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SCD-list Wed, 3 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 28
In this issue:
Hi everyone!
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Regular strength coffee
Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Asacol: NOVA 5-ASA
depression
Re: depression
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Regular strength coffee
Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Re: depression
Re: depression
Re: Yohurt tip
RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
double decker yogurt
coffee
Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
vinegar or lemon juice with baking soda
Chewing Gum/Breath Mints
RE: depression
RE: Regular strength coffee
RE: Asacol & Meds on SCD
RE: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
RE: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
RE: Asacol & Meds on SCD
RE: depression
RE: Regular strength coffee
Re: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
Re: depression
Sleep and Brain fog (was: Regular strength coffee)
Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Re: depression
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:20:05 -0500
From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com>
To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Hi everyone!
Message-ID: <199709030021.UAA22778@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
I have been eating these great fried up foods, hope you guys have a taste
for them. Just like the Turnip Fries, cut up either Zucchini or Eggplant
just like the size of fries and fry them in olive oil and then salt and
eat! Enjoy!
Jim
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:31:25 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <l03010d00b0326a947c25@[199.171.4.155]>
Dear Prateeksha
I don't know anything about the double decker system. I'd bought a Salton
yogurt maker when I first started the diet and sold it at my last garage
sale because I wasn't crazy about the yogurt it produced. I use a light
bulb in my oven with a pen to prop the door open to let out excess heat. I
boil the 1/2 & 1/2 (3 quarts) in my farberware pot and after I've added the
starter I just stick the same pot, covered, in my oven. Makes great yogurt.
Yes, I'm basically true to the diet, but in the last couple of months I've
cheated just a little ( a spoon of this, a taste of that).It hasn't made me
ill but I think that the diet is so ingrained in me that I'm terrified that
it might. I still haven't touched most of the biggies (pasta, potatoes,
rice) and frankly the diet has enough in it to keep me satisfied. I've
heard from other people who'd been on the diet successfully for a couple of
years, gone off and become ill. In fact as I'm writing this, I'm thinking
I'm gonna stay away from temptations before I get into trouble. Thanks for
making me look at the situation.
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:46:49 +0000
From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Regular strength coffee
Message-ID: <340C6D29.FB7@emory.edu>
Rosset wrote:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> SCD MAILING LIST
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----------
> > From: EllenAdams@aol.com
> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> > Subject: 1 Week Progress Report
> > Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 6:42 AM
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > SCD MAILING LIST
> Ellen wrote:
>
> > The one area I've strayed intentionally is that the diet allows only
> "weak"
> > coffee. I still make my normal coffee in the morning and drink 2 or 3
> cups
> > of it. This ritual has always been important for motivating my bowels in
> the
> > morning and therefore having my body be comfortable during the day.
> Cutting
> > that out along with everything else seemed like too drastic a change for
> my
> > system, and unnecessary since I don't have diareaha. I don't drink
> coffee
> > any other time of the day though.
> >
> Dear Ellen,
>
> I doubt that Elaine requires that the coffee be very weak just to give us
> coffee lovers a bad time. My concern with drinking regular strength coffee
> is that besides propelling the contents of the colon forward, it most
> likely moves the contents of
> your small intestine forward also. If the enzymes in the small intestine
> haven't finished doing their job, then undigested food could be feeding the
> bacteria and yeast in the colon.
> There are probably other reasons for restricting strong coffee intake. I'm
> guessing it might irritate the lining of the intestine.
> Hopefully, getting off of a high starch diet will correct your morning
> slugishness, and you won't be "needing" the coffee.
> With the addictive quality of caffeine I know it's hard it is to kick the
> habit, but it is necessary, to truly be on the diet. I find I'm better off
> just staying away from it, because it seems like as with most addictive
> substances, a little eventually leads to more (weak to stronger). At least
> that was my experience.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> Lucy
>
> PS. Of course if you can manage to stick to truly very weak coffee, there
> should be no problem. The way I deal with it is to have it on rare
> occasions, rather than make it a daily routine. That way the strength has
> less of a chance of sneaking up on me.
I have found that coffee, even weak, still gives me trouble, and I've been on the
diet over 1 1/2 years! I can't seem to stay away from it, since it stimulates my
mind out of the fog it often finds itself. I wish there were an alternative. More
sleep, I know. But that is a bit of a stretch at the moment, as I prepare for grad.
school, coach soccer, and work full time with a second job! I think I should just
accept it. Coffee dosen't work on the diet for me.
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:33:49 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Message-ID: <340CBE7D.7510@pacbell.net>
Ellen,
Great to hear you are one-weak-and-going-strong on the diet. I've found
that once you get used to it, there is really quite a lot to eat and
quite a variety, at that. Regarding your question about changes in
bowel symptoms, I too found that mine changed a lot over the course of
being on the diet. I went from diarrhea or loose, frequent stool for
six or more years (I've lost count) to, within the first couple months
on the diet I became constipated and had to use psyllium (1/4 tsp. twice
a day in a glass of water). That also helped with a sticky stool
problem I have had off and on. After six months on the SCD though, my
stool is quite "normal," although it tends to fall apart in the toilet.
Sorry for the graphic details, this stuff never would have interested me
in my pre-health problem days. What I understand is that as our guts
heal, they go through various changes in absorbing water from the stool,
sometimes too much, sometimes not enough. This seems to resolve itself
over time. I wonder what other's could add to this with personal
experience stories and would be glad to hear them.
I am curious, if you have never had trouble with diarrhea, how did your
doctor think to check you for Crohns? I had diarrhea for six years and
I never got a doctor to take my condition seriously. Even when I did
find a doctor who took me seriously, they never considered my condition
serious enough to warrant a colonoscopy or anything. So, I'm curious
how you got your diagnosis. My mom has Crohns and she didn't have
diarrhea either, but she did, at some point, have blood in her stool,
which alerted her physician.
Good luck with the diet.
Denise
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 05:53:47 -0400
From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Asacol: NOVA 5-ASA
Message-ID: <340D33AB.DD36E91E@bedford.net>
The original article is on my other computer, but to pharaprase:
A non-latose alternative to ASACOL is NOVA 5-ASA by a Novapharm
Ltm.
Reported doing well on it.
I checked with my pharamist and he can't order it. He thinks it is
unavailable in the US because of patents and such. Novapharm is a
Canadian company. If you live outside the US, you may be able to get
it.
Bill
miller@bedford.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:28:47 -0500
From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com>
To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: depression
Message-ID: <199709031229.IAA28777@brickbat9.mindspring.com>
How are all you guy's? Me I am still very healthy on this wonderful diet,
but I noticed in the past few weeks I have been getting really depressed.
I don't know why? Maybe it has alot to do with my business or maybe
because I am not on good terms with part of my family? I am wondering if
it is because I am malnourished in some sort of way? I am taking vitamins,
multiples, antioxidants and even Ginkgo. I am wondering do you guy's get
these really bad depressed moods?
Thanks, Jim
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:13:09 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <l03010d00b0331d5d2835@[199.171.4.137]>
Dear Jim,
I think it would be virtually impossible to have a chronic illness and not
become occasionally overcome & depressed. I've found that my depression
does not always strike when things are going badly,but rather when they
have calmed down. Life with it's normal fluxes of highs and lows (and
family squabbles) is hard enough to deal with, but the addition of a
diseased colon running your life, even when it's healthy but you have the
additional stress of keeping it that way, can sometimes be just too much to
bear. In my experience, having a stressfull job, a couple of hardheaded
adult children, juggling relationships, even doing the stuff you love, is
all hard work and there are days I'd much rather pull the cover up over my
head and escape into myself, but I don't let that black cloud of depression
win. I get up, force myself to excersize, to work and to deal with the
challenges called life. You happened to catch me at a time when I'm having
a problem with a co-worker, my daughter is talking about moving to the
other side of the USA, my arthritis hurts, and I'm going through menopause.
Writing my thoughts out to you has helped. I'm going to finish getting
dressed, go take my karate class, go to work, come home to my loving, and
oh so patient husband, and pray for a good nights sleep. Tomorrow's another
day, new battles to win, and gratitudes to recognize.
Rachel
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 08:17:25 PDT
From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com>
To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822>
Bill wrote:
> So wait a minute - when you say room temperature, do you mean 70 F or so?
> I figured that my yogurt maker would take at least 4-6 hours to bring the
> mixuture back up to temp, so I add the starter at 100-110 F.
