost
on the diet? Let me explain, having been an avid cyclist for
about ten years the one thing I've not been able to do is
carbo load. Does anyone have a solution for this problem?
Other than that I have been able to cut my medication in half
and my stomach feels much better so the diet is working. I
would appreciate any feedback that anyone has on carbo loading.

Thanks Gene

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:07:05 -0800
From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com>
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Subject: [Fwd: Weight Loss]
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11-24-97
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From:Genemashk@plinet.com
Subject:Weight Loss

Well I've been on the diet for eleven weeks and I've lost
about twelve LBS more or less. The thing I wonder about most
is how do I overcome the stamina and endurance that I've lost
on the diet? Let me explain, having been an avid cyclist for
about ten years the one thing I've not been able to do is
carbo load. Does anyone have a solution for this problem?
Other than that I have been able to cut my medication in half
and my stomach feels much better so the diet is working. I
would appreciate any feedback that anyone has on carbo loading.

Thanks Gene

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SCD-list Tue, 25 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 111

In this issue:

Re: BOOK SOURCE
Re Weight loss and Carbo Loading
Re: Weight Loss
Re:Turkey, Gravy and Stuffing
Re: Yougurmet - Yougurt Makers
Re: pemmican
Re: San Francisco connection

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:16:04 -0500
From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: BOOK SOURCE
Message-ID: <347A26D4.3C53@mail.fwi.com>

Rachel

In the web site look under the about the author section. This was supposed to be
retitled but has not been done yet. This section has the short biography of Dr. Haas
who invented the SCD.

John


Rachel Turet wrote:
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> Hi John,
> I just got back from vacation & saw your post about Dr. Hass's book. Please
> let me know more about it. Does it go into much about the diet or his
> problems promoting it, or is it basically a biography. I checked your
> website but couldn't find out about this book. Hope all is well with you.
> Rachel

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:39:34 -0500
From: jsafam@juno.com (S Albert)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re Weight loss and Carbo Loading
Message-ID: <19971124.211418.2910.7.jsafam@juno.com>

I am still having trouble keeping weight on, so I'm not a big help there.
I found that although at first my energy level dropped off dramatically
on the diet, after being on it a while, I have felt my energy level
increase somewhat. I used to be an avid exerciser also, but since I got
sick, I haven't done much, just because I've felt so badly. I am hoping I
will eventually get back to my old routine, once I put the lost weight
back on and things normalize. I find that eating lots of small meals,
with a lot of protein, seems to keep me going. Hope this is of some
help.

Stacia

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:45:15 -0700
From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Weight Loss
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971125074515.0067fc2c@mail.planet.eon.net>

>From:Genemashk@plinet.com
>Subject:Weight Loss

Gene,

This appears to be a common situation (I will not call it a problem) during
the early days of the diet. Everybody responds differently and like our
experience, looking back we were concerned also. What you have to realize
is that these "diseases" often took years to manifest themselves, you, like
others may have overlooked the early symptoms. So it will take (for some)
time to stop the slide downhill and pick up going uphill. Unlike other diets
the SCD works to alter the unhealthy biochemistry of the GI tract. This
takes time as unhealthy bacteria is displaced and the healthy bacteria take
up residence again. The diet will work gradually to correct the balance in
your intestine, all we can say is hang in there, we are sure it will get
better. The weight loss will stabalize, you will put on weight and the
strength and endurance will gradually return. Be prepared to measure
progress, perhaps in terms of months rather than days and weeks.

The diet is not the reason for your loss of weight, it is the effect of what
is going on in your GI tract. The diet is rich in appropriate
carbohydrates, high in protein and swimming in trace minerals. Stick with
it, it will pay off. We found that it took time to get things on track for
Martine, she was depleted at all levels, it takes time to get things back on
track especially if you are not absorbing due to mucus build up or a fast
transition time.

Take Care,
Partridge's
ALLAN

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:45:17 -0700
From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re:Turkey, Gravy and Stuffing
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971125074517.00673684@mail.planet.eon.net>

Karen wrote about stuffing etc,

We have just enjoyed (not Thanksgiving) a Turkey dinner with gravy prepared
from the stock with onions which was pureed. The surprising thing was that
it tasted better than the gravy made with cornstarch/flour/etc. Also, we
have a suasage meat recipe that, along with some almond flour was baked and
had some stock added to it to make a stuffing. It was delicious!! - The
other benefit was that we did not have that "stuffed" feeling afterwards!!

regards,
Partridge's
ALLAN

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:45:19 -0700
From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yougurmet - Yougurt Makers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971125074519.00676e74@mail.planet.eon.net>

Isabella wrote:

>>> Can anyone advise me on which is the best yogurt maker?
>
We also would recommend that one definitely go with the yogurmet II, it
makes excellent yougurt and keeps the temp. consistent. We use plain
yougurt as a starter, ensuring the starter meets SCD requirments. It is a
compact unit and does not need to be fussed with, is easy to clean and
sterilize.

We leave ours 48 hours regardless of manufacturers instructions, while this
may seem excessive to some, it is because Martine has a severe LI and we
just want to make sure all the lactose is coverted as much as possible.


Regards,
Partridge's
ALLAN

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:02:44 -0800
From: Mary <moira@inow.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: pemmican
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971125080021.2737282c@mail.inow.com>

At 08:49 PM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
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>If you are drying meats yourself (perhaps with a good ol' Ronco), there
>should not be a problem as long as the curing mix you use is free of harsh
>chemicals and illegal ingredients. I would, however, be very cautious about
>packaged 'dried' or 'dehydrated' meats as they often contain nasty things.
> Anyone else have details?
>
Excellent point. I was in the butcher shop today and they make their own,
highly touted, jerky and pemmican.

But I looked at the ingredients. Guess what not only was it loaded with
sugar, but also MSG (monosodium glutamate) a known neurotoxin!

It is best and easy to make your own, I add nothing to it! You could add
some dried fruits, I do add a tiny bit of salt.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:41:22 -0800
From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: San Francisco connection
Message-ID: <l03110701b0a111697ac5@[206.40.74.44]>

Hi Mike,

The nut company in SF is Cal. Nut Co. tele. # 415/ 243-0320. Contact
person: Motzi Dorudian. About $86 for 25#. Don't know if they sell it in
smaller lots or not.

I have never used this nut co. Use Hughson Nut Co. which is listed in the
book. Order it at the same price and quantity as Cal Nut. Co.

Re a source for DCCC in the city, I only have an old yellow pages telephone
directory and neither Whole Foods nor Real Foods is listed in the
Grocers-Retail section; however, when you get to SF, just look in the
yellow pages and see if you can find one of these; Whole Foods if you can
find one, would come nearer to having the DCCC I imagine. I know there is
a Real Foods on Sutter Street, going toward downtown away from Van Ness on
the left; nice store.

That's all the help I am able to give you...sorry couldn't do more for you.
Good luck!

Happy Turkey Day,

Prateeksha


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>A while back someone posted the name and address of a place in San Francisco
>where they sell nut flour and dry curd cc. I am going to be in San Francisco
>next week and seeing how I can't find any in Los Angeles, this is a good
>time to stock up. Can anyone is San Francisco help with a name/address
>
>Thnaks
>Mike

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