Re: Test
Re: Becoming a member of the new SCD List
Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Re: Getting out of the "Maelstrom"
Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Re: Getting out of the "Maelstrom"
Re: Test
RE: fruits at meals
Prateeksha's Questions
Chestnut flour
Re: Startup problems -Reply
Re: RAW FROM DIAHREA
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:22:37 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Test
Message-ID: <l03010d01b016bc86120f@[199.171.4.128]>
Dear Bill,
Here's the instructions that I was sent. If you have no luck contact this
person she will definately get you on.
linda kahrs <linda@invision.net>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:43:14 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Becoming a member of the new SCD List
Message-ID: <l03010d03b016bed39c8d@[199.171.4.128]>
>Raw food intolerance - after 2 mos. on the diet, still cannot tolerate raw
>fruits or veggies. Wondering about veggie juice? Like carrot, mixed
>veggies. Seems like that would be a great way to get my veggies, as a
>snack, etc. but would the raw juice have the same effect as raw veggies?
>Fruit? I find my body is still too sensitive for oj, apple juice; but
>grape juice is okay and tomato juice (canned).
I had much better experience with cooked veggies to start than with juiced
veggies. I also found that the yogurt seemed to help me digest things I had
not previously been able to eat.
>There has been some improvement and I have been fanatical about sticking to
>the SCD diet; but I had hoped after I read the book, that things would
>improve a little faster than they have.
Give it some time. Some people respond more quickly than others, and again
I found the yogurt to be a great help in my recovery.
>
>Fatigue - Find I have to eat more often than 3x a day as I now have no
>energy reserves since being on the diet! Anyone else have this? I used to
>be able to go to the gym and have a mild workout, but since being on the
>diet, have not been once -- have to conserve my energy for work, cooking
>this diet, etc.
This is a biggie. I also found that eating 3x a day was much too hard on my
system and I would be totally drained of energy. Eating multiple small
meals throughout the day was a major and beneficial change for me.
>
>Exercise - what do people are on the diet do?
I swim every day and take martial arts 3x a week. Excersizing does wonders,
both physically and emotionally.
>
>Weight Loss - I have lost about 10 pounds since being on the diet (2 mos)
>and my doctor says "no more weight loss!" Down to 112 and 5'3"
and this is
>maybe a part of my fatigue. Maybe my body is still adjusting to change in
>diet, no exercise, etc. Has anyone else lost quite a bit of weight with
>this diet?
Try making your yogurt with 1/2 & 1/2. Its loaded with calories.
>
>I have had to start eating fish and chicken...my body is craving it, after
>25 years of being a vegetarian!
Listen to your body. Its giving you advise on how to sustain it.
>
Lots of good luck,
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:48:06 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Message-ID: <l03010d04b016c1df53a6@[199.171.4.128]>
Dear Ted,
Doctors worry about being sued for giving alternative medicine advise. My
own doctor told me not to go on this diet. After 2 incredible colonoscopies
which showed my restored health. He just said "please continue whatever you
are doing. It is obviously working" His staff has told me that he now even
hesitantly recommends the book. If someone asks him about a "diet" to
treat
IBD, he says he has a patient who has had incredible success on this diet
if they'd like to experiment.
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:50:17 -0600
From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Getting out of the "Maelstrom"
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970813005017.00679be0@mail.planet.eon.net>
Does anyone know the correct proceedure for unsubcribing the
"Maelstrom"
list?? I keep getting mail from the old list.
Incidentally, did you all know that a definition of maelstrom is:
" any destructive, far reaching influence"
regards
Allan
ALLAN
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 19:55:31 CDT
From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Message-ID: <9708130055.AA02590@swansong.amd.com>
dear rachel,
thanks for your response, still new to this, since yesterday my son
had the colonoscopy which confirmed UC, but i am interested in your
comment that you have had to "incredible" coloscopy's since going on
the diet, is UC such that the drugs the doctor gives control the symptoms
but the disease continues it's progress? and in your case, and others
who have used this SCD diet, is it such that the doctor can't tell
(other than scarring perhaps) your colon from a "healthy" colon ?
i feel lucky to have found this diet so early in my son's disease,
the internet is wonderful.
ted
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:14:39 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: SCD DIET (ANY DOCTORS IN TEXAS USING THIS DIET?)