>
I have had the same experience. Once, I added the yogurt (I don't use
culture) when the milk was still a little warm, not hot. The mixture
curdled and the result was not as good-tasting or creamy. Now I add the
yogurt to cool milk. It does take longer for the mixture to get back to
the 100-110 degree range, but the result is much better.
Kim
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Regular strength coffee
Message-ID: <970903094405_52277416@emout06.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 01:35:01 EDT, you write:
<< Hopefully, getting off of a high starch diet will correct your morning
slugishness, and you won't be "needing" the coffee.
With the addictive quality of caffeine I know it's hard it is to kick the
habit, but it is necessary, to truly be on the diet. >>
Thanks for your insights and I think you make some interesting points. I
hadn't thought of the details of how it might affect the intestines. I will
probably give it up at some point--especially if I can wake up feeling good!
Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, only
stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep more
after about 6 hours). Different medications have different affects but none
seems to work for more than two days (my body adjusts too quickly), and all
of them make a me zombie in the mornings! Between that and keeping my
insides on their schedule, I'm still going to leave it in for now. I'll give
my body some time to adjust to the change in diet before I take away this
last crutch. I am hoping that giving up the sugar and starch will help my
sleep problems and hopefully improve my energy. I am encouraged though
because after 1 week it seems to have really improved the pain from my
insides and made them quieter and calmer overall.
Ellen
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:05:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Message-ID: <970903100440_572989359@emout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 03:23:04 EDT, you write:
<< I am curious, if you have never had trouble with diarrhea, how did your
doctor think to check you for Crohns? >>
It wasn't easy to get there! It took 4 months to diagnose me. First I lost
20 pounds for no reason but wasn't too concerned about that--after all I felt
fine. Then, the pain started. I had agonizing lower abdominal pain as my
primary symptom. I walked bent forward a bit from the pain. Sometimes it
would surprise me and my knees would go out from under me. I started with my
GYN. He tested everything and even did a laprascopic exam--nothing. I went
to a GI who said "female problems" and wouldn't talk to my GYN doc. I had a
barium enema which showed nothing. I went to an internal medicine specialist
and told him we only had a week left to figure this out before I would be on
leave without pay. It was a process of elimination and a very rough week! I
think we ran 10 different tests. At the end of the week the upper GI with
small bowel follow through showed the classic narrowing. They repeated it to
be sure. They never figured out why the lower GI, which showed the same
area, didn't show the problem only two weeks before. Then I had a
colonoscopy with biopsy and that confirmed it. Later, I had an endoscopy
that showed I also had it in my stomach. I've been slowly improving over the
last 2.5 years but never achieved remission. My doctor says I'm permanently
partially disabled from work. Recently I realized that my body aches and
exhaustion had actually gotten worse even though my insides were feeling
better. This gave me the clue that perhaps all my symptoms weren't from the
crohns and that's how I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia. I'm hoping that we
have now identified the full cast of players. I'm still working with my
rheumatologist to get the fibromyalgia under control, and using SCD to help
the crohns. I'm hoping that the combination will get me to remission.
I hope this is useful to you.
Ellen
PS. I left out all the times I ended up ranting and raving and making a
scene in order to get the doctors to take my pain seriously and pursue a real
diagnosis and treatment. One doctor actually told me that the reason he
hadn't taken me seriously was because I was well put together and well spoken
when he saw me. It was hard for him to understand that this is a part of who
I am, and doesn't mean I'm not in pain!
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <970903101507_572989362@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 08:30:27 EDT, you write:
<< I am wondering do you guy's get
these really bad depressed moods? >>
Jim,
I was wondering about this too. I've only been on the diet for a week and I
got a real sudden mood swing the other night. Depressed, crying. Then the
next day I felt about the same! (I figured a night's sleep would solve it but
it didn't) It's very unusual for me so it made me wonder. I figured it was
from not getting enough sleep, but then wondered if giving up sugar might
cause some emotional instability as the body adjusts.
Anyone else recognize this?
Ellen
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:52:00 -0400
From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <340D798F.5D92C76@bedford.net>
Some history: I have UC. About 6 months ago, I started the diet with
excellent results. I followed the startup diet to the "T" and had
immediate results -- I began tapering off pred on the second day. After
about 6 weeks, I slipped, and had a flare up after about 2 months.
I restarted the diet 9 days ago. Everything seemed to be going well --
1 bm per day, no blood (I have UC) and then on the fourth day I started
to have d, lots of bleeding, pain and felt extremely depressed. I
suffered 2 days like that, and on Monday I dropped the diet, eating
eggs, potatoes, tortilla chips, orange juice, and bacon for breakfast.
I immediately felt better, and with the addition of sweet potatoes and
rice to my diet, I've been doing pretty well emotionally, bleeding has
slowed, by the d is still a problem.
One thing that I wasn't able to use on the startup diet is the grape
juice and honey. Both were causing a reaction (I think I have a bad
case of candida), so I was stuck just eating meat, eggs and yogurt. I
don't think that this is sufficient nutrition and I think I had a
ketosis (basically put -- too much protein) problem.
I'm not sure, Kim, if ketosis is what is going on with you, but I'd bet
the lack of carbs is playing a role. If the depression is unbearable
(mine was) then I'd consider getting checked out by a doctor or stopping
the diet.
For myself, I'm a little wary of starting the diet again without grape
juice and honey. So for now I'm treating the candida with a typical
candida diet and following a regimen suggested by someone on the
maelstrom SCD list as a anti-imflamatory diet.
Anyone know the typical symptoms of ketosis? Is there a urine test?
Bill
miller@bedford.net
EllenAdams@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-09-03 08:30:27 EDT, you write:
>
> << I am wondering do you guy's get
> these really bad depressed moods? >>
>
> Jim,
>
> I was wondering about this too. I've only been on the diet for a week
> and I
> got a real sudden mood swing the other night. Depressed, crying.
> Then the
> next day I felt about the same! (I figured a night's sleep would solve
> it but
> it didn't) It's very unusual for me so it made me wonder. I figured
> it was
> from not getting enough sleep, but then wondered if giving up sugar
> might
> cause some emotional instability as the body adjusts.
>
> Anyone else recognize this?
>
> Ellen
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:41:29 -0700
From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <v01550100b032d29044fb@[206.40.74.33]>
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>Dear Rachel,
Thanks for your reply. Is your oven electric or gas? I know that the
pilot light in a gas oven is used for making yogurt; but would just the
light bulb in an electric oven be enough? Duhhhhh.
Why do you use starter instead of commercial yogurt?
Sounds like we're all going to be on this diet for the "duration." Hmmmm.
We'd all better get reaaaal creative with these recipes!!!!
Thanks, Prateeksha
>I don't know anything about the double decker system. I'd bought a Salton
>yogurt maker when I first started the diet and sold it at my last garage
>sale because I wasn't crazy about the yogurt it produced. I use a light
>bulb in my oven with a pen to prop the door open to let out excess heat. I
>boil the 1/2 & 1/2 (3 quarts) in my farberware pot and after I've added the
>starter I just stick the same pot, covered, in my oven. Makes great yogurt.
>Yes, I'm basically true to the diet, but in the last couple of months I've
>cheated just a little ( a spoon of this, a taste of that).It hasn't made me
>ill but I think that the diet is so ingrained in me that I'm terrified that
>it might. I still haven't touched most of the biggies (pasta, potatoes,
>rice) and frankly the diet has enough in it to keep me satisfied. I've
>heard from other people who'd been on the diet successfully for a couple of
>years, gone off and become ill. In fact as I'm writing this, I'm thinking
>I'm gonna stay away from temptations before I get into trouble. Thanks for
>making me look at the situation.
>Rachel
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 13:30:04 -0400
From: Jaye Whitmire <jaye@mindspring.com>
To: SCD-list <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
Message-ID: <340D9E9C.82A90E3E@mindspring.com>
RE:Asacol
I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it and
am now wondering which of my other meds has lactose, starch or sugar in
them. Does anyone know of a source online that I could go to in order to
check?
I also stopped my Questran because it contains Nutrasweet & sucrose. I
am now
wondering about my gelcap Rx's like Imodium,Prilosec,etc.
Where can I find out what's okay to take? I currently have my pharmacist
looking up all the package inserts to see listed inert ingredients, but
it's going to take her until Friday at the earliest to get back to me.
I am on my second day of the diet and the only thing I've taken is
lomotil & reglan.
RE:reaction to Asacol
After numerous tries at upping the dose, I've found I can only tolerate
5/day. If I go up to 6, I get increased diarrhea. Maybe some of you
should try a lower dose since it is very beneficial to small bowel
disease.
