SCD-list 10-12 Sept 1997
SCD-list Tue, 9 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 34 In this issue: Re: research (veering off topic) Re: Veggie Carbs Re: psyllium use Re: Minerals and Brain Fog Re: CCFA support for SCD Re: psyllium use [Fwd: SCD] Hello SCD MAILING LIST Re: psyllium use RE: Request for information Registered: Hazel Pelham Re: Hello Re: [Fwd: SCD] Re: Veggie Carbs RE: Request for information RE: psyllium use Re: "skinning" beans Re: Brain fog Re: Veggie Carbs Re: Some very dairy questions Nut Flour..... Re: Cocoanut Re: Minerals and Brain Fog goodbye Re: psyllium use Fax from Elaine (Sept 8) Re: Veggie Carbs brain fog -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:37:39 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: research (veering off topic) Message-ID: <970908193547_-565912681@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-08 18:22:11 EDT, you write: << IMHO, they should have more of a preventative approach to medicine, and not a reactive one. However, we all know that there's no money in it for them, or pharmaceutical companies (sorry Ellen), to follow this approach. >> Hey...no need to apologize to me. I'm the one who pointed out that they are businesses...not altruistic research organizations! ;-) E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:54:24 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <970908195242_227834911@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-08 12:28:26 EDT, you write: << Are some veggies higher in carbs than others? If so, does anyone know where a breakdown of different veggie/carbohydrate ratios can be found? >> Here's what I found from various sources, but I don't really have any background in this. A person should get 200-300 grams of carbohydrate per day (RDA). The amount is a function of age, sex, activity level, etc. If you are getting less than 60 grams per day your body could go into ketosis and burn body fat for energy. Bad breath (like rotting fruit) is a symptom of ketosis. Whether your body is in ketosis can be verified using urine test sticks available at any drugstore. Here are some carb values for SCD foods: 2 T. Peanut butter 8g 1 T. honey 17 g 1 apple 19 g 1 carrot 7 g 1 c. lima beans 24 1 c. string beans 10g 1 c. broccoli 5 g 1 c. cauliflower 7g 1 large eggplant 44 g 1 cup onions 13 g 1 c. spinach 6 g 1 c. spaghetti squash 9g 1 c. summer squash 5 g. 1 c. coconut 12 g 1 c. pinto beans 34 g. 1 c. applesauce 50 g. 1 c. apricots 54 g 1 c. blackberries 59 g 1 c. cranberries 12 g 1 c. grapes 28 g 1 c. apple juice 28 g 1 c. plain yogurt 15 g I hope this is helpful. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:37:15 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium use Message-ID: <v01550100b039e827efff@[206.40.74.44]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi group, > >Here's "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" statement on psyllium: "Chemical and Nutrient Content: Aucubine, enzyme, fats, glycosides, mucilage, and protein. Actions and Uses: Softens the stools, preventing constipation, colitis, and hemorrhoids. Cleans the intestines." Prateeksha Got a question for anyone ! JoEllen mentioned using Psyllium, even though she >had D. prior to starting the diet. I recall (I believe) Denise saying that she >sometimes used it to help with constipation. And doesn't Metamucil use this >ingredient (natural fibre). I have been using it also as I was told it would >help. Now I am wondering if perhaps it is more to help constipation and should >not be used when stools are loose. Any comments ? > >Thanks... Dan. > >*************************************************************** >* Dan Woods The University of Calgary * >* dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * >*************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:58:00 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Minerals and Brain Fog Message-ID: <34149F18.230@pacbell.net> I take six capules a day of Pure Encapsulations brand of "Mineral 650." It has a whole host of minerals in it besides the calcium and magnesium. I get the Pure Encapsulations brand stuff through my husband, who is a licensed acupuncturist/herbalist and can order it wholesale. I don't think it's available in the stores, but if you can get it, it's very good. All their products are. I haven't looked in the stores for the citrate but I imagine it is available, although probably more expensive than the "carbonate" forms. I wish you luck in finding a good source. I know it's out there. By the way, I heard recently in a conversation with Odd from Denmark that magnesium deficiency can contribute to iron deficiency anemia. Anybody else know about this? Best wishes, Denise G > Denise, thanks for your mineral suggestion. I'll try it. What dosage are > you taking? Hope it continues to work for you ---and for our---well being. > Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:00:34 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA support for SCD Message-ID: <34149FB2.4D94@pacbell.net> Ellen, it's a great idea. I would definitely be willing to participate in something like this. It would feel so good to contribute to having diet proven a valid form of treatment. Denise "If all of this worked out, we'd have a $200,000 study. I'm not arguing that this is the optimum way to go about this. I'm just trying to point out that even a small group of people can make big things happen." -- Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:04:07 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium use Message-ID: <3414A087.2A20@pacbell.net> Dan, From what I remember hearing, psyllium can be helpful for both constipation and diarrhea. For constipation, it helps bulk up the stool and lubricate, for diarrhea, it is soothing to inflamed tissue and can help stool become more formed. However, I myself never used it for the diarrhea problem, so I'm not sure. I do know that I had to adjust the amount I used (one quarter teaspoon twice a day) because if I took more than than, I got very achey-type symptoms, which were not pleasant. But the smaller dose did help and didn't hurt! Take care, Denise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:08:39 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: [Fwd: SCD] Message-ID: <3414A197.184@pacbell.net> Return-Path: bmac@jps.net Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by mail-sf1.pacbell.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA24164 for <stellar1@chumash.snfc21.pbi.net>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dry.jps.net ([208.25.63.253]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id RAA22282 for <stellar1@PACBELL.NET>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmac.jsp.net (istk-port73.jps.net [208.25.61.80]) by dry.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22246 for <stellar1@PACBELL.NET>; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970908171410.00690370@jps.net> X-Sender: bmac@jps.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:14:10 -0700 To: <stellar1@PACBELL.NET> From: Barbara Macdonald <bmac@jps.net> Subject: SCD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello "Dempsey", I hope I am reading all this right. I am new at the computer. I found pages of correspondence concerning SCD which I finally figured out to be SPECIFIC CHARBOHYDRATE DIET. Is there a home page? What is the title of the book everyone talks about? What's Elaine's last name? Is there membership involved? I am interested because I am gluten sensitive. I hope you can help me with these questions. Thank you for your help. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:17:56 -0400 From: Tim Grogan <tgperson@magicnet.net> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Hello Message-ID: <01BCBC9C.D0353800@pm29-06.magicnet.net> Hello, I have been reading and gaining hope from the letters and info = exchanged for a couple of weeks.. "Thanks" is all I can say and it is = certainly not enough. My husband wrote for me last week because I was = too weak and tired to do it myself. The info helped so much. I have = been diagnosed with IBS and have been on a downhill path for the last = three years, the last of which was spent on muscle relaxers whenever I = ate. By June, I was severely reacting to all food that entered my body. = That's when I found the info on SCD and have improved greatly, without = muscle relaxers or other drugs. Hey, I did 1 pull-up yesterday! My strength seems to be improving. I' = ve actually had a good couple of days in a row, including strength, no = pain, and no D. I really think the energy difference has been the = addition of nut flour from the Hughson company. I had tried to grind my = own, but could not tolerate it. But I have had nut muffins since = Thursday and saw an almost immediate rise in energy. I am still = struggling to get enough carbs into the day, as I cannot eat anything = that has not been cooked beyond recognition. Fresh Fruits and Veggies = are out (so is eating out). I have some questions about adding beans to my diet. Tomorrow will = complete my second month on the SCD. When my energy hit such a low = about 1 1/2 weeks ago, I called Elaine and she suggested adding beans = (and B-12). Her instructions were to eat them without the skins for at = least the first month. After soaking the navy beans overnight, then = cooking them, I still don't see how to get the skin off (short of doing = each bean individually). I went ahead and tried the baked bean recipe = and had a bad reaction (not sure if it was the beans, but I think so). = How do you get the skin off of the beans? I'm open for suggestions. I have also been seeing a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine with = very good results. He has been very emphatic about me eating all of my = food and drink warmed or heated. It certainly feels good going down. = Has anyone else looked into this alternative path? It is also nice just = to have a doctor listen and care. Sorry, if I wrote too much. It just feels so good to get to "talk" with = others who know. Thanks,=20 Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Monday, 8 September 1997 8:38pm CT From: SS.SADOFF@HOSP.WISC.EDU To: scd-list@LONGISLAND.COM Subject: SCD MAILING LIST Message-ID: <m0x8F7B-00003VC@emc2gate> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, I RECENTLY SENT AN e-mail to you concerning subscription to scd mailing list. for some reason at that time you were not able to process this request. so i am trying once again to request being placed on the scd mailing list. if there is any problem, or you are needing certain specific information from me to hasten this process please let me know----- thank you sincerely, steve sadoff ss.sadoff@HOSP.WISC.