Message-ID: <l03010d05b016c73e96e5@[199.171.4.128]>
Dear Ted,
I hesitate running my "story" too often for fear of boring those that
have
heard it too often but I'm sending it again because I want you to know the
impact that this diet has had on my life;
Truly, passing on information on bowel disease is my way of somehow
"paying back" for my incredible good fortune.
At the time I was finally diagnosed with ulcerative colitis (UC for short),
I'd had several years of severe diahrea, but worse was the urgency with
which I had to reach the nearest bathroom. 8, 10, sometimes 20 times a day.
My bowel movements became more and more laced with blood until sometimes it
seemed there was no stool, only mucus and blood (sorry for the graphics).
About a year before being diagnosed, I went to see a gastroenteroligist who
couldn't find anything wrong, kind of blew me off with, I should try to
have less stress in my life. When I finally was diagnosed, heres what
happened; I've been studying martial arts for about 14 years, and about 10
years ago, I broke my foot in 2 places. Healing seemed prolonged and
difficult. When I went to see the orthopedist, he gave me an
antiinflamitory. Fisrt he asked if I had any stomach problems, I said yes,
so he gave me a mild one. Next day, my stool is black, which I knew was an
indication of internal bleeding (high in the GI tract), so I stopped taking
it right away. The following month when I went back to th Dr., My foot was
a little better. When he asked if the meds helped, I told him what
happened. He said that there was probably no reason for concern, but he
wanted to do a blood count just to sure. PS, he sent me immediately to the
emergency room, where they placed me in ICU for 10 days and did every
concievable test from every orafice to find out where all this blood was
coming from. Seems I had a very dangerously low blood count (below 7, when
normal is over 12). I really didn't feel all that sick, but the doctors
were actually making noises about my not making it through the night.(I
know, this is a very long story) Ok so now I've finally found out what is
wrong with me. They told me that there was no cure for UC except the
removal of the colon. Diet would not help and medication would help
sporadically. They also told me that most people with this disease lose
thier colon to cancer within 7 years of being diagnosed. Great news, huh? I
went along for the next 5 years, always diahrea, sometimes bleeding,
sometimes urgency, and somewhat better than before. About 2 years ago a
patient where I work (I'm an office manager for a dental office) told me
about hearing Elaine on a talk show and about her diet. Well of course I
KNEW that diets don't work for UC. This patient kept bugging me every time
she came in, wanting to know if I'd tried the diet yet. I finally went out
and bought the book, but after reading it decided it would probably kill
me. I hadn't even attempted to digest fruits or veggies for years and this
diet had a lot of that in it. My cousin called as I was finishing the book
and so I told her about it. She told me about a friend of hers with Crohns
who had tried what sounded like the same diet, with major success. I called
the woman and was floored by both the extent of her illness and her success
with the diet and so I decided to give it a shot. All I can tell you is
that it has worked miracles for me. I have to have a yearly colonoscopy
done. Two years ago (oct), my doctor couldn't believe that it was my colon
he was looking at. He said it looked like that of a healthy 18 year olds.
Following my 50th birthday this past Jan., I had another one which was the
duplicate of the previous one. So that's my story. If you have questions
about the diet itself, please let me know. Lots of luck!!
Sincerely, Rachel
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:08 -0400
From: Don Wiss <donwiss @ panix . com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Getting out of the "Maelstrom"
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970812212708.00d167e8@popserver.panix.com>
Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net> wrote:
>Does anyone know the correct proceedure for unsubcribing the
"Maelstrom"
>list?? I keep getting mail from the old list.