Thanks
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:46:03 -0400
From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
Message-ID: <85256507.0060D6EF.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com>
I too have been on Asacol and am also lactose intolerant. I stopped taking
Asacol about a year ago and have not been taking anything since then.
However, I am experiencing a flare-up as we speak and have decided to make
an appointment with a new gastro doctor in the hopes that he may suggest an
alternative method of treatment. My brother was also diagnosed with
Crohn's some 20 years ago and his doctor prescribed him prednisone. He
remained on prednisone for about 2 years. After being weened off of this
drug, my brother has been living symptom free for the past 16 years.
Has anyone else had problems with Asacol? It just doesn't seem to be
working for me!!!!! Would love to hear from anyone.
Keep up the good spirits.
jaye @ mindspring.com
Wednesday September 3, 1997 01:30 PM
Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com
To: SCD-list @ longisland.com
cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential)
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
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RE:Asacol
I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it and
am now wondering which of my other meds has lactose, starch or sugar in
them. Does anyone know of a source online that I could go to in order to
check?
I also stopped my Questran because it contains Nutrasweet & sucrose. I
am now
wondering about my gelcap Rx's like Imodium,Prilosec,etc.
Where can I find out what's okay to take? I currently have my pharmacist
looking up all the package inserts to see listed inert ingredients, but
it's going to take her until Friday at the earliest to get back to me.
I am on my second day of the diet and the only thing I've taken is
lomotil & reglan.
RE:reaction to Asacol
After numerous tries at upping the dose, I've found I can only tolerate
5/day. If I go up to 6, I get increased diarrhea. Maybe some of you
should try a lower dose since it is very beneficial to small bowel
disease.
Thanks
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:42:28 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: double decker yogurt
Message-ID: <7528421003091997/A02491/VANHQ1/11B91AAA1B00*@MHS>
>Do you think it would work to "double decker" the yogurt making? That is,
>to buy extra jars and just set them on top of the ones in the yogurt maker;
>place a towel over all to hold in the heat and let it hum away for 24-36
>hours?
Unfortunately, it likely won't work. I tried it once when I had prepared just
a little too much milk to make the yogurt. My yogurt mixture filled up 8 jars
and my yogurt machine only holds 7. So I put one on top and cozied the whole
thing with a towel like I do with sour cream making. The bottom layer of 7
turned out fine, but the top one was all curdled and disgusting. I threw it
out. I believe that the temperature on the top decker is too low to incubate
yogurt. It works for sour cream perfectly because the culture used for it is
supposed to ferment at this much lower temperature. This has been my
experience.
Anna
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:53:03 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: coffee
Message-ID: <8803531003091997/A02595/VANHQ1/11B91AB50300*@MHS>
Keep in mind that coffee is a laxitive. I love it but I gave it up. I gave it
up because it interferes with homeopathic remedies. Andrew Weil has a recent
book with a section on preventive maintenance. I forget the exact name of the
book but I think it's Natural Healing or something. I'll look it up and post
it later. Anyway, if you read the section he has on coffee, you would likely
be inspired to try to cut back or stop drinking it. I did. And I was a major
coffee lover. I actually photocopied the section a dozen or so times and
distributed a copy to several of my co-workers and friends whenever the topic
of coffee came up (which is every day of course, at "coffee-time" as we call
our breaks). I don't know if I inspired anyone to cut back on coffee, but at
least they know the hazards and what it is doing to their bodies.
Anna
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:10:49 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
Message-ID: <0749101103091997/A02741/VANHQ1/11B91ACA3000*@MHS>
> Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
>fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
>medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, only
>stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep more
>after about 6 hours). Different medications have different affects but none
>seems to work for more than two days (my body adjusts too quickly), and all
>of them make a me zombie in the mornings!
Ellen,
My friend has CD and FM and she found success using Melatonin to sleep. If you
are going to try it, it's important to find a good pharmaceutical quality pill
and experiment with dosage, starting out with 1 mg or less. Increase gradually
to find the dose that works best for you. If you are interested in this, get
Ray Sahlien's book on Melatonin. It is an easy read and so informative. He
also has a book on DHEA.
I tried amitryptiline and had very bad effects. My Gastroenterologist gave it
to me after I complained of FM-like symptoms. He called it Affective Spectrum
Disorder. Good luck on finding info on that one. It's basically a label for
people who have symptoms that they can't explain. It turned out that what I
had was simply Crohn's Arthritis, because it comes and goes. Lately it's been
gone for quite a while, knock on wood, and thank goodness. Anyway, I tried
Melatonin and would take it and get to sleep in 20 minutes and wake up with no
fuzziness. The Amytryptiline, etc did not help, but made me worse. My friend
with FM found the same thing. For all I know, you may already have tried it.
Just thought I'd pass on some possibly helpful info.
Anna
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:23:38 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: vinegar or lemon juice with baking soda
Message-ID: <0538231103091997/A02799/VANHQ1/11B91AD72500*@MHS>
Ellen,
I enjoyed your Joy of Cooking references. I myself had looked these up in the
past too and found them very educational and helpful. I did not know any of
that before. Another tip I found is to add a couple teaspoons of vinegar or
lemon juice to baked goods where baking soda is used. That's if you're not
adding yogurt. Yogurt is sufficient on it's own too, like you said.
Anna
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:15:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Chewing Gum/Breath Mints
Message-ID: <199709031915.OAA19061@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se>
Hi, are there any chewing gums and/or breath mints allowed on
the SCD diet?
Inquiring minds want to know..
Thanks,
Liz
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:59:23 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: depression
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From: EllenAdams@aol.com[SMTP:EllenAdams@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 3:16 AM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
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In a message dated 97-09-03 08:30:27 EDT, you write:
<< I am wondering do you guy's get
these really bad depressed moods? >>
Jim,
I was wondering about this too. I've only been on the diet for a week =
and I
got a real sudden mood swing the other night. Depressed, crying. Then =
the
next day I felt about the same! (I figured a night's sleep would solve =
it but
it didn't) It's very unusual for me so it made me wonder. I figured =
it was
from not getting enough sleep, but then wondered if giving up sugar =
might
cause some emotional instability as the body adjusts.
Anyone else recognize this?
Ellen
Hi Ellen and Jim,
I've been on the diet for a month and a half and I've actually been =
feeling better, mood wise. I was never prone to depression before I went =
on the diet and I haven't had any depression spells since I went on the =
diet. I figure my moods were uplifted when my gut started feeling =
better.
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:31:07 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Regular strength coffee
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From: Matthew Cirillo[SMTP:mcirill@emory.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 12:46 PM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Regular strength coffee
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rosset wrote:
>=20
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> SCD MAILING LIST
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> ----------
> > From: EllenAdams@aol.com
> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> > Subject: 1 Week Progress Report
> > Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 6:42 AM
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > SCD MAILING LIST
> Ellen wrote:
>=20
> > The one area I've strayed intentionally is that the diet allows only
> "weak"
> > coffee. I still make my normal coffee in the morning and drink 2 or =
3
> cups
> > of it. This ritual has always been important for motivating my =
bowels in
> the
> > morning and therefore having my body be comfortable during the day.
> Cutting
> > that out along with everything else seemed like too drastic a change =
for
> my
> > system, and unnecessary since I don't have diareaha. I don't drink
> coffee
> > any other time of the day though.
> >
> Dear Ellen,
>=20
> I doubt that Elaine requires that the coffee be very weak just to give =
us
> coffee lovers a bad time. My concern with drinking regular strength =
coffee
> is that besides propelling the contents of the colon forward, it most
> likely moves the contents of
> your small intestine forward also. If the enzymes in the small =
intestine
> haven't finished doing their job, then undigested food could be =
feeding the
> bacteria and yeast in the colon.
> There are probably other reasons for restricting strong coffee intake. =
I'm
> guessing it might irritate the lining of the intestine.
> Hopefully, getting off of a high starch diet will correct your morning
> slugishness, and you won't be "needing" the coffee.
> With the addictive quality of caffeine I know it's hard it is to kick =
the
> habit, but it is necessary, to truly be on the diet. I find I'm better =
off
> just staying away from it, because it seems like as with most =
addictive
> substances, a little eventually leads to more (weak to stronger). At =
least
> that was my experience.
>=20
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> Lucy
>=20
> PS. Of course if you can manage to stick to truly very weak coffee, =
there
> should be no problem. The way I deal with it is to have it on rare
> occasions, rather than make it a daily routine. That way the strength =
has
> less of a chance of sneaking up on me.