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium use Message-ID: <970909000137_1040490275@emout01.mail.aol.com> Dan, I began taking Psyllium out of frustration! I was having trouble with D (this was before I even hear about SCD) and my GI perscribed "Colestid" (a cholestral lowering drug) and I was not happy about that. The side effect is Constipation. Again, treating the symptoms. I did not want to resort to that (I already take the full dosage of Pentasa) and put more drugs into my body if I didn't have to. In complete despair, I went to an Herbalist who I had gone to before and asked her if she had anything that had a side effect of constipation. She suggested the Psyllium and I thought I would give it a try. Yes, it is also used for constipation and I think drinking alot of water might be effective for the Psyllium to work in that way.I do not drink an excessive amount of water and this has been working for me. Now I will admit, that soon after I began taking the Psyllium, and before learning about SCD, I was omitting wheat, yeast & sugar from my diet, but was eating rice. Now since I am on SCD, I am not sure that I even need the Psyllium, but I think it is too soon for me to chance it. I have info on the Psyllium if you would like it. It is made by Nature Sunshine. Best regards, JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:27:45 +-100 From: Stuart Firth <sfirth@centerline.com> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Cc: "'hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk'" <hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk> Subject: RE: Request for information Message-ID: <01BCBD02.F3713C40@rsfirth.centerline.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCBD02.F3713C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hazel, I've been on the diet for about 3 months now - the last month or so = after coming off Prednisolone. It seems to be working well despite = apathy from my NHS "specialist" - my homeopath on the other hand thinks = its a good idea. Some of the items in the book are difficult to get = hold of but I'm not sure whether that's particular to the UK, or an = international problem. It's been hard to stick to the diet when you've = got two young kids and a pregnant wife, but it's amazing how creative = you can get by adding the forbidden substances at the end of the cooking = process. Also, having a garden half full of fresh, organic potatoes is = hard to pass up! Email me at sfirth@centerline.com if you need any more information. Stuart Swindon, UK. ---------- From: Hazel Pelham[SMTP:hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk] Sent: 08 September 1997 17:25 To: 'SCD LIST' Subject: Request for information -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear All, I have been subscribed to this list for about 2 weeks and I am so = impressed=20 with the support and encouragement that you all give to each other. I am studying to become a Nutrition Consultant in England and would like = to=20 pick your collective brains for information of two different sorts. Firstly, is there anyone in the UK on this list? I know of several = other=20 practitioners in this country who are keen to try this diet with their=20 client's but who are struggling to find suppliers for several of the SCD = staples. A good example of this is the farmer's cheese. If there is = anyone=20 out there who can help? I would be happy to pass this information to = other=20 nutritionists. I would love to speak to someone in this country who has = successfully used the diet. Secondly, as part of my studies I am writing a dissertation on the=20 Nutritional Management of Crohn's Disease. I was interested in Ted's=20 message which mentioned some relevant papers. If anyone has information = on=20 papers that relate to diet and Crohn's I would be really grateful. I will be on email at work on hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk=20 until 16 September when I am leaving work to set up my = nutrition=20 practise. Having suffered 7 years of Crohn's, I have been 99% symptom free for the = last 7 years using a variety of diets, so it really can work. Good Luck and Good Health to you all. Hazel Pelham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 10:58:43 +0100 From: hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk (Hazel Pelham) To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-list) Subject: Registered: Hazel Pelham Message-ID: <1997Sep09.104858.1772.1411221@pu-smtp.radio.bbc.co.uk> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:47:46 +0000 From: jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt (Joaquim Dias) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <v01540b00b03ae6d03c55@[192.168.2.168]> > After soaking the navy beans overnight, then cooking them, I still don't >see how to get the skin off (short of doing each bean individually). I >went ahead and tried the baked bean recipe and had a bad reaction (not >sure if it was the beans, but I think so). How do you get the skin off of >the beans? I'm open for suggestions. > Stephanie, First, you soak the beans. Then, you take their skin off (at this stage it is quite simple, although it takes some time). Finaly, you cook them. Joaquim Dias in Lisbon jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:04:41 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com, bmac@jps.net Subject: Re: [Fwd: SCD] Message-ID: <34153B58.C3B774A0@emory.edu> Hi Barbara (or Dempsey?) Elaine Gotschall is the author of "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" and there's no membership fee, except that you respect everyone and not veer the "threads" of conversation away from the SCD. We all got your posting to our LISTSERVER, which is all about the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet). Most of us are afflicted with some intestinal disorder, be it colitis, irritable bowel syndrome, chrons disease, or any number of things. Here you will find postings from people like me who are no longer suffering from symptoms, and are maintaining our health by adhering to the SCD with support from this group. There are also plenty of folks new to the diet as well, who are just discovering the benefits. Below I've pasted some info on how to "subscribe" to the LISTSERVER. Once you do, you will find about 20 or so messages every day in your mailbox (computer mailbox, assuming you have your own E-mail account). Many will be helpful and insightful, some will seem irrelevant to your specific condition. How to Access the List Manager ------------------------------ You can interact with the List Manager by sending commands in the body of an E-mail message addressed to "SCD-request@Longisland.com". (Important Note: Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed.) Available List Manager Commands ------------------------------- The Post.Office Mailing List Manager understands the following commands: (Note: In the descriptions below items contained in []'s are optional. When providing the item, do not include the []'s around it.) subscribe <list> [<address>] Subscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) to the named <list>. unsubscribe <list> [<address>] Unsubscribe yourself (or <address> if specified) from the named <list>. which Find out which lists you are on. info <list> Retrieve the general introductory information for the named <list>. lists Show the lists served by this List Manager server. help Retrieve this message. end Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature). Dempsey wrote: > Subject: SCD > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:14:10 -0700 > From: Barbara Macdonald <bmac@jps.net> > To: <stellar1@PACBELL.NET> > > Hello "Dempsey", > > I hope I am reading all this right. I am new at the computer. > I found pages of correspondence concerning SCD which I finally figured > out to be SPECIFIC CHARBOHYDRATE DIET. > Is there a home page? > What is the title of the book everyone talks about? > What's Elaine's last name? > Is there membership involved? > > I am interested because I am gluten sensitive. > > I hope you can help me with these questions. > > Thank you for your help. > > Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com, EllenAdams@aol.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <199709091448.JAA12174@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> This is very useful information Ellen. Thanks so much! /Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Mon Sep 8 18:54 CDT 1997 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:54:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: EllenAdams@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 1360 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > In a message dated 97-09-08 12:28:26 EDT, you write: > > << Are some veggies higher in carbs than others? If so, does > anyone know where a breakdown of different veggie/carbohydrate > ratios can be found? > >> > > Here's what I found from various sources, but I don't really have any > background in this. > > A person should get 200-300 grams of carbohydrate per day (RDA). The amount > is a function of age, sex, activity level, etc. If you are getting less than > 60 grams per day your body could go into ketosis and burn body fat for > energy. Bad breath (like rotting fruit) is a symptom of ketosis. Whether > your body is in ketosis can be verified using urine test sticks available at > any drugstore. > > Here are some carb values for SCD foods: > > 2 T. Peanut butter 8g > 1 T. honey 17 g > 1 apple 19 g > 1 carrot 7 g > 1 c. lima beans 24 > 1 c. string beans 10g > 1 c. broccoli 5 g > 1 c. cauliflower 7g > 1 large eggplant 44 g > 1 cup onions 13 g > 1 c. spinach 6 g > 1 c. spaghetti squash 9g > 1 c. summer squash 5 g. > 1 c. coconut 12 g > 1 c. pinto beans 34 g. > 1 c. applesauce 50 g. > 1 c. apricots 54 g > 1 c. blackberries 59 g > 1 c. cranberries 12 g > 1 c. grapes 28 g > 1 c. apple juice 28 g > 1 c. plain yogurt 15 g > > I hope this is helpful. > > Ellen > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 11:44:36 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Request for information Message-ID: <9709091644.AA08232@swansong.amd.com> hi, you can search the NINE MILLION absracts (some dont have them) to you hearts content at http://ww4.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed (case insensitive ) for your search option chose MEDLINE i try things like colitis AND eicosanoid (case sensitive) or colitis AND chelation (the AND seems to be upper case sensistive) or "ulcerative colitis" you'll get too many to read all of them, but look at the MeSH terms at the bottom of each article for clues on what key words are common to your area of interest. ted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:20:54 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: RE: psyllium use Message-ID: <01BCBD0C.03A910C0@ppp59mer.cyberlynk.com> Dan said, Got a question for anyone ! JoEllen mentioned using Psyllium, even = though she had D. prior to starting the diet. I recall (I believe) Denise saying = that she sometimes used it to help with constipation. And doesn't Metamucil use = this ingredient (natural fibre). I have been using it also as I was told it = would help. Now I am wondering if perhaps it is more to help constipation and = should not be used when stools are loose. Any comments ? Dan, About a month ago someone in the group said I shouldn't use Metamucil, = so I stopped using it. After I stopped my sessions, in the bathroom got = worse. At first the stools were solid, but mixed with a lot of water; = then I got diarrhea that wouldn't stop. After putting up with this for a = week and a half, I decided to get back on the Metamucil. Within a couple = of days my stools were well formed. All I can say, for me, is that = Metamucil helps dry things up in my colon. My gastroentronologist says = Metamucil is the great equalizer--it stops both diarrhea and = constipation. Glenn P.S. Has anyone received an unintelligible attachment with this message? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:06:57 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: "skinning" beans Message-ID: <199709091810.LAA15588@cascade.pacificrim.net> Hi Stephanie, Another method is to run the cooked beans through a Foley (brand) food mill. You can get one for about 15 bucks. The end product is mashed beans. The food mill is usually used for getting seeds out of raspberries, and apple skins out of apple sauce, etc. Elaine suggested the food mill when I was having bloating problems with eating beans. I am wondering if Joaqim's method might be more thorough. Possibly little bits of skin still make it through the mill. Just thought I'd mention it in case you are not up to peeling each bean. Good luck. Lucy PS. I would suggest trying a small amount of the beans in the beginning, and see how you do. As I recall, if I had a bloating problem with them, it would take sometimes 2 weeks for whatever had set up camp in there to die off. ---------- > From: Joaquim Dias <jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Hello > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 4:47 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > After soaking the navy beans overnight, then cooking them, I still don't > >see how to get the skin off (short of doing each bean individually). I > >went ahead and tried the baked bean recipe and had a bad reaction (not > >sure if it was the beans, but I think so). How do you get the skin off of > >the beans? I'm open for suggestions. > > > > Stephanie, > > First, you soak the beans. Then, you take their skin off (at this stage it > is quite simple, although it takes some time). Finaly, you cook them. > > > Joaquim Dias in Lisbon > jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:43:14 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Brain fog Message-ID: <v01550101b0397fdfbd7a@[206.40.74.44]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >----------------------------------------------------------------- >>Denise, Carolyn, >> >>you write that you eat tons of food, protein and very little fruit and >>honey; I am wondering if your "brain fog" could come from not enough carbs? >>On this diet, we do have to really take care that we are getting >>enough...I don't think I do sometimes and am considering eating squash or >>zucchini, etc. for breakfast in addition to the yogurt and dry curd cottage >>combination, since I, too, can't tolerate much honey and very little fruit >>at this point (almost 3 mos. on diet). >>I think I'll run an experiment for the next week and have at least one >>vegetable high in carbs for breakfast in addition to my usual, and see if >>my "light headedness" and propensity to lie down a lot decreases! Also, >>the past 10 days or so, I have been having dull headaches! >> >>Will let you know if things change after having the added carbs for breakfast. >> >>Prateeksha > >Hi Prateeksha, > I think eating enough (specific) carbohydrates are a challenge for me, >but I don't tolerate them well. > > When I first started the diet I could hardly keep -any- food in me and >was losing weight like crazy. When I got really desparate, read the >beginning diet instructions over again and started over, it became a long, >patient, effort just to keep my tummy from rumbling, maintain my energy, >and keep me from getting D. (which I am still working on), etc. > > I've introduced fruits very slowly, and just can't seem to tolerate them >yet. Same with very much variation on vegetables. I still suspect honey, >although I am doing ok with it in almond bread. Even eggs give me D. >Cheese is still a problem. Has anyone else been this sensitive for this >long? or is it just me? I am much, much better. My reactions seem to be >less severe, which I take to be an improvement, and a matter of time before >my system can handle it. > > I eat butternut squash and hamburger for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I >vary it with chicken, fish, zucchini, raw tomatoes, avacado, cooked apple, >yogurt, almond bread (made with apple and butternut squash). > > I've been on the diet (almost properly) for about eight months and can't >quite shake the D. in the AM. Some days are better than others. Gets >worse, apparently during menstruation. > > I'd be interested in specific carbohydrate tips, too. Maybe I should try >eating butternut squash for a snack. Not very appetizing sounding, but it >might be worth a try. Recipe anyone? > >Best wishes, Carolyn Dear Carolyn, My body, also, is very, very sensitive and I have had very similar reaction to foods as you have and I've only been on the diet 3 months soon. Over the weekend, I beefed up my intake of vegetables I tolerate and noticed this morning in getting up that my legs were not "rubbery" and I didn't feel weak, as I have been feeling, so I think I'm on to something for me with respect to the weakness. I find avacado very tolerable and it is high in fat, so a good way to maintain the weight. Why not have a snack of avacado? I can tolerate grape juice only ... if I cut it with water by half, and grapes are very high in carbs. I usually take it as a "snack". If the banana is very ripe, I'm okay, otherwise...D. So, you and I will have to just go slower than some of the others, huh? Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:43:50 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <v01550103b03984f5ef3f@[206.40.74.44]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Liz, I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a breakdown by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed interested to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! Ellen? Prateeksha. >Hi again, > >Are some veggies higher in carbs than others? If so, does >anyone know where a breakdown of different veggie/carbohydrate >ratios can be found? > >Thanks alot, >Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:44:04 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Some very dairy questions Message-ID: <v01550102b039837d9717@[206.40.74.44]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Liz, I called Friendship Dairies ( #in the SCD book) and they told me that the cream is added before the cheese is made so that there is less than 1/2 of 1% of lactose in it. I recently tried Rachel's method (electric oven, using only the light bulb for heating the yogurt) and it works better than anything else I have tried, i.e. Donvier yogurt maker, heating pad, crock pot, plus...you can make so much more at one time! I make enough for a week and it seems to be fine. Prateeksha > >Good morning all, > >A couple of questions which I'd appreciate help with: > >1) How long can the homemade yoghurt stay fresh in the > refrigerator once it's been "cooked"? More than a > couple of days? > >2) Is Friendship Farmer's cheese ok to use? It's got > skim milk, cream and salt. > >3) I've not yet tried to make the yogurt. I'm extremely > intolerant to dairy at this time. In addition, > I cannot tolerate pro-biotic formulas at all either. > They make my symptoms worse. I will try the yoghurt > once I find a good stable 100-110 degree location to > cook it. Though, I worry. What if I can't tolerate > it, and I can't take pro-biotics? How do I get the > "good" bacteria in me? > >Kind regards, >Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:11:12 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Message-ID: <v01550100b03aeab82025@[206.40.74.47]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Stephanie, I've been on the diet almost 3 mos. I agree with you, this group is wonderful! >Hey, I did 1 pull-up yesterday! My strength seems to be improving. I' ve >actually had a good couple of days in a row, including strength, no pain, >and no D. I really think the energy difference has been the addition of >nut flour from the Hughson company. I had tried to grind my own, but >could not tolerate it. But I have had nut muffins since Thursday and saw >an almost immediate rise in energy. I am still struggling to get enough >carbs into the day, as I cannot eat anything that has not been cooked >beyond recognition. Fresh Fruits and Veggies are out (so is eating out I have been amazed at the difference in grinding my own nuts in the food processor and the ground nut flour from Hughson Nut Company. The muffins I made over the weekend are much more similar to muffins made with flour. I also have been experiencing more energy since I have been eating these nut flour muffins...also, I used Lucy's recently altered recipe for Barb Partridge's carrot cake that was given last week, and put even more carrots in it; however, they were a little (not much) too moist; next time I will just lower the heat to 315 and see if that makes them "perfect." I also made the zucchini muffins and I have one of each of these in addition to dry curd cottage cheese mixed with homemade yogurt or squash soup with yogurt for breakfast and I am feeling much stronger! >I have also been seeing a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine with very >good results. He has been very emphatic about me eating all of my food >and drink warmed or heated. It certainly feels good going down. Has >anyone else looked into this alternative path? It is also nice just to >have a doctor listen and care. I was in the care of an accupuncturist who practices Traditional Chinese Medicine, for about 8 months...it helped. His big thing with me was constantly encouraging me to sleep more...that the body needs lots of sleep to heal...and not drink anything cold! or too hot! Keep it at room temperature. Another jewel he gave me was when I complained about excruiating gas blockage that prompted me to want to call 911 if I could have gotten to a phone to come to the hospital. I told him how I had told my Kaiser gastroenterologist about this and that he had replied "it wouldn't have done any good...we couldn't have helped you." Dr. Lee said, "oh, just put heat on your belly, and it will go away." Well, I have done that a lot since then and it works like a charm!!!! Regards, Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-List@longisland.com Subject: Nut Flour..... Message-ID: <970909151342_-30694709@emout06.mail.aol.com> Could someone please post the e-mail address again as to where to get the Nut Flour. I seem to have misplaced it. Any information about this would be helpful. Thank you. Best Wishes..JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:18:03 -0500 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Cocoanut Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970909191803.009d6680@ntmail.normicro.com> Hello everyone, I've been eating the granola recipe with nuts, raisins and cocoanut and feel like I am having indigestion in the stomach area. I think it's the cocoanut because it happened before when I ate it. Does anybody else have trouble eating cocoanut? Thanks. Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:20:10 +0200 From: Odd Oivind Bergstad <oddb@stovner.vgs.no> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Minerals and Brain Fog Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970909202010.00687b6c@vgs.sn.no> At 17:58 08.09.97 -0700, you wrote: >By the way, I heard recently in a conversation >with Odd from Denmark that magnesium deficiency can contribute to iron >deficiency anemia. Hey everybody. Mik lives in Denmark. I am still in Oslo in Norway... Odd Oivind ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:27:04 PST From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA> To: scdlist2 <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: goodbye Message-ID: <9404271309091997/A03135/VANHQ1/11B94B5B0300*@MHS> To all fellow scdlist members, I have to leave the list for now because I just started school at night and I work during the day, so I won't have time to read or participate for a while. I'll probably re-subscribe in a few months or so. Until then, goodbye to all, and thanks for all the support and help you've given me in the past year or so. I've really valued this list and it helped me a lot. Everyone is welcome to e-mail me personally at benkea@mailhost.pac.dfo.ca I'd love to hear from any of you every now and then. Anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:30:05 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium use Message-ID: <3415B1CD.7DD4E11D@bedford.net> > >had D. prior to starting the diet. I recall (I believe) Denise > saying that she > >sometimes used it to help with constipation. And doesn't Metamucil > use this > >ingredient (natural fibre). I have been using it also as I was told > it would > Metamucil contains sugar -- not allowed, so I hope your not using it. I think previous posts have said the pysillum seed husks are ok, now whether or not it helps D, I can't say -- about 4 years ago, my gastro guy suggested it once: "To add some more bulk and firm it up" he said. I didn't notice any difference, but then again what did I use: Metamucil!! > >help. Now I am wondering if perhaps it is more to help constipation > and should > >not be used when stools are loose. Any comments ? > > > >Thanks... Dan. bill miller@bedford.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 23:48:41 +0200 From: mik@inform-bbs.dk (mik aidt) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Fax from Elaine (Sept 8) Message-ID: <423952350.28767010@inform-bbs.dk> Hi Everyone, I received a copy of a fax that Elaine has sent to Lotte Wackerhagen, (the woman who has translated "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" into Danish). Lotte's questions to Elaine had been: 1) if she could enclose some Danish recipes in the Danish edition of the book 2) if a doctor who Lotte knows could add his comments to the book 3) what Elaine would think of if we convinced a Danish (organic) dairy to begin to produce 24-hour lactose free yoghurt. This is Elaine's answer - some of which I think has a general interest. Yours, Mik ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Fax from Elaine Gottschall To: Lotte Wackerhagen Date: September 8, 1997 Before answering the questions about recipes, I would like to address two main issues: (1) the changes and additions that your doctor would like to make and (2) why commercial yoghurt is unsatisfactory and SHOULD NOT BE USED. The second question has been asked me constantly by many people and I have almost run out of patience in going over the biochemistry of this. So, if Mik Aidt would put it into his repository of information on the SCD, I would be most grateful. 1. The medical doctor is not a research scientist and most do not follow research findings. I do not know what group hands down his protocol for patients but they usually have one thing in mind: CRISIS INTERVENTION. This is often diametrically opposed to restoring real health. For example, most people with inflammatory bowel disease have iron-deficiency anemia and sometimes, pernicious anemia. To give iron supplements and iron injections for a very short period is OK but hardly, if ever, resolves the problem. In fact, the oral iron supplements generally exacerbate the intestinal problem and are known to increase bacterial infections. (The research into this area fills volumes). The proper way to treat would be to make sure sufficient folic acid and B-12 are given (often by injections) and try to get the patient to eat eggs and liver and iron found in the hemoglobin of animal foods. Of course, the best way to treat is to cure the diarrhea which is preventing the absorption of all nutrients, vitamins, minerals, calories. 2. Commercial yoghurt Practically every dairy in Northern America has Dept. of Agriculture instructions for making commercial yoghurt. They may start with liquid milk straight from the cow (pasteurized) or they may start with milk solids. However, at the beginning, the ADD additional milk solids. This automatically increases the lactose content. For example, if cow's milk originally has 10% lactose (10 gms per 100 mls) then the addition brings it up to 20% or even 30%. The second step is to introduce the bacterial cultures (usually Lactobacillus Bulgaricus and Steptococcus Thermophilus). At this point the acid/base - the pH of the milk - is much like human fluid, around 7.2-7.3 (almost neutral on the pH scale). The bacteria immediately start converting the lactose to lactic acid which is the primary step in making yoghurt. This brings the pH down from neutral to about 4.5 as the lactic ACID accumulates. (Acid lowers pH as our stomach acid brings the pH of our stomachs down to about 2). When the pH hits about 4.5, the bacterial enzymes cannot further convert the remaining lactose. Bacterial enzymes (as is true of all enzymes) are very fastidious as to the acid/alkaline enviroment. Because of the addetional lactose added at the beginning of the process, the yoghurt often contains at this stage as much, and probably more, lactose than a glass of milk would. The companies also use a very short incubation time which is not even sufficient to convert normal milk lactose completely. Dr. Sidney Haas instructed us to make our own yoghurt. I DID!!! When I studied, I had to learn manufacturing techniques and I did to the best of my ability. I never dreamed that people who are sick as those with IBD would challenge and question and balk at this. It is beyond my ability to understand. Concerning the suggested Appendix Yes, it would be great to give your explanation of the cheeses. The two recipes for liverspread and dry curd would be a helpful addition. However, the dry curd is only necessary for the baby formula and the Lois Lang bread. It seems very complicated (more so than the yoghurt) and they really do not have to have that bread - the muffins are really quite sufficient. By the way, for those who do make the bread, if one puts a slice of it in hte microwave for about 40 secs. (one needs to experiment) you have a crunchy cracker. (...) ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <970909181605_841457227@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a breakdown by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed interested to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable nutrition program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will tally up the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program which is downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I think--evidently the full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and picked out the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place I downloaded it from is: ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's menus that would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% of the fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This is relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). Anyway, it was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate counters"--small books that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy shortcut that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to keep their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would want to minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or cut them back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can optionally be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 17:37:42 PDT From: "BILL" <btren@bestweb.net> To: "SCD LIST" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: brain fog Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.007472656e2020203030303530303035@MAPI.to.RFC822> I have had virtually no success in getting messages posted lately, but I will try again. I love the discussions about brain fog. I thought that this was about the weirdest symptom of them all. I couldn't explain to people that I felt like I was completely in a fog all the time. I found on the sheet that came with the Rowasa that one of the side effects was dizziness and headaches. This and Cortifoam were the only meds I used. That was the end of them. The diet did it for me without any drugs at all! I can't remember what had any real effect on the spaciness, but sticking to the plan got rid of all the symptoms eventually. It's been about two months now that I feel completely normal, and sticking to the plan for sure. Good luck to all Bill ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #34 ********************** SCD-list Wed, 10 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 35 In this issue: Re: Fibromyalia skinning beans Re: Fibromyalia Re: Nut Flour..... Re: "skinning" beans cream of tartar question Re: skinning beans About to start the diet Re: About to start the diet Re: About to start the diet Re: psyllium use food questions Re: dairy intolerance? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 19:49:21 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fibromyalia Message-ID: <9709100049.AA08394@swansong.amd.com> hi is fibromyali and Fibro Myalgia the same disease ? ted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:36:35 -0400 From: Tim Grogan <tgperson@magicnet.net> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: skinning beans Message-ID: <01BCBD68.A1EF6340@pm27-24.magicnet.net> Lucy, Thanks for the info on the Foley food mill. Sounds like this could be very helpful. Do you have any info on where or how to get one? Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:04:18 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fibromyalia Message-ID: <l03010d00b03bbe93121a@[199.171.4.135]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >hi > >is fibromyali and Fibro Myalgia the same disease ? > >ted Dear Ted, I don't know. I have fibromyalgia. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nut Flour..... Message-ID: <970909182236_548858727@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-09 15:15:59 EDT, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------- Could someone please post the e-mail address again as to where to get the Nut Flour. I seem to have misplaced it. Any information about this would be helpful. >> Hughson's can be reached via email at: hughsonnut@earthlink.