I have just deleted you. But for others wishing to unsubscribe, send in the
command SIGNOFF SCD and mail it to LISTSERV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU.
>Incidentally, did you all know that a definition of maelstrom is:
>
> " any destructive, far reaching influence"
We must have different dictionaries. My Merriam-Webster 7th New Collegiate
has: 1: a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a
given radius, 2: something resembling a maelstrom in turbulence : turmoil.
The fellows that run the Maelstrom Listserv at St. Johns thought this was a
good analogy for a listserver that was sucking in mail and sending it back
out. It has some 600 mailing lists with plenty of activity.
Don.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:45:00 -0700
From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Test
Message-ID: <v01550100b0166035c897@[206.40.74.39]>
I'm on the SCD list and you came onto my email! You're on!
Prateeksha
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 20:17:51 MDT
From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD mail list)
Subject: RE: fruits at meals
Message-ID: <9708130217.AA42048@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
Hi Prateeksha,
> Food intolerance - Finding I am still quite limited in vegetables I can
> tolerate. I get diarrhea with eggplant; cramping with green beans, peas,
> asparagus. Cannot combine protein with fruits; have to eat fruits alone
> and even then, get gas and sometimes cramping. Does this change?
When I was on a previous diet a few years ago (not SCD), I was told to
eat fruits in-between meals. I believe my ND said that fruit will start
to ferment in the stomach. So when it sits on top of other foods, like
proteins, this can lead to gas and mal-absorption.
> Fatigue - Find I have to eat more often than 3x a day as I now have no
> energy reserves since being on the diet! Anyone else have this? I used to
> be able to go to the gym and have a mild workout, but since being on the
> diet, have not been once -- have to conserve my energy for work, cooking
> this diet, etc.
I have been on for about two months also. My energy is better and once
the diet kicks in more, I know (from experience) that I will start to
feel like doing exercise, and thus gain some weight. For now you should
let your body use its energy for proper digestion.
Thanks... Dan.
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* Dan Woods The University of Calgary *
* dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 *
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> Side effects of either irritable bowel syndrome or ulcerative colitis - two
> doctors have given different diagnosis! Vertigo;
I've had the vertigo. No fun! As with everything else, mine improves
as my gut heals more and more. That one takes patience. Sometime even
when I'm not getting diarhea from a food, some still make me more tired
than others. Do others find this as well?
>
> Raw food intolerance - after 2 mos. on the diet, still cannot tolerate raw
> fruits or veggies. Wondering about veggie juice? Like carrot, mixed
> veggies. (snip) Fruit?
I believe that cooked stuff will be easier to tolerate. Don't rush it
if you think something will bother you. I find it easier to introduce
something new when I am feeling good and strong. It's better to wait
and feel healthy than have variety to eat but feel bad! (another humble
opinion of mine!)
> Food intolerance - Finding I am still quite limited in vegetables I can
> tolerate. I get diarrhea with eggplant; cramping with green beans, peas,
> asparagus. Cannot combine protein with fruits; have to eat fruits alone
> and even then, get gas and sometimes cramping. Does this change?
In my experience, it does change, will change. Has for me. For
example, I can eat apples now. But peaches and figs make me feel tired
and spacey. Haven't tried bananas. Almonds bother me but not pecans or
cashews. Go figure! :) But in the beginning, I couldn't eat apples.
> Fatigue - Find I have to eat more often than 3x a day as I now have no
> energy reserves since being on the diet! Anyone else have this? I used to
> be able to go to the gym and have a mild workout, but since being on the
> diet, have not been once -- have to conserve my energy for work, cooking
> this diet, etc.
I felt like that during the first few months of the diet. It can be
different things (of course) but first and foremost is that it takes a
lot more calories to heal the body than to just maintain it. So make
sure you really are getting enough food for yourself. When I first
started the diet I found I could eat four times as much as I did
before. In fact, if I didn't, I felt like I was starving. I'd be
curious about other's experience with this one.
>
> Exercise - what do people are on the diet do?
For me, I just stick to walks. Sometimes fast, sometimes slow. But
walking is what I do most consistentley. I used to run, practice
martial arts, yoga, cycling. But now I am happy to have the energy to
just get through the day. I find that my energy level stays pretty
consistent, will go donw if I've eat something that irrititates my gut
or if I've eaten too much. This one does get better!
>
> Weight Loss - I have lost about 10 pounds since being on the diet (2 mos)
> and my doctor says "no more weight loss!" Down to 112 and
5'3" and this is
> maybe a part of my fatigue. Maybe my body is still adjusting to change in
> diet, no exercise, etc. Has anyone else lost quite a bit of weight with
> this diet?
I lost weight but then it leveled out again. Try to eat,eat, eat! Eat
higher calorie foods like avocado if you can handle it. Eat the skin of
the chicken, etc. It takes practice, but you can get enough calories on
this diet, so don't think weight loss is a given.
> I have had to start eating fish and chicken...my body is craving it, after
> 25 years of being a vegetarian!
I had that too. It wasn't that I was a vegetarian, but, man, can I pack
the protein foods away these days! I figure my body is craving them for
a reason, most likely repair of damaged tissue (yay!).
Regarding Progesterone, I for one was on natural progesterone for two
years! So I have a little understanding of it. Out of curiosity, which
pharmacy produces the natural progesterone you are on? Mine was
ApotheCure out of Dallas, Texas. (I could give you their phone number
if you want it.) I used to take capsules, then switched to a sublingual
(under the tongue) liquid. By the way, I am off of it now, weened
myself off slowly since last November and stopped this June. My need
for it decreased as my gut healed.
I don't know about the starch in it, but perhaps you could get a
sublingual liquid like I did. I am fairly sure there is no starch in
it. However, regarding the wild yam extract -- I personally would not
worry about the starch factor as it is doubtful that any remains. They
must break it down to the actual chemicals of progesterone so it is no
longer "starch." But the filler they use in the capsules, I'm not sure
about that. Anyway, for what it's worth, those are my humble opinions
on the progesterone!
I did not notice an aggravation in symptoms while I was on the
progesterone. But everyone is different.
Hope these experiences of mine as well as the humble opinions help you
out. Don't be afraid of asking too many questions. This is the place
for them! Glad you made it to the list!
Denise
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:27:32 +0200
From: "Svend-Aage Andersen" <sv-aage@post3.tele.dk>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Chestnut flour
Message-ID: <19970813062631.AAA24430@warfactory>
Hi everyone
Does anybody knows anything about chestnut flour. Is it allowed to use it
in the SCD diet? If yes - does anyone have recipes on bread or cakes ect.?
Thanks Yvonne
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:53:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jmrsy@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Startup problems -Reply
Message-ID: <970813135254_1579831197@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Liz,
My son has fought off a flare two times by consuming nothing but clear
liquids for a day, (apple juice is his standby) and then being very careful
what he eats for a few more days. He's been on the diet 13 months.
Hope you've found something that works for you by now.
Sharon
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 13:09:07 CDT
From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: RAW FROM DIAHREA
Message-ID: <9708131809.AA02653@swansong.amd.com>
hello,
what helps with the rawness that comes from seemingly endless
diahrea ?
ted
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:05:11 -0500
From: "Eric Abergel" <eaberg@PO-Box.McGill.CA>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: RAW FROM DIAHREA
Message-ID: <199708131900.PAA25773@chinook.CC.McGill.CA>
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> hello,
>
> what helps with the rawness that comes from seemingly endless
> diahrea ?
>
> ted
>
>
I have found relief with a product called Desitin, made for diaper
rash. It's 37% zinc oxide, 13.56% cod liver oil.
It smells strongly of fish, but it is very soothing
Eric
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