I have found that coffee, even weak, still gives me trouble, and I've =
been on the=20
diet over 1 1/2 years! I can't seem to stay away from it, since it =
stimulates my=20
mind out of the fog it often finds itself. I wish there were an =
alternative. More=20
sleep, I know. But that is a bit of a stretch at the moment, as I =
prepare for grad.=20
school, coach soccer, and work full time with a second job! I think I =
should just=20
accept it. Coffee dosen't work on the diet for me.
Hi Ellen,
I finally got off the coffee about a month ago, however I did cheat and =
have one cup of coffee a couple of days ago with no problem. For me, it =
was best that I got off the stuff because I would have trouble after two =
or three cups.
My coffee habit lasted for about 20 years. I consumed anywhere from a =
quart to a gallon a day. The habit was so strong that I didn't care what =
coffee tasted like. I use to identify with an old saying from Louis =
Lamore (a famous western novelist) "Coffee is perfect when it can float =
a horse shoe." I was really hooked.
Breaking the habit was tough, but with determination, I made it. I =
needed coffee before going on the SCD because I always felt sluggish =
without the caffeine. But after I'd been on the diet for three weeks, I =
found that my energy was getting stronger so I decided to make a break =
with my caffeinated beverage of choice. I had a caffeine withdrawal =
headache for two days, but then I was fine. The longer I went without =
the coffee, the more I decided that I didn't need it. Now an occasional =
cup every one or two weeks is fine, but sometimes I'll only finish 1/2 a =
cup and I'll dump the rest.
I read somewhere that if you can sustain a change in one of your habits =
for twenty-one straight days, that the change will become your new =
habit. For me this concept works.
Take care,
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:45:35 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Asacol & Meds on SCD
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From: Lynn Karakashian[SMTP:lynn.karakashian@prudential.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 10:46 AM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I too have been on Asacol and am also lactose intolerant. I stopped =
taking
Asacol about a year ago and have not been taking anything since then.
However, I am experiencing a flare-up as we speak and have decided to =
make
an appointment with a new gastro doctor in the hopes that he may suggest =
an
alternative method of treatment. My brother was also diagnosed with
Crohn's some 20 years ago and his doctor prescribed him prednisone. He
remained on prednisone for about 2 years. After being weened off of =
this
drug, my brother has been living symptom free for the past 16 years.
Has anyone else had problems with Asacol? It just doesn't seem to be
working for me!!!!! Would love to hear from anyone.
Keep up the good spirits.
=20
=20
jaye @ mindspring.com =20
Wednesday September 3, 1997 01:30 PM =20
=20
Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com
To: SCD-list @ longisland.com
cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential)
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
RE:Asacol
I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it and
am now wondering which of my other meds has lactose, starch or sugar in
them. Does anyone know of a source online that I could go to in order to
check?
I also stopped my Questran because it contains Nutrasweet & sucrose. I
am now
wondering about my gelcap Rx's like Imodium,Prilosec,etc.
Where can I find out what's okay to take? I currently have my pharmacist
looking up all the package inserts to see listed inert ingredients, but
it's going to take her until Friday at the earliest to get back to me.
I am on my second day of the diet and the only thing I've taken is
lomotil & reglan.
RE:reaction to Asacol
After numerous tries at upping the dose, I've found I can only tolerate
5/day. If I go up to 6, I get increased diarrhea. Maybe some of you
should try a lower dose since it is very beneficial to small bowel
disease.
Thanks
Debbie
Hi Lynn,
I could never take asacol. I tried three times and had nothing but =
problems. I also never had to take predisone. However, azufidine has =
worked for me for the last three years. My dose was two 500mg four times =
a day. Every time I reduced the amount I started having trouble. But, =
about two weeks a go I change my dosage to 1 tablet four times a day and =
I'm still doing fine. I've been on the diet for a month and a half.
If you want to take asacol, I've read some postings that say taking =
lactaide with the asacol seems to help.
Glenn=20
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:55:33 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
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From: ACB[SMTP:benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:10 PM
To: scdlist2
Subject: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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-------------------------------------------------------------------
> Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
>fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
>medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, =
only
>stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep =
more
>after about 6 hours). Different medications have different affects but =
none
>seems to work for more than two days (my body adjusts too quickly), and =
all
>of them make a me zombie in the mornings!
Ellen,
My friend has CD and FM and she found success using Melatonin to sleep. =
If you
are going to try it, it's important to find a good pharmaceutical =
quality pill
and experiment with dosage, starting out with 1 mg or less. Increase =
gradually
to find the dose that works best for you. If you are interested in =
this, get
Ray Sahlien's book on Melatonin. It is an easy read and so informative. =
He
also has a book on DHEA.
I tried amitryptiline and had very bad effects. My Gastroenterologist =
gave it
to me after I complained of FM-like symptoms. He called it Affective =
Spectrum
Disorder. Good luck on finding info on that one. It's basically a =
label for
people who have symptoms that they can't explain. It turned out that =
what I
had was simply Crohn's Arthritis, because it comes and goes. Lately =
it's been
gone for quite a while, knock on wood, and thank goodness. Anyway, I =
tried
Melatonin and would take it and get to sleep in 20 minutes and wake up =
with no
fuzziness. The Amytryptiline, etc did not help, but made me worse. My =
friend
with FM found the same thing. For all I know, you may already have =
tried it.=20
Just thought I'd pass on some possibly helpful info.
Anna
Ellen,
I'm often cursed with insomnia. Frequently, I take 3mg of melatonin when =
I can't get to sleep and it usually helps. I've been taking melatonin =
for a year and have never had problems or negative side effects.
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:05:51 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
Message-ID: <01BCB86A.21FCEFC0@ppp46mer.cyberlynk.com>
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From: Glenn L. Rung[SMTP:backpack@CYBERLYNK.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:55 PM
To: 'SCD-list@longisland.com'
Subject: RE: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
----------
From: ACB[SMTP:benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:10 PM
To: scdlist2
Subject: Melatonin instead of Amytryptiline and the like.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
> Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
>fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
>medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, =
only
>stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep =
more
>after about 6 hours). Different medications have different affects but =
none
>seems to work for more than two days (my body adjusts too quickly), and =
all
>of them make a me zombie in the mornings!
Ellen,
My friend has CD and FM and she found success using Melatonin to sleep. =
If you
are going to try it, it's important to find a good pharmaceutical =
quality pill
and experiment with dosage, starting out with 1 mg or less. Increase =
gradually
to find the dose that works best for you. If you are interested in =
this, get
Ray Sahlien's book on Melatonin. It is an easy read and so informative. =
He
also has a book on DHEA.
I tried amitryptiline and had very bad effects. My Gastroenterologist =
gave it
to me after I complained of FM-like symptoms. He called it Affective =
Spectrum
Disorder. Good luck on finding info on that one. It's basically a =
label for
people who have symptoms that they can't explain. It turned out that =
what I
had was simply Crohn's Arthritis, because it comes and goes. Lately =
it's been
gone for quite a while, knock on wood, and thank goodness. Anyway, I =
tried
Melatonin and would take it and get to sleep in 20 minutes and wake up =
with no
fuzziness. The Amytryptiline, etc did not help, but made me worse. My =
friend
with FM found the same thing. For all I know, you may already have =
tried it.=20
Just thought I'd pass on some possibly helpful info.
Anna
Ellen,
I'm often cursed with insomnia. Frequently, I take 3mg of melatonin when =
I can't get to sleep and it usually helps. I've been taking melatonin =
for a year and have never had problems or negative side effects.
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:06:41 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Asacol & Meds on SCD
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From: Glenn L. Rung[SMTP:backpack@CYBERLYNK.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:45 PM
To: 'SCD-list@longisland.com'
Subject: RE: Asacol & Meds on SCD
----------
From: Lynn Karakashian[SMTP:lynn.karakashian@prudential.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 10:46 AM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I too have been on Asacol and am also lactose intolerant. I stopped =
taking
Asacol about a year ago and have not been taking anything since then.
However, I am experiencing a flare-up as we speak and have decided to =
make
an appointment with a new gastro doctor in the hopes that he may suggest =
an
alternative method of treatment. My brother was also diagnosed with
Crohn's some 20 years ago and his doctor prescribed him prednisone. He
remained on prednisone for about 2 years. After being weened off of =
this
drug, my brother has been living symptom free for the past 16 years.
Has anyone else had problems with Asacol? It just doesn't seem to be
working for me!!!!! Would love to hear from anyone.
Keep up the good spirits.
=20
=20
jaye @ mindspring.com =20
Wednesday September 3, 1997 01:30 PM =20
=20
Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com
To: SCD-list @ longisland.com
cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential)
Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
RE:Asacol
I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it and
am now wondering which of my other meds has lactose, starch or sugar in
them. Does anyone know of a source online that I could go to in order to
check?
I also stopped my Questran because it contains Nutrasweet & sucrose. I
am now
wondering about my gelcap Rx's like Imodium,Prilosec,etc.
Where can I find out what's okay to take? I currently have my pharmacist
looking up all the package inserts to see listed inert ingredients, but
it's going to take her until Friday at the earliest to get back to me.
I am on my second day of the diet and the only thing I've taken is
lomotil & reglan.
RE:reaction to Asacol
After numerous tries at upping the dose, I've found I can only tolerate
5/day. If I go up to 6, I get increased diarrhea. Maybe some of you
should try a lower dose since it is very beneficial to small bowel
disease.
Thanks
Debbie
Hi Lynn,
I could never take asacol. I tried three times and had nothing but =
problems. I also never had to take predisone. However, azufidine has =
worked for me for the last three years. My dose was two 500mg four times =
a day. Every time I reduced the amount I started having trouble. But, =
about two weeks a go I change my dosage to 1 tablet four times a day and =
I'm still doing fine. I've been on the diet for a month and a half.
If you want to take asacol, I've read some postings that say taking =
lactaide with the asacol seems to help.
Glenn=20
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:07:15 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: depression
Message-ID: <01BCB86A.5D500260@ppp46mer.cyberlynk.com>
----------
From: Glenn L. Rung[SMTP:backpack@CYBERLYNK.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:59 AM
To: 'SCD-list@longisland.com'
Subject: RE: depression
----------
From: EllenAdams@aol.com[SMTP:EllenAdams@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 3:16 AM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
In a message dated 97-09-03 08:30:27 EDT, you write:
<< I am wondering do you guy's get
these really bad depressed moods? >>
Jim,
I was wondering about this too. I've only been on the diet for a week =
and I
got a real sudden mood swing the other night. Depressed, crying. Then =
the
next day I felt about the same! (I figured a night's sleep would solve =
it but
it didn't) It's very unusual for me so it made me wonder. I figured =
it was
from not getting enough sleep, but then wondered if giving up sugar =
might
cause some emotional instability as the body adjusts.
Anyone else recognize this?
Ellen
Hi Ellen and Jim,
I've been on the diet for a month and a half and I've actually been =
feeling better, mood wise. I was never prone to depression before I went =
on the diet and I haven't had any depression spells since I went on the =
diet. I figure my moods were uplifted when my gut started feeling =
better.
Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:06:48 -0700
From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com>
To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: RE: Regular strength coffee
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From: Glenn L. Rung[SMTP:backpack@CYBERLYNK.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:31 PM
To: 'SCD-list@longisland.com'
Subject: RE: Regular strength coffee
----------
From: Matthew Cirillo[SMTP:mcirill@emory.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 12:46 PM
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Regular strength coffee
--------------------------------------------------------------------
SCD MAILING LIST
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Rosset wrote:
>=20
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> SCD MAILING LIST
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> ----------
> > From: EllenAdams@aol.com
> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> > Subject: 1 Week Progress Report
> > Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 6:42 AM
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > SCD MAILING LIST
> Ellen wrote:
>=20
> > The one area I've strayed intentionally is that the diet allows only
> "weak"
> > coffee. I still make my normal coffee in the morning and drink 2 or =
3
> cups
> > of it. This ritual has always been important for motivating my =
bowels in
> the
> > morning and therefore having my body be comfortable during the day.
> Cutting
> > that out along with everything else seemed like too drastic a change =
for
> my
> > system, and unnecessary since I don't have diareaha. I don't drink
> coffee
> > any other time of the day though.
> >
> Dear Ellen,
>=20
> I doubt that Elaine requires that the coffee be very weak just to give =
us
> coffee lovers a bad time. My concern with drinking regular strength =
coffee
> is that besides propelling the contents of the colon forward, it most
> likely moves the contents of
> your small intestine forward also. If the enzymes in the small =
intestine
> haven't finished doing their job, then undigested food could be =
feeding the
> bacteria and yeast in the colon.
> There are probably other reasons for restricting strong coffee intake. =
I'm
> guessing it might irritate the lining of the intestine.
> Hopefully, getting off of a high starch diet will correct your morning
> slugishness, and you won't be "needing" the coffee.
> With the addictive quality of caffeine I know it's hard it is to kick =
the
> habit, but it is necessary, to truly be on the diet. I find I'm better =
off
> just staying away from it, because it seems like as with most =
addictive
> substances, a little eventually leads to more (weak to stronger). At =
least
> that was my experience.
>=20
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> Lucy
>=20
> PS. Of course if you can manage to stick to truly very weak coffee, =
there
> should be no problem. The way I deal with it is to have it on rare
> occasions, rather than make it a daily routine. That way the strength =
has
> less of a chance of sneaking up on me.
I have found that coffee, even weak, still gives me trouble, and I've =
been on the=20
diet over 1 1/2 years! I can't seem to stay away from it, since it =
stimulates my=20
mind out of the fog it often finds itself. I wish there were an =
alternative. More=20
sleep, I know. But that is a bit of a stretch at the moment, as I =
prepare for grad.=20
school, coach soccer, and work full time with a second job! I think I =
should just=20
accept it. Coffee dosen't work on the diet for me.
Hi Ellen,
I finally got off the coffee about a month ago, however I did cheat and =
have one cup of coffee a couple of days ago with no problem. For me, it =
was best that I got off the stuff because I would have trouble after two =
or three cups.
My coffee habit lasted for about 20 years. I consumed anywhere from a =
quart to a gallon a day. The habit was so strong that I didn't care what =
coffee tasted like. I use to identify with an old saying from Louis =
Lamore (a famous western novelist) "Coffee is perfect when it can float =
a horse shoe." I was really hooked.
Breaking the habit was tough, but with determination, I made it. I =
needed coffee before going on the SCD because I always felt sluggish =
without the caffeine. But after I'd been on the diet for three weeks, I =
found that my energy was getting stronger so I decided to make a break =
with my caffeinated beverage of choice. I had a caffeine withdrawal =
headache for two days, but then I was fine. The longer I went without =
the coffee, the more I decided that I didn't need it. Now an occasional =
cup every one or two weeks is fine, but sometimes I'll only finish 1/2 a =
cup and I'll dump the rest.
I read somewhere that if you can sustain a change in one of your habits =
for twenty-one straight days, that the change will become your new =
habit. For me this concept works.
Take care,
Glenn
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:22:23 -0700
From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: Re: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
Message-ID: <199709032031.NAA14045@cascade.pacificrim.net>
----------
> From: Lynn Karakashian <lynn.karakashian@prudential.com>
> To: SCD-list@longisland.com
> Subject: RE:Asacol & Meds on SCD
> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 10:46 AM
>
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Lynn wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems with Asacol? It just doesn't seem to be
> working for me!!!!! Would love to hear from anyone.
>
> Keep up the good spirits.
>
Dear Lynn,
Not only did I not respond to Asacol, but I lost a lot of ground during the
couple of years I was taking it and almost lost my colon. There is no way
of knowing if the Asacol was the problem, but I know I don't trust it. I
stopped taking it almost 4 years ago and haven't needed anything but the
diet since.
A pharmacist once told me that he felt people did bettter on Dipentum than
Asacol. They are supposed to be similar drugs made by different companies.
Also, there is Azulfadine which has been around for a long time. I was
under the impression that the newer drugs were supposed to be better, but
I've heard that Azulfadine has bacteria killing properties that the newer
ones don't have. Apparently, newer isn't always better. Drug companies have
been known to bring out a new expensive drug, when the old one's patent has
run out. Rachel said she took Azulfadine during the first year or so on the
diet and did well with it. You might ask her about that.
Let us know how you do.
Lucy
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:01:50 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <340DD03E.39DF@pacbell.net>
Hi Jim,
Regarding depression, it sure is a tough one to figure out. Having
chronic health problems on top of life in general, it's hard to not get
depressed sometimes. At least I do. Sometimes though, when I feel
depressed, I realize what I mostly am is tired. That is the biggest
drag, is dealing with low energy. I personally feel that half the time
people talk about depression, it's really deep, "bone level" fatigue.
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not saying all depression is this. I
just mean sometimes it's hard to figure it out. Lately I've been taking
mineral supplements, calcium citrate and magnesium, etc. because I heard
that these are more likely to be deficient in those of us with
absorbtion problems. These have helped keep my energy levels a little
more consistent, which is a good thing. Take care.
Denise
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:05:51 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Sleep and Brain fog (was: Regular strength coffee)
Message-ID: <340DD12F.4D3D@pacbell.net>
Ellen,
I too have the sleep and fm problems that accompany my gut problems.
Exactly like you mentioned. Right now exploring taking
calcium/magnesium supplements that apparently can make a difference in
this area. I would give anything to be able to control the brain fog I
get. If you or anybody have suggestions for how to get rid of brain
fog, I would so greatly appreciate it!
Denise
> Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
> fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
> medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, only
> stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep more
> after about 6 hours).
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:10:06 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Message-ID: <340DD22E.488F@pacbell.net>
"One doctor actually told me that the reason he hadn't taken me
seriously was because I was well put together and well spoken when he
saw me. It was hard for him to understand that this is a part of who I
am, and doesn't mean I'm not in pain!"
Ditto for me on that, Ellen. Some of us tend toward the stoic,
"can-do" dignified approach to life (as well as illness) and don't look
like we're supposed to when we really are as sick or sicker than a lot
of people who are less sick! I think that's one of the reasons I've had
a hard time getting docs to take me seriously about my problems.
Denise
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:21:18 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <340DD4CE.5946@pacbell.net>
"... the addition of a diseased colon running your life, even when it's
healthy but you have the additional stress of keeping it that way, can
sometimes be just too much to bear."
Just thought I'd share my experience with that last one, since you all
are likely to understand. I just returned from a four-day wedding in
North-western Washington state. It was out in the boonies at a resort
where everything was canned and bottled -- even at this "exclusive"
restaurant at the resort! I subsisted on apples, carrots, canned tuna
and this "gourmet" fresh guacamole sold at this exclusive gourmet
country store that went for $8.95 a jar!!! I was so desperate. The
hardest part was not actually gettting the food but trying to eat the
food while I was a bridesmaid and was actively trying to coordinate the
wedding -- and most of the 4-day weekend's activities were centered
around food. The bride had tried to take me into consideration in her
planning, but, like most people who don't undersatnd the diet, had lots
of veggie salads with pasta, corn and bottled dressings. Ughhh. It was
hell. I broke down emotionally (in private, fortunately) at one or two
points, from exhaustion in general, but also from malnutrition.
Fortunately I have a very understanding husband who was more than there
for me and helped go buy the guacamole when I was too dizzy to manage.
Sorry, I had to vent all this, it feels like no one else understands how
difficult it is to stay on this diet sometimes when away from home.
Taking chances on mystery ingredients in restaurants and such. I came
home and cooked and cooked and cooked. And ate and ate and ate! Thanks
for listening to whomever might be reading this. It sure helps to talk.
Denise
------------------------------
End of SCD-list V1 #28
**********************
SCD-list Thu, 4 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 29
In this issue:
Strange! Just quit coffee myself
Re: depression
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Zuchinni Soup Recipe
Re: depression
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Asacol & Meds on SCD
SCD Participants List on Yogurt24
Re: coffee
DCCC
Re: Asacol & Meds on SCD
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: depression
New Prednisone book
traveling
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Yohurt tip
Re: Yohurt tip
eating away from home
yogurt worries
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:53:57 -0500
From: hullc@mindspring.com (C. S. Hull)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Strange! Just quit coffee myself
Message-ID: <v01510101b03363a822a0@[207.69.222.205]>
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Hello Everyone!
This talk about coffee really hits home with me. I empathize entirely
with everyone "holding on" to their last tiny vice. Alas, me, too, and I
have only given it up this week. I am amazed at how much better I am
sleeping, and how much less my tummy complains. Calmer, indeed. I didn't
really think I had a sleep "problem."
I didn't think I was having that much coffee. I drank two to three
(strong, I blush to admit) cups in the AM, and once in awhile, when out to
dinner, I'd have another cup as my "treat". Who knows what I've been
treating myself to! In retrospect, I'd quit it a lot sooner if I had it to
do over, although, I understand the need for psychological space to choose
that time.
I went through one heck of a headache morning. An Alleve pill helped.
That was it. After about four days we started drinking a single cup of
high quality decaf. I'm very careful with it, however, and at the least
sign, I'll put it down. Oh yes, the ritual is a social one, and the fact
that my beloved one gave it up too, to help me, gave me an additional
boost, although I didn't really want him to have to give it up for me. It
did help.
I managed to rationalize my way through (or simply defer the inevitable?)
about a year and a half on the diet without really giving up coffee.
After "starting over" six months ago, I've gotten a lot better, but with
a 1x/day relapse of diarreah after about three months (and an occasional
weak day).
I still don't eat much fruit or vegetables. The one vegetable that
really sustains and agrees with me is butternut squash. I also bake six
apples at a time and don't eat the skins. (Let me clarify that -I don't
eat all six at a time). Still can't eat nuts (except ground into flour for
bread) or cheese. But I keep testing, very slowly. All in all, this diet
has saved my life, I'm sure. I've stopped losing weight and grateful as
all.
Sorry to have been out of touch. Too much to do and too little time and
energy to get it all in. Familiar story?
Best to everyone. Carolyn
>In a message dated 97-09-03 01:35:01 EDT, you write:
>
>Thanks for your insights and I think you make some interesting points. I
>hadn't thought of the details of how it might affect the intestines. I will
>probably give it up at some point--especially if I can wake up feeling good!
> Right now, it's the only way I can get myself to work. I also have
>fibromyalgia and the doctor and I are trying various combinations of
>medications trying to get me to sleep (I have trouble falling asleep, only
>stay asleep 3 hours at a time, and wake up hurting and unable to sleep more
>after about 6 hours). Different medications have different affects but none
>seems to work for more than two days (my body adjusts too quickly), and all
>of them make a me zombie in the mornings! Between that and keeping my
>insides on their schedule, I'm still going to leave it in for now. I'll give
>my body some time to adjust to the change in diet before I take away this
>last crutch. I am hoping that giving up the sugar and starch will help my
>sleep problems and hopefully improve my energy. I am encouraged though
>because after 1 week it seems to have really improved the pain from my
>insides and made them quieter and calmer overall.
>
>Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <970903195223_825285574@emout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 10:53:49 EDT, you write:
<< Anyone know the typical symptoms of ketosis? Is there a urine test? >>
You can buy urine test sticks in any drug store although you may have to ask
for them (they may be behind the counter). I think they're called Ketostix
or something similar.
Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:18:19 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <l03010d00b033bc9196a1@[199.171.4.120]>
Dear Prateeksha,
I Do use commercial yogurt as starter (sorry I wasn't clear on that) and my
oven is electric. Hope this helps.
Rachel
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 20:36:22 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: 1 Week Progress Report
Message-ID: <l03010d01b033be4eff3e@[199.171.4.147]>
>"One doctor actually told me that the reason he hadn't taken me
>seriously was because I was well put together and well spoken when he
>saw me. It was hard for him to understand that this is a part of who I
>am, and doesn't mean I'm not in pain!"
To all that have chimed in with dittos to this one, please include me! I've
had doctors tell me the exact same thing almost word for word. I am also a
person who refuses to let pain run my life. I come across strong and
healthy. I guess its hard to take me seriously when I claim to be in agony
even though I've just worked 8 hours, taken a martial arts class, done my
housework and made sure dinner was on the table. It just makes me want to
scream with frustration when a doctor refuses to take you seriously because
you are stoic and won't succumb to the pain. I was on nortryptaline for a
while for the FM, but its usefullness was shortlived. I kept having to take
more and more with less and less results. I finally gave up on it. I take a
lot of tylonal and when the pain becomes unbearable, I take a percocet
(maybe once or twice a month). As for the asocal VS azulphadine, I was on
azulphadine for about 8 years total and it did help. I guess its been about
a year and 1/2 since I stopped taking anything for my UC ( no reason to)
Rachel
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:07:00 -0700
From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus)
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <v01550100b03356f7ace3@[206.40.74.33]>
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>
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> Dear Prateeksha,
>I Do use commercial yogurt as starter (sorry I wasn't clear on that) and my
>oven is electric. Hope this helps.
>Rachel
Dear Rachel,
Just to be sure...before I make 3 quarts (like you do) and have to toss it
out...let me test my understanding of your method, of making yogurt, using
an electric oven:
All you do is after you place the yogurt container in the oven is put a pen
in between the oven space and the door to keep it from getting too warm?
Did you check with a thermometer, to make sure it was between 100-110?
This sounds like the easiest method by far...the way you do it...and I
can't wait. I need to make yogurt tomorrow...so please answer back
quickly, okay? Of course, you always do anyway!
Thanks, Rachel. Prateeksha
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:07:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Zuchinni Soup Recipe
Message-ID: <970903210530_1026619988@emout11.mail.aol.com>
I don't remember who posted the recipe for Zuchinni Soup with the yogurt,
cinnamon, and cumin but I tried it tonight and it was really terrific! (It's
a keeper even if I did put too much in the blender and spray green bits all
over my new kitchen.)
Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <970903210740_-1769982891@emout07.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 19:09:49 EDT, you write:
<< backpack@cyberlynk.com (Glenn L. Rung) >>
Can others read Glenn's posts? I'm on AOL and I receive an empty mail
message with an attached file. I download the file and when I try to read
it, I get non-ascii characters. Is this an AOL problem or are others
experiencing it?
(Glenn: I'd like to be able to read your comments.)
Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:17:56 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <l03010d02b033ca20c60d@[199.171.4.147]>
Dear Prateeksha,
I don't prop the door open util it starts to get too warm in there (start
with closed door). I keep thermometer in the oven so I can checkit every
few hours to make sure it doesn't go above 110. Good luck. Can't wait to
hear how your's came out.
Rachel
PS: I use a 1/2 cup commercial yogurt per quart of 1/2 & 1/2
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Asacol & Meds on SCD
Message-ID: <970903205831_-300096176@emout11.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-03 13:27:33 EDT, you write:
<< I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it >>
There is no reason to stop taking your meds to get the benefits of this diet.
On page 46 of her book Elaine says "Medication should continue as the
physician has instructed. As progress is made, the physician, undoubtedly,
will reduce medication gradually......Always seek medical advice in reducing
medication."
On page 59 where Elaine discusses supplements of friendly bacteria (such as
acidopholis) she advocates getting them in a lactose base rather than an FOS
base.
I take 9 asacols a day. I am seeing great benefit from the diet and no
problems associated with taking my meds. It's the equivalent of ingesting
less than 1/8th cup of milk in a day.
If you are truly lactose intolerant you should work with your doctor on an
alternative rather than just stop taking everything (one guy who was having
problems with the asacol was fine when he took lactaid with his meds). If
you are not intolerant, try the diet while you continue your meds. Only
change one thing at a time so you can truly see the effect of the change. If
you stop all your meds to go on the diet and get really ill, you won't know
what caused the problem. Get well first, then see what you want to do.
No one is advocating this diet as a replacement for prescribed medication.
Some people have gotten so well on the diet that they found they no longer
needed their medication, but they didn't stop taking it the first week (more
like a year later).
I hope this is helpful.
Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 21:43:58 -0500
From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: SCD Participants List on Yogurt24
Message-ID: <1338798979-1213015@mailhost.triplesoft.com>
Hi there,
Thanks to everyone who has added their name to the list of SCD
participants on the Yogurt24 web site. The URL is:
http://www.triplesoft.com/yogurt24/partic.html
The list on this web page is a great way for all of us to see:
1. who is on the diet (name, age, location, medical condition)
2. how long they've been on the diet (i.e. under one month, 1-3 months,
4-6 months, etc.)
The list is also a wonderful resource for anyone who is beginning the
diet.
In order to keep the list on this web page current, we need your help:
---If you have already added your name to the web page---
please stop by and take a second to fill out the 'update listing' form
(located at the top of the web page) if your length of time on the diet
has changed (i.e. 1-3 months, 4-6 months, etc.)
---If you haven't added your name to the web page---
please stop by the web page and complete the 'add your name' form,
located at the top of the web page.
Thanks for contributing. Wishing everyone the best,
<renee>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:20:22 +0200
From: Odd =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8ivind?= Bergstad <oddb@stovner.vgs.no>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: coffee
Message-ID: <199709040820.KAA01495@vgs.sn.no>
At 10:53 03.09.97 PST, you wrote:
>Anyway, if you read the section he has on coffee, you would likely
>be inspired to try to cut back or stop drinking it. I did. And I was a major
>coffee lover.
>Anna
I was also a coffee lover. I tried so many times to quit, but is was first
after having my second "fewer" without any reason I managed to pull myself
together and quit. In my opinion cofee is - like suger - one of the things
you can try if you want to get rid of all the vitamines and minerals in the
body. Good luck!!
Odd Oivind
oddb@stovner.vgs.no
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:39:35 -0400
From: Jaye Whitmire <jaye@mindspring.com>
To: SCD-list <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: DCCC
Message-ID: <340EAC07.6AB22F3B@mindspring.com>
I have been using Farmer's Cheese (cultured pasteurized Grade A skim
milk,cream
& salt) since DCCC was impossible to find in this state!
Last eve, in a diff grocercy store I saw Breakstone's DCCC with added
skim milk. The ingredients are listed as cultured pasteurized Grade A
skim milk & natural flavoring.
Is this a more acceptable form of DCCC or the two are about the same?
Thanks
Debbie
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:38:53 -0400
From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Asacol & Meds on SCD
Message-ID: <340EABDD.AE408048@emory.edu>
I suspect that Elaine whould have had a snowball's chance in hell to get
her book published without some kind of "link" to the
medical-pharmaceutical machine by telling us not to stop our meds
without the advice of our physicians. If you are like me, you have a
doctor who refuses to acknowledge the extent of diet in controlling
Colitis (and possibly chrones-I have no experience there) and know when
you need or don't need meds. Obviously, prednisone needs to be tapered
off slowly. I have found asacol a mixed blessing. When I took 6 tablets
a day, I bled. Now I take only 3 a day (one at a time) and I believe
it helps with the diet, but dosen't give me any bad effects. I feel
that being on the diet negates the need for lots of drugs (eventually
for any drugs, for that matter). Since my doctor dosen't want to face
the prospect that diet is curing me, I feel compelled to alter my
prescriptions accordingly (ie.. less does the trick for me). I expect to
drop it entirely soon, but, I think it does help, in small quantities.
EllenAdams@aol.com wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> SCD MAILING LIST
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> In a message dated 97-09-03 13:27:33 EDT, you write:
>
> << I just began the diet this week and was upset to see in someone's
> message that Asacol has lactose in it. I immediately quit taking it
> >>
>
> There is no reason to stop taking your meds to get the benefits of
> this diet.
> On page 46 of her book Elaine says "Medication should continue as the
>
> physician has instructed. As progress is made, the physician,
> undoubtedly,
> will reduce medication gradually......Always seek medical advice in
> reducing
> medication."
>
> On page 59 where Elaine discusses supplements of friendly bacteria
> (such as
> acidopholis) she advocates getting them in a lactose base rather than
> an FOS
> base.
>
> I take 9 asacols a day. I am seeing great benefit from the diet and
> no
> problems associated with taking my meds. It's the equivalent of
> ingesting
> less than 1/8th cup of milk in a day.
>
> If you are truly lactose intolerant you should work with your doctor
> on an
> alternative rather than just stop taking everything (one guy who was
> having
> problems with the asacol was fine when he took lactaid with his
> meds). If
> you are not intolerant, try the diet while you continue your meds.
> Only
> change one thing at a time so you can truly see the effect of the
> change. If
> you stop all your meds to go on the diet and get really ill, you won't
> know
> what caused the problem. Get well first, then see what you want to
> do.
>
> No one is advocating this diet as a replacement for prescribed
> medication.
> Some people have gotten so well on the diet that they found they no
> longer
> needed their medication, but they didn't stop taking it the first week
> (more
> like a year later).
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Ellen
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:08:26 -0500
From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <v03102800b0346305a948@[129.186.242.88]>
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> Dear Prateeksha,
>I don't prop the door open util it starts to get too warm in there (start
>with closed door). I keep thermometer in the oven so I can checkit every
>few hours to make sure it doesn't go above 110. Good luck. Can't wait to
>hear how your's came out.
>Rachel
>PS: I use a 1/2 cup commercial yogurt per quart of 1/2 & 1/2
So, you use twice as much commercial yogurt as the book says? What brand
do you use?
Maureen
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:17:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: EllenAdams@aol.com
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: depression
Message-ID: <970904091715_-65070451@emout03.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-09-04 00:36:07 EDT, you write:
<< Sorry, I had to vent all this, it feels like no one else understands how
difficult it is to stay on this diet sometimes when away from home. >>
I appreciate your sharing your experience. I think you have real guts to
take on what you did and obviously have a lot of love for your friend. I
haven't been away from home overnight on the diet yet (I've been carrying my
lunchbox on day trips). I was thinking just the other day about how I'm
going to handle our annual corporate retreat. All the executives go off
together for 3 days. All of our time is scheduled in various group
activities and two big activities are eating and drinking. Dinner menus are
preplanned--no choices. I remember one of the lunches was pasta! I'll have
to be a bit creative to work that one out, but at least it's not until
Spring.
I've gone out to a restaurant only once since on the diet. I had to take an
employee to lunch. I picked a really good place and then explained to the
waiter that I was on a medically restricted diet and that I need plain
grilled salmon with nothing on it, and some sliced fresh tomatoes on my
plate. They were able to accomodate that. (I figured citing it as medical
would make them more careful to follow my instructions).
It's unfortunate that you were stuck in such a situation without fresh food
options. I can only imagine how miserable you must have been!
Ellen
PS. How do others deal with these kinds of situations? How do you prevent
well meaning people from poisening you? ;-)
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 09:32:57 -0500
From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com>
To: <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: New Prednisone book
Message-ID: <1338756440-3771598@mailhost.triplesoft.com>
I saw a new book at the bookstore written all about Prednisone. I thought
people on the SCD who take prednisone or have taken it in the past might
find it interesting. Below is the book title and related info:
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Coping With Prednisone (And Other Cortisone-Related Medicines) : It May
Work Miracles, but How Do You Handle the Side Effects?
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by Eugenia Zukerman, Julie R., MD Ingelfinger, Eugenia Zuckerman
Hardcover, 176 pages
Published by St Martins Pr (Trade)
Publication date: August 1, 1997
Dimensions (in inches): 5.78 x 8.63 x .81
ISBN: 0312155026
List: $21.95
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I didn't buy it, so I can't say if it's good or not. You can read more
about the book at the online bookstore, Amazon.com. The URL is:
http://www.amazon.com/
Click the 'Keyword' link and type in 'prednisone'.
<renee>
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:43:06 -0500
From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: traveling
Message-ID: <v03102802b034687ef2da@[129.186.242.88]>
>
>PS. How do others deal with these kinds of situations? How do you prevent
>well meaning people from poisening you? ;-)
My husband, Mike, who has had Crohn's (very severe case) for 24 years has
been on the diet since December. In April we had to travel (out of state
medical trip) and be out of our home for 5 days. One of his staples is the
pizza recipe in Elaine's book (zuchinni crust). I bake the pizza on cookie
sheets and cut them into squares and freeze them in the Tupperware sandwich
keepers. I make about 16 squares at a time, and then he can zap them in
the microwave when he wants to eat. For the trip I packed all his food.
It needed to stay frozen for the 7 or 8 hours from our house to the hotel.
I got a soft-sided cooler made by Igloo, and packed about 10 of the pizza
squares, 5 frozen patties of ground round, 1 quart of homemade yogurt, 16
frozen chicken nuggets (recipe from the book where you grind the chicken,
and then mix with egg and almond flour and fry), and everything stayed
frozen. Then I put it all in the freezer in our hotel room. It worked
well.
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Maureen Stohlmeyer
Iowa State University
College of Agriculture
137 Curtiss Hall
Ames, IA 50011
515-294-4763
515-294-5334 FAX
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:39:30 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <l03010d00b034ae127fe4@[199.171.4.147]>
Dear Maureen,
Your note had me running to check the book about my measurements (1/2 cup
commercial yogurt to a quart of 1/2 & 1/2). Page 134 says use 1/2 cup
commercial yogurt to 2 cups of 1/2 & 1/2, which means that I've been using
HALF the recommended amount. I should be using 1 cup per quart. I feel like
an idiot, math is supposed to be my forte. Since my yogurt has been coming
out perfectly, I'm not sure I should change. Do you think using more
commercial yogurt would benefit?
I use different brands depending on what has a later exp. date and no
additional or verboten ingredients.
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:27:31 -0500
From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <v03102804b034aca12b54@[129.186.242.88]>
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>Dear Maureen,
>Your note had me running to check the book about my measurements (1/2 cup
>commercial yogurt to a quart of 1/2 & 1/2). Page 134 says use 1/2 cup
>commercial yogurt to 2 cups of 1/2 & 1/2, which means that I've been using
>HALF the recommended amount. I should be using 1 cup per quart. I feel like
>an idiot, math is supposed to be my forte. Since my yogurt has been coming
>out perfectly, I'm not sure I should change. Do you think using more
>commercial yogurt would benefit?
>I use different brands depending on what has a later exp. date and no
>additional or verboten ingredients.
The only brand available here that is OK is Dannon. I was just curious if
you thought Dannon was OK. I don't have my book here at work. Do you use
more yogurt starter for half and half than you do for whole milk? I've
been using half a cup of yogurt starter per two quarts whole milk. I also
tried that amount for a batch that was 50% half and half and 50% whole
milk. Definitely thicker and creamier.
--------------------------
Maureen Stohlmeyer
Iowa State University
College of Agriculture
137 Curtiss Hall
Ames, IA 50011
515-294-4763
515-294-5334 FAX
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:06:41 -0500
From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com>
To: SCD-list@longisland.com
Subject: Re: Yohurt tip
Message-ID: <l03010d01b034d1a5db38@[199.171.4.137]>
>The only brand available here that is OK is Dannon. I was just curious if
>you thought Dannon was OK.
I think so, I think I've used it in the past. Per book,unflavored,
unsweetened,commercial yogurt, containing only milk & bacterial culture.
I don't have my book here at work. Do you use
>more yogurt starter for half and half than you do for whole milk?
Per book;
One quart milk to 1/4 cup commercial yogurt= regular yogurt
2 cups half & half or heavy cream to 1/2 cup commercial yogurt=french cream
Rachel
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:21:13 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: eating away from home
Message-ID: <9913211304091997/A03137/VANHQ1/11B923550D00*@MHS>
>I was thinking just the other day about how I'm
>going to handle our annual corporate retreat. All the executives go off
>together for 3 days. All of our time is scheduled in various group
>activities and two big activities are eating and drinking. Dinner menus are
>preplanned--no choices
This is true, it's not easy. My office had a retreat planned and I think I got
so stressed out worrying about it that it caused a flare. I had heard that the
menus were all pre-ordered with little choice and that usually people go out
drinking and socializing and what not. This made me even more aprehensive. I
had planned to go and bring my own food in a cooler. I called the hotel and
requested a mini fridge in my room. I was just going to eat cold food and
deal with it. It was only going to be 2 days. Finally I felt so sick that I
told my boss I had to stay behind because I wasn't feeling well and didn't want
to be far from home. I kept going to work, but didn't participate in the
retreat. I hope that I can go the next time.
>PS. How do others deal with these kinds of situations? How do you prevent
>well meaning people from poisening you? ;-)
It's hard. I told my friend's mother about it in detail, yet when I went for
dinner, she thought she was so good at adhering to my diet but she used bottled
barbeque sauce on the bbq ribs and the vegies were cooked crispy, when I need
them well done. I ate it anyway, because I didn't want to be rude or make a
scene. So, it's not easy, but it can be done. I think if I had spoken to her
ahead of time and found out what she was making I could have told her not to
put any sauce on mine and that I need my vegies boiled. We need to be more
assertive and less afraid of offending people I think.
Anna
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:28:10 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com>
Subject: yogurt worries
Message-ID: <4710281304091997/A03175/VANHQ1/11B9235C0900*@MHS>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Dear Maureen,
>Your note had me running to check the book about my measurements (1/2 cup
>commercial yogurt to a quart of 1/2 & 1/2). Page 134 says use 1/2 cup
>commercial yogurt to 2 cups of 1/2 & 1/2, which means that I've been using
>HALF the recommended amount. I should be using 1 cup per quart. I feel like
>an idiot, math is supposed to be my forte.
Don't worry about it. It is not necessary to use more starter. It would
probably work just as well with a quarter cup. All you need is a few bacteria
and they multiply like crazy. You must have seen those movies in school about
bacteria and it shows how they rampantly multiply. Well, if it's working fine,
then don't change anything. I doubt it affects the lactose level. I found
that cream is no different from milk in terms of making yogurt. It just has
more fat so it turns out richer and creamier. But both are completely firm.
If you get firm yogurt that is not lumpy, curdled, or runny, then you are ok.
Anna
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