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:06:00 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "skinning" beans Message-ID: <34168D28.713F2DAF@emory.edu> Has anyone else had this "bloating" problem? I was having it when I was not quite in the state of remission I find myself, and it scared me away from the beans. More specifically, has anyone out there who has gotten "better" from the diet gone on to eat the beans without any problems? I'd love to eat them again, since they are so cheap compared to other "legal" foodstuffs like almond flour, but I'm scared it might make me sick again... Rosset wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Stephanie, > Another method is to run the cooked beans through a Foley (brand) food > > mill. You can get one for about 15 bucks. The end product is mashed > beans. > The food mill is usually used for getting seeds out of raspberries, > and > apple skins out of apple sauce, etc. Elaine suggested the food mill > when I > was having bloating problems with eating beans. I am wondering if > Joaqim's > method might be more thorough. Possibly little bits of skin still make > it > through the mill. > Just thought I'd mention it in case you are not up to peeling each > bean. > Good luck. > Lucy > PS. I would suggest trying a small amount of the beans in the > beginning, > and see how you do. As I recall, if I had a bloating problem with > them, it > would take sometimes 2 weeks for whatever had set up camp in there to > die > off. > > ---------- > > From: Joaquim Dias <jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt> > > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Subject: Re: Hello > > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 4:47 AM > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > After soaking the navy beans overnight, then cooking them, I > still > don't > > >see how to get the skin off (short of doing each bean > individually). I > > >went ahead and tried the baked bean recipe and had a bad reaction > (not > > >sure if it was the beans, but I think so). How do you get the skin > off > of > > >the beans? I'm open for suggestions. > > > > > > > Stephanie, > > > > First, you soak the beans. Then, you take their skin off (at this > stage > it > > is quite simple, although it takes some time). Finaly, you cook > them. > > > > > > Joaquim Dias in Lisbon > > jdias@civil.ist.utl.pt > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 12:17:12 -0500 From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: cream of tartar question Message-ID: <1338228189-323212@mailhost.triplesoft.com> Hi there, Does anyone recall whether cream or tartar is mentioned in Elaine's book as allowed or not allowed on the specific carbohydrate diet? Thanks, <renee> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:31:36 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: skinning beans Message-ID: <v01550100b03c194e3c8c@[206.40.74.47]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lucy, > >Thanks for the info on the Foley food mill. Sounds like this could be very >helpful. Do you have any info on where or how to get one? > >Stephanie Dear Stephanie, I bought one yesterday...at Whole Earth in San Rafael, California! $29.00 plus tax. Foley's brand. Probably a lot of department stores (Macy's) who have a kitchen accessories department would have them; also gourmet kitchen accessory shops that are sometimes in malls. Good luck! Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:39 +0000 From: "Ron Leach" <ron@baldhead.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: About to start the diet Message-ID: <199709101709.NAA02542@baldhead.com> Hello everybody: I was diagnosed with UC approximately 5 months ago and have been taking Mesasol (5-Aminosalic Acid) ever since. It usually works well but I've got to take quite a bit of it. I will be starting the SC Diet on Monday. In preparation for this I was hoping somebody may be able to give me some advice on what to expect. For example, does the lack of carbohydrate in your diet cause physical problems? Have you initially experienced much weight loss / gain? I would appreciate any info. Also, is anyboby else taking Mesasol? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:52:30 -0400 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: About to start the diet Message-ID: <8525650E.005F8007.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> Hi Ron, I have been on and off the diet now for about 11 months. The best advise I could give, and I think everyone would agree with me, would be to promise yourself that you will stick to the diet. Because I did not faithfully stick to the diet, I feel I not only cheat myself, but also slowed down my progress to recovery. Anyhow, when I began the diet I felt very sluggish, but I have found that the nut flour has provided me my much needed energy. At the start of diet I had a hard time tolerating vegetables even when I cooked them for a long time--they provided alot of gas to me, but I found that when I added a few drops of BEANO (found in supermarkets) to my vegetables I was able to tolerate them. During the first few weeks of the diet, you will probably lose some weight. If you are overly concerned about this, the nut flour provides alot of calories. Also, I recently learned from someone that avacados are fattening, so Buon Appetit!!!! Let us know how you are doing. In addition to the diet I take Pentasa (16 pills a day), but I am hoping that I will ween off of them in the near future. Stay Well & Make the Promise to Yourself!!!!!!!! Lynn ron @ baldhead.com Wednesday September 10, 1997 08:57 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list @ longisland.com cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) Subject: About to start the diet -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everybody: I was diagnosed with UC approximately 5 months ago and have been taking Mesasol (5-Aminosalic Acid) ever since. It usually works well but I've got to take quite a bit of it. I will be starting the SC Diet on Monday. In preparation for this I was hoping somebody may be able to give me some advice on what to expect. For example, does the lack of carbohydrate in your diet cause physical problems? Have you initially experienced much weight loss / gain? I would appreciate any info. Also, is anyboby else taking Mesasol? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:36:32 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: About to start the diet Message-ID: <3416E8B0.6280F873@emory.edu> Hi Ron! Welcome to the SCD group. I was in your position about a year and a half ago. When I received the book, I laughed to myself...HA! ME GIVE UP PIZZA? ICE CREAM? BEER? Well, I figured I'd give it a shot. Your experience will differ depending on how sick you are. If you have diareah now, it is harder to start the diet, since alot of the food can be irritating to an irritated stomach. If you are reasnably in good shape, you're in luck, and you can go full steam into the diet. Prepare yourself to spend some time shopping and cooking. Learn to enjoy cooking. Trust me, this is going to be a lifelong journey, so go out and get some good non-stick pots and pans and tools that you will enjoy working with. Order some almond flour and freeze it (Hughson nut company offers us a discount, their number is 209 883 0403. You can get dry curd cottage cheese (trust me, you can make awesome desserts) from Stewarts in Vermont at 802 259 2311. No, I don't have stock in these companies, but try to find substitutes, and let us know! Also get a yoghurt maker and eat yoghurt every day, which will help balance the bacteria in your tummy so that the healing process goes smoother. Initally, it's hard to maintain a food supply, but once you develop the habits, you won't miss the "illegal" foods much, since the diet is all tastey and healthy. You may have some initial reactions as your system adjusts, like being hungry. I was worried about cholesterol initally, eating lots of eggs and nuts. But mine has gone down since being on the diet. If you are somewhat symptomatic now, you will first notice that your bowel movements per day will decrease, as the swelling and mucus diminish. This is because your system isn't trying to process all those complex carbos that it can't handle at this stage. In time, with proper diet (the SCD!) your health will be restored, and you will be able to process ccomplex carbos, some day way in the future! I expecct to be on the diet for life, because I think that I'm pre-disposed to UC. If I quit the diet, I'll be OK for a brief period, and I wouldn't want to run the risk of getting really sick again. I gained weight on the diet, but only to the point of my prelove-handles days, which is 155 lbs I was 165 when I had "love handles" I've never had much access weight. I believe that I am at my optimum weight now, after being on the diet for 1.5 years, and eating to my heart's content. Good Luck! Ron Leach wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everybody: > I was diagnosed with UC approximately 5 months ago and have been > taking Mesasol (5-Aminosalic Acid) ever since. It usually works well > but I've got to take quite a bit of it. > I will be starting the SC Diet on Monday. In preparation for this I > was hoping somebody may be able to give me some advice on what to > expect. For example, does the lack of carbohydrate in your diet cause > physical problems? Have you initially experienced much weight loss / > gain? > I would appreciate any info. > > Also, is anyboby else taking Mesasol? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:22:10 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Cc: dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca (Dan Woods) Subject: Re: psyllium use Message-ID: <9709101922.AA155390@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi, Thanks for the responses. I guess I will continue to use it since I stopped for a few days to test for any reaction. Things did not get worse. I use a product called "Herbal Fibre Formula 13" which contains Psyllium husks, black walnut, butternut bark, chinese rhubarb root, chinese licorice root, bentonite, and fennel seed. Do you think any of these other ingredients are a problem ? P.S. Glenn, I have never used Metamucil, and never will. Also, your last posts have been coming in fine (thanks for fixing). Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:53:17 -0400 From: "Deborah L. Whitmire" <dlwhitmire@mindspring.com> To: SCD-list <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: food questions Message-ID: <3416FAAD.DE0DB2FE@mindspring.com> Hello everyone, I've been on the diet for a week now & cannot believe I'm still alive! It was very rough the first 3 days...so hungry! Is xanthan gum an allowed ingredient or is it a starch/thickener? Someone asked this before but I never saw an answer. Also, if "natural" juices and "all-fruit" jams,etc. have "puree" or "concentrate" in them, should they be avoided? Welch's grape juice was previously recommended, but it has grape juice concentrate as one of its ingredients. I think it was Anna who had a lemondade recipe and I see she's gone for a while. Does anyone else have a recipe they could share? Finally, does anyone know how to substitute the almond flour for regular flours, for example: does 1c. plain flour = 1c. almond flour? Thanks, Debbie in Raleigh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:51:58 -0500 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dairy intolerance? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970910195158.009db958@ntmail.normicro.com> Hello everyone, I've been on the diet now for over a year and have never been able to tolerate the Yoghurt and I know with all the good advice about making it, I have been following the instructions precisely. I would like to know if there is anybody out there who once had a problem with Yoghurt and got over it after a few months on the diet. Would it be worthwhile to try it again? Has Elaine ever commented on this? Thanks for any input. Best wishes Roberta ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #35 ********************** SCD-list Thu, 11 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 36 In this issue: Re: skinning beans Re: cream of tartar question Babaganoush babaganoush Taking it slowly & Carbohydrate Snack Re: dairy intolerance? Foley food mill Cold Chicken Divan Registered: Hazel Pelham Re: cream of tartar question Re: cream of tartar question some answers about permitted foods Yogurt Victory (?) Re: probably a dumb question Re: Cold Chicken Divan Re: Veggie Carbs Re: Veggie Carbs Re: Veggie Carbs Re: Veggie Carbs -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: skinning beans Message-ID: <970910211613_1862507503@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-10 12:29:00 EDT, you write: << I bought one yesterday...at Whole Earth in San Rafael, California! $29.00 plus tax. Foley's brand. Probably a lot of department stores (Macy's) who have a kitchen accessories department would have them; also gourmet kitchen accessory shops that are sometimes in malls. >> I looked at my local health food store (Whole Foods) and they only had juicers. I also checked the Chef's Catalog and Williams and Sonoma Catalog. It may be that this food mill is not as broadly available as one might think. If you have trouble finding one in your area you might look at a potato ricer. It's designed to produce mashed potatoes from unpeeled potatoes--the potato middle goes into the bowl and the skin remains behind. Williams and Sonoma offers one for $12.00. They advocate it for potatoes, turnips, yams, and carrots (I guess they just didn't think of peeling beans!). Their phone number is 1-800-541-2233 and the item number is 54-1094374. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cream of tartar question Message-ID: <970910212716_-1433960397@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-10 13:07:07 EDT, you write: << Does anyone recall whether cream or tartar is mentioned in Elaine's book as allowed or not allowed on the specific carbohydrate diet? >> I thought it wasn't allowed but when I looked I couldn't find any reference to it (I think I was thinking of arrowroot). I know what it can be used for (stabilizing beaten eggs whites for merengue comes to mind) but I suddenly realized that I don't actually know what it is. Websters to the rescue! Creme of Tartar first appeared 1662 : a white crystalline salt used esp. in baking powder and in certain treatments of metals. If it's just a salt, I'm guessing it would be fine. Anyone else? Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:18:37 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Babaganoush Message-ID: <199709110111.SAA28985@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Hi everyone, I've been meaning to post this for a while (ever since I made Lucy's quiche a couple of weeks ago).The quiche was such a hit that I thought I should maybe contribute a recipe in return. Her cocanut cookies were also a big hit. Anyway this has become a staple in our house. If you've tried and liked the eggplant soup in the book, then you are bound to enjoy this as well. I like to put sweet red peppers in it as well (which I roast along with the eggplant), but the actual recipe doesn't call for it. you'll need: 1. 2 large eggplants 2. 2 sweet red bell or other large peppers (optional) 3. 3 large cloves of garlic, peeled and crushed 4. 4 tablespoons tahini(sesame butter)...If you can't get this or don't like it,you can leave it out, especially if you add the peppers. 5. 5 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. This is supposed to be floated on the top as a garnish. We just mix it in though. that way we can serve ourselves right out of the tupperware container in the refridgerator 6. the juice of one large lemon or lime 7, chopped parsley garnish (if it isn't fresh, don't bother) 8. a blender. I strongly recommend a hand blender, it's easier to use and clean. This should make about a quart. Here we go: 1. Remove the pan from your broiler, and line a large baking pan with foil 2 remove the green caps from the stem end of the eggplants or puncture them with a fork. If you don't, they may blow up. Trust me, I know. 3. Put eggplants and peppers (if you are using them) in the pan, and put the pan in your broiler. If your broiler pan will adjust to a low enough position, you could use the broiler pan of course. 4. Broil them until the skin of the eggplants is brown and crackly, and the peppers are black. turn them from time to time during this so that they cook evenly. 5. Remove when done, and cut the eggplants in two lengthwise. Scoop the inside into a bowl and discard the skin. 6. remove the burnt pepper skins, the stems, and the cores. I usually do this in water(running or in a bowl), its really easy that way. Cut the peppers into strips and throw in with the eggplant. 7. Add remaining ingredients and blend into a paste. 8. salt to taste Now, remember that pan from the broiler which you lined with foil? Don't throw that juice out. Drink it or add it to the babaganoush. It is really tasty. This looks like a lot of work, but it really isn't. And besides, you just made enough for several meals! Enjoy, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:37:38 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: babaganoush Message-ID: <199709110130.SAA29230@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Hi, I forgot to mention that you can make the same recipe substituting cooked winter squash for the eggplant. I've never tried this, and I don't know if the peppers would still go, but it would be less trouble, and also maybe you can't eat eggplant yet. bye, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:34:38 -0500 From: hullc@mindspring.com (C. S. Hull) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Taking it slowly & Carbohydrate Snack Message-ID: <v01510103b03d23880d6e@[207.69.244.200]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Patreeksha wrote: >Dear Carolyn, > >My body, also, is very, very sensitive and I have had very similar reaction >to foods as you have and I've only been on the diet 3 months soon. Over >the weekend, I beefed up my intake of vegetables I tolerate and noticed >this morning in getting up that my legs were not "rubbery" and I didn't >feel weak, as I have been feeling, so I think I'm on to something for me >with respect to the weakness. I find avacado very tolerable and it is high >in fat, so a good way to maintain the weight. Why not have a snack of >avacado? I can tolerate grape juice only ... if I cut it with water by >half, and grapes are very high in carbs. I usually take it as a "snack". >If the banana is very ripe, I'm okay, otherwise...D. So, you and I will >have to just go slower than some of the others, huh? > >Prateeksha Dear Prateeksha and Everyone, I don't know why, but it feels so good to hear that I am not alone with my experiences. Avacado is a solid stand-by for me, too! Same with grape juice, cut with water. I've worried about not getting a varied enough diet, but when I listen...really listen...to the reaction of my body, I feel a lot better about taking it slowly. Thank you for sharing. Best of health to you. Carolyn PS...Just writing to you all on this subject of getting more carbohydrates made me realize I just needed to be more creative with what I -can- tolerate. I experimented with a butternut squash snack by making like a pumpkin pie filling. It's great, and helps keep my energy up. :) Denise, thanks for your encouragement on the minerals. I'll look into it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:08:24 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: dairy intolerance? Message-ID: <199709110521.WAA20094@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Roberta, I used to have problems with the yogurt, until I switched to Yogourmet powdered starter. I use a Yogourmet electric yogurt maker, and I let it go at least 30 hours. I can now eat yogurt morning, noon, and night, without any trouble. I almost always make it with the 1/2 & 1/2. Do you have problems with cheese? Cheese agreed with me from day one. Good luck. Lucy ---------- > From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: dairy intolerance? > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 12:51 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everyone, > > I've been on the diet now for over a year and have never been able to > tolerate the Yoghurt and I know with all the good advice about making it, I > have been following the instructions precisely. > > > I would like to know if there is anybody out there who once had a problem > with Yoghurt and got over it after a few months on the diet. Would it be > worthwhile to try it again? Has Elaine ever commented on this? > > Thanks for any input. > > Best wishes > > Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:21:27 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: "SCD-list" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Foley food mill Message-ID: <199709110526.WAA20336@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Ellen, I found the Foley food mill at a store that carried a lot of canning supplies, since it's often used for removing seeds to make berry jams and jellies. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:23:53 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: "SCD-list" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Cold Chicken Divan Message-ID: <199709110527.WAA20370@cascade.pacificrim.net> The Chicken Divan recipe that jcorless sent in is especially good in leftover form (cold). I brought some with me on a weekend trip and it was a real treat. Since it has the chicken and broccoli, it makes a convenient meal when away from home. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:17:36 +0100 From: hazel.pelham@bbc.co.uk (Hazel Pelham) To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-list) Subject: Registered: Hazel Pelham Message-ID: <1997Sep11.101213.1772.1425037@pu-smtp.radio.bbc.co.uk> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:18:43 -0500 From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cream of tartar question Message-ID: <v03102801b03d9f5579ce@[129.186.242.88]> I believe cream of tartar is OK for the SCD diet. I have made little apple pies using it: cut up your apples and simmer with honey and cinnamon. Then dish up in little pyrex custard cups. Make meringue (whip egg whites, a little honey and some cream of tartar until stiff peaks form). Spoon the meringue on top of apples, sealing to the sides of the custard cups. Bake at 325 or 350 (look in your regular cookbook under meringue pies) for 10-15 min. until meringue turns golden. They are delicious and fun to eat and they look real pretty! --Maureen S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 09:31:46 -0500 From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: cream of tartar question Message-ID: <1338151714-4922978@mailhost.triplesoft.com> Thanks Ellen and Maureen for sharing info about cream of tartar. Also, thanks, Maureen, for that wonderful apple pie meringue recipe. Can't wait to try it. :) Sincerely, <renee> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:06:50 PDT From: "T G" <tguar@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: some answers about permitted foods Message-ID: <199709111406.HAA05939@f52.hotmail.com> I'm pretty sure that cream has lactose in it and is not allowed. It can be used for making yogurt, however. Also homemade tartar sauce might be okay, but I imagine most store bought brands would have sugar or starch in them, similar to mayonaise. Xantham gum is not allowed because it is a polysaccharide. Juices that say "all natural" may still have sugar added so be sure to read the ingredients. Juices that say "100% pure" or "no sugar added" are usually okay. I'm pretty sure that concentrated juice is okay. Jams are not allowed because of their pectin content, regardless of whether they are "all fruit" or not. There is a recipe for jam in the book, but I have never tried it myself. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:18:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt Victory (?) Message-ID: <199709111418.JAA18915@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> I don't know if anyone is interested, but I wanted to share the story about my first experience making yoghurt. I used: 1) A Salton yogurt maker 2) 4 cups of 1/2 and 1/2 3) 1 cup of whole milk plain yogurt (as starter) I cooked it for 36 hours. The result? The thickest, richest yogurt I ever saw. It's so thick, it's almost solid. I hope I made it right. I just doubled Elaine's french cream recipe. It's not sweet by any stretch of the imagination, but for someone who's been off of sugar and dairy for over a year, it was pure heaven! It tastes like a cross between yogurt and sour cream. The status: No immediate reaction (colon-wise). I'll give it 24- hours to see if there's any sort of delayed reaction. If not, I'm the happiest Crohnie around today. Thanks everyone for the hints and tips on yogurt making. Regards/Liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:46:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: probably a dumb question Message-ID: <199709111446.JAA18993@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> ----- Begin Included Message ----- From exuliz Thu Sep 11 08:57:52 1997 To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Subject: Re: probably a dumb question Content-Length: 1001 Hi, I've had numbing/tingling in several of my fingers (especially in the left hand) on and off for the last year. I believe mine started when I used Flagyl (metronidazole) for my CD. I have taken 12-15 courses of Flagyl over the last two years. I try not to take it at all now (even though it's always helped me with flare-ups). > From owner-scd@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Thu Sep 11 05:20 CDT 1997 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:20:55 +0300 > Reply-To: IBD-Diet Discussion List <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> > Sender: IBD-Diet Discussion List <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> > From: acbrill <acbrill@ESCORTNET.COM> > Subject: probably a dumb question > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 234 > > has anyone ever experience numbing of the fingers connected to intestinal > problems??? > even this sounds weird to me...but it's happening.. > it ca't be related to intestinal problems!! can it?? > > ar. > > > (ÙøÙ) > acbrill@escortnet.com > ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Cold Chicken Divan Message-ID: <970911125612_314224328@emout04.mail.aol.com> Hi everyone! The Chicken Divan recipe sounds very good. I must have missed that posting. Would anyone mind repeating that one? Thank you..JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:33:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <199709111833.NAA19072@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Ellen, Try as I may, I was not able to reach the web site you reference below. Has anyone had any luck doing so? Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 9 17:19 CDT 1997 > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: EllenAdams@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 1811 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: > > << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a breakdown > by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed interested > to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> > > Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable nutrition > program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will tally up > the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program which is > downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I think--evidently the > full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and picked out > the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place I > downloaded it from is: > > ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip > It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's menus that > would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% of the > fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This is > relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). Anyway, it > was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate counters"--small books > that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy shortcut > that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. > > I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to keep > their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would want to > minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or cut them > back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can optionally > be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. > > Ellen > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:51:36 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <34183DB8.85539E99@emory.edu> Here's an EXCELLENT site on carbs. Enjoy! Elizabeth Liener wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Ellen, > > Try as I may, I was not able to reach the web site you reference > below. Has anyone had any luck doing so? > > Regards/Liz > > > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 9 17:19 CDT 1997 > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) > > From: EllenAdams@aol.com > > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs > > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Content-Type> : > text> > > Content-Length: 1811 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: > > > > << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a > breakdown > > by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed > interested > > to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> > > > > Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable > nutrition > > program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will > tally up > > the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program > which is > > downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I > think--evidently the > > full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and > picked out > > the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place > I > > downloaded it from is: > > > > ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip > > It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's > menus that > > would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% > of the > > fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This > is > > relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). > Anyway, it > > was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate > counters"--small books > > that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy > shortcut > > that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. > > > > I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to > keep > > their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would > want to > > minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or > cut them > > back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can > optionally > > be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. > > > > Ellen > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:52:17 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <34183DE0.D4C3529F@emory.edu> Here's an EXCELLENT site on carbs. Enjoy! http://hudson.idt.net/~cnfrmtn9/ Elizabeth Liener wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Ellen, > > Try as I may, I was not able to reach the web site you reference > below. Has anyone had any luck doing so? > > Regards/Liz > > > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 9 17:19 CDT 1997 > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) > > From: EllenAdams@aol.com > > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs > > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Content-Type> : > text> > > Content-Length: 1811 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: > > > > << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a > breakdown > > by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed > interested > > to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> > > > > Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable > nutrition > > program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will > tally up > > the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program > which is > > downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I > think--evidently the > > full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and > picked out > > the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place > I > > downloaded it from is: > > > > ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip > > It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's > menus that > > would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% > of the > > fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This > is > > relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). > Anyway, it > > was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate > counters"--small books > > that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy > shortcut > > that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. > > > > I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to > keep > > their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would > want to > > minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or > cut them > > back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can > optionally > > be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. > > > > Ellen > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:07:59 -0500 From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <v0310280ab03df1c7da54@[129.186.242.88]> Is this some kind of joke? This web site is about cars ! May I make a suggestion? I may need to unsubscribe because I am getting too many messages. Can we limit our messages to those that have substance? Maureen >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Here's an EXCELLENT site on carbs. Enjoy! >http://hudson.idt.net/~cnfrmtn9/ >Elizabeth Liener wrote: > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hi Ellen, >> >> Try as I may, I was not able to reach the web site you reference >> below. Has anyone had any luck doing so? >> >> Regards/Liz >> >> > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 9 17:19 CDT 1997 >> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) >> > From: EllenAdams@aol.com >> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs >> > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> > Content-Type> : > text> >> > Content-Length: 1811 >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > SCD MAILING LIST >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: >> > >> > << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a >> breakdown >> > by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed >> interested >> > to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> >> > >> > Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable >> nutrition >> > program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will >> tally up >> > the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program >> which is >> > downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I >> think--evidently the >> > full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and >> picked out >> > the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place >> I >> > downloaded it from is: >> > >> > ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip >> > It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's >> menus that >> > would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% >> of the >> > fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This >> is >> > relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). >> Anyway, it >> > was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate >> counters"--small books >> > that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy >> shortcut >> > that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. >> > >> > I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to >> keep >> > their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would >> want to >> > minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or >> cut them >> > back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can >> optionally >> > be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. >> > >> > Ellen >> > >> > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #36 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 12 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 37 In this issue: Re: Cold Chicken Divan Re: food questions Re: Veggie Carbs Re: Fibromyalia food ruit salad recipe burnt cookies -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:47:32 -0500 From: "jcorless" <jcorless@dhc.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Cold Chicken Divan Message-ID: <199709120138.UAA23000@dhc.net> Here it is again, enjoy!! Jim We have had this casserole several times and thought we would share it with everyone. Chicken Divan Casserole 2 packages frozen broccoli 2 cups cooked chicken or turkey, cubed 1 1/2 cups yogurt 1 teaspoon lemon juice 1/2 teaspoon curry Mix together and place in greased 13X9 baking pan. Top with 1/2 cup shredded cheddar cheese. Bake at 350 for 30 minutes. ---------- > From: BCohen7014@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Cold Chicken Divan > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:58 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi everyone! > > The Chicken Divan recipe sounds very good. I must have missed that posting. > Would anyone mind repeating that one? Thank you..JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: food questions Message-ID: <970910213851_708459063@emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-10 15:50:45 EDT, you write: << Finally, does anyone know how to substitute the almond flour for regular flours, for example: does 1c. plain flour = 1c. almond flour? >> I have very little experience with it (I've only been on the diet a few weeks) but when I adapt a recipe I try to account for the fact that the almond flour is about 60% oil. I try to reduce the overall fat in the recipe to account for this. This often means leaving out the butter in a baking recipe. So far, results have been good. I think the most challenging aspect of baking with this diet is that you have no truly dry ingredients--so it's easy for things to end up soggy/oily. Oh...and the honey. Try substituting honey for sugar in less than 1:1 ratio. Honey is sweeter and can easily be cloying. Substitute honey for sugar by using 80% of the volume called for, and reduce the liquids a bit (eliminate 1/4 c. of liquid for each cup of honey used). Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:48:41 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs Message-ID: <34194838.B70E137@emory.edu> Elizabeth Liener wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Ellen, > > Try as I may, I was not able to reach the web site you reference > below. Has anyone had any luck doing so? > The "site" ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip is actually a file that you can download. Please note that there is no "www or http, but rather an "ftp" which stands for "file transfer protocol. You can download this file to your hard drive, decompress it and then read it. PS I apologize for the link to the site on carburators, (get it.. carbs?) I am naturally very prone to inappropriate silliness. I too am feeling "hassled" by all the messages I have to go through, and understand the need to keep the message board focused on the diet and not to veer off unnecessarily. I guess in my case, I am feeling so good lately that I'm starting to get a bit loopy. I will exercise the upmost restraint when I get future silly urges, particularly relative to this important service. > Regards/Liz > > > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 9 17:19 CDT 1997 > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) > > From: EllenAdams@aol.com > > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Subject: Re: Veggie Carbs > > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > Content-Type> : > text> > > Content-Length: 1811 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 97-09-09 14:42:20 EDT, you write: > > > > << I'm wondering the same thing! On August 21, Ellen gave such a > breakdown > > by the cup, no less, of a few foods in our diet, and I am indeed > interested > > to learn how she came up with this very vital information?! >> > > > > Well, I looked around the web and came up with a downloadable > nutrition > > program. It's designed so that you can plan your menus and it will > tally up > > the calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. The demo program > which is > > downloadable only has a limited number of foods (600 I > think--evidently the > > full program has 8000 foods). I just browsed the demo program and > picked out > > the ones that were relevant to the diet. I'm pretty sure the place > I > > downloaded it from is: > > > > ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/food/ngcrd45.zip > > It was interesting to play around with. I made up a sample day's > menus that > > would comply with SCD and it had 180% of the protein required, 180% > of the > > fat, 120% of the calories, and only 80% of the carbohydrates. (This > is > > relative to the RDA based on age, sex, weight, activity level). > Anyway, it > > was interesting. I know that they sell "carbohydrate > counters"--small books > > that list the carbohydrate values in foods--but this was an easy > shortcut > > that didn't require a trip to the bookstore. > > > > I think that those who want to gain weight on this diet will need to > keep > > their carbs up, and that those who might have weight to lose would > want to > > minimize them. Honey appears to be the easiest way to add carbs (or > cut them > > back) since it is packed with carbs (17 g per Tablespoon), and can > optionally > > be added or deleted in yogurt shakes, muffins, etc. > > > > Ellen > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fibromyalia Message-ID: <970912080857_1122510676@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-10 06:53:25 EDT, you write: << is fibromyali and Fibro Myalgia the same disease ? >> There is a disease called "Fibromyalgia". The three terms you use in your posts would appear to be variations on that: Fibromyalia, fibromyali, and Fibro Myalgia. I wonder if you picked those up from people who had trouble spelling/typing Fibromyalgia. Fibromyalgia used to be known as Fibrositis, and is sometimes called "fibromyositis" (according to the medical dictionary). Neither fibromyalia, nor fibromyali are listed in the medical dictionary. Fibro Myalgia is listed in it's parts: Fibro meaning fibrous tissue, and Myalgia meaning pain in the muscles. Taken together, it's Fibromyalgia. On the other hand, these may exist and just not be listed in my medical dictionary (Webster's). I just noticed that ulcerative colitis is listed but crohns is not! I hope this is helpful. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:23:53 -0400 From: "Deborah L. Whitmire" <dlwhitmire@mindspring.com> To: SCD-list <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: food Message-ID: <3419C0F9.2DEDC8AC@mindspring.com> Hello & thanks to all who answered my questions, I have tried several of the book's recipes with varying results. The basic nut muffins & the stir fry came out great. The zucchini pizza crust & the almond honey crisps were awful. Possibly the problem with the pizza was that I used frozen,thawed grated zucchini. I will use fresh next time. The crisps were just a runny, soupy mess that my husband used as an ice cream topping. Any suggestions? I'm wondering if the consistency of home-ground nut flour and bought flour is that big of a diff. I almost cried at the waste of it. Here in NC, almonds are $7.99/lb. and I lost half of what I had in the "bad" recipes. Could this be what went wrong? Thanks, Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:32:28 -0400 From: "Deborah L. Whitmire" <dlwhitmire@mindspring.com> To: SCD-list <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: ruit salad recipe Message-ID: <3419C2FC.83087AB4@mindspring.com> This recipe was in the magazine insert of my Sunday paper. Celebration Fruit Salad 3 large ripe tomatoes,cut into 1/2inch dice 2 ripe avocados,pitted,peeled and cut into 1/2inch dice 1/2c. fresh lime juice 1-1/2c. diced(1/2in.) ripe cantaloupe 1-1/2c. diced " ripe pineapple 1/3c. fresh orange juice 1/3c. chopped fresh mint leaves, plus 6 small mint sprigs for garnish (opt.) 3/4c. plain nonfat yogurt or sour cream 2 T. finely grated orange zest Toss the diced tomatoes & avocados w/the lime juice in a bowl. Add the cantaloupe, pineapple & orange juice; toss again. Just before serving, toss the fruit mixture w/the chopped mint leaves. Mix the yogurt (or sour cream - Anna had a recipe) with the orange zest. Top each portion of salad w/dollop(about 1 T.) of the yogurt-orange sauce and garnish with a fresh sprig of mint. Serves 6. Per serving:230 calories, 27g carbs, 5g protein, 14g fat, no cholesterol. Hope someone enjoys this! Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:53:08 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Subject: burnt cookies Message-ID: <9709122253.AA55384@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi group, Well seems that staying up late has price to it. The last three nights I've stayed up 'till midnight making SCD food. This includes 2 weeks supply of soup, 3-4 weeks of hamburgers, cheese cake, home-made grape jello, yogurt, and last night the date-filled cookies (without the dates). Well, last night we had a visitor until 11pm and I still wanted to make my cookies after since I was taking Friday off from work. After putting in my 3rd batch (2 dozen at a time) of cookies, I went downstairs to watch TV. Twoo hours later I realized that I had fallen asleep and there was a funny smell in the house. I burnt my cookies ! What a waste :( I am sure many of you can relate to this ! Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #37 **